LegionOfDoom Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 8 hours ago, Warhippy said: You can respectfully disagree. But when you put the first 150 games of the following players side by side they are incredibly similar. keeping in mind how absolutely horrible those Oilers teams were for Yakupov vs how Lafreniere is being played/sheltered in a solid NY team Lafreniere Galchenyuk Yakupov Now, for fun. Look at the first season of Laf vs Podkolzin. While Laf may be tracking upwards slowly. for a 1st overall, the suggestions of value some give him based on his progression are rather insane. You can take 150 game sample however you would like but if one is progression and one is digression they are completely different situations, do I think Laff is worth what a 1st overall pick is worth still… no of course not but he’s still worth a prospect with a high ceiling and great career ahead of him still Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 5 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: JT’s leadership this year has been Mid at best and abysmal at worst. Has the Teams been any better? Moving Bo may be the only decision left in his situation. it is what it is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, SilentSam said: Has the Teams been any better? Moving Bo may be the only decision left in his situation. it is what it is. If they move Bo move Miller too then. He doesn’t fit the age group need then. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coryberg Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 On 1/2/2023 at 9:59 AM, Warhippy said: At this stage of their respective careers Lafreniere is tracking almost exactly the same as Yakupov was but in a better team Or JT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 3 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: If they move Bo move Miller too then. He doesn’t fit the age group need then. I try not to buy into the age argument,. sustained , and being able to sustain a level of play for consecutive years speaks volumes more. Bo is 28 this year. JT 30 . I don’t think it’s really an issue, especially when JT submits a 15 team trade list in July 2027. JT be 34? .. and an 8m contract might seem like a 6 m if the Cap rises effectively enough. There are other contracts that are worse on this team and league for productivity, Vancouver was especially guilty of that with LE. San Jose signing Hertyl to his contract is an anchor. But this is nothing like that . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nave Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 Miller's contract isn't a bad contract, but we have a dreadful cap situation that needs to be rectified. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxVerstappen33 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 3 hours ago, LegionOfDoom said: You can take 150 game sample however you would like but if one is progression and one is digression they are completely different situations, do I think Laff is worth what a 1st overall pick is worth still… no of course not but he’s still worth a prospect with a high ceiling and great career ahead of him still Nah. He's already in high risk territory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 1 hour ago, MaxVerstappen33 said: Nah. He's already in high risk territory if that's the case then podkolzin is a bust? he's not scoring in the nhl and he's not scoring in the ahl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The King of Kings Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 5 hours ago, canuck73_3 said: JT’s leadership this year has been Mid at best and abysmal at worst. Last season, Miller was doing lots of shouting both on the ice and in the dressing room, and many fans here considered it great leadership. I remember there were lots of posts suggesting putting the C on Miller. Those fans want a vocal captain instead of the silent type. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The King of Kings Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 3 hours ago, Nave said: Miller's contract isn't a bad contract, but we have a dreadful cap situation that needs to be rectified. I would love to see the management traded Miller before the trading deadline of last season, but I agree that 7x8M is not a bad contract once the management decided to keep him. The Boeser signing is a worse signing in my opinion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 30 minutes ago, The King of Kings said: Last season, Miller was doing lots of shouting both on the ice and in the dressing room, and many fans here considered it great leadership. I remember there were lots of posts suggesting putting the C on Miller. Those fans want a vocal captain instead of the silent type. I didn’t and Bo>>>>>>Miller then and now 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 4 hours ago, wai_lai416 said: if that's the case then podkolzin is a bust? he's not scoring in the nhl and he's not scoring in the ahl He is trending that way. I think Klimovich might be ahead of him now. Podkolzin could turn out to be a real good 3rd line player as he is good defensively and can kill penalties and can play a physical game. But I am not sure he is going to be a 25 goal scorer. Klimovich has top 6 potential... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 12 hours ago, SilentSam said: At the very begining of JRutherfords tenure he stated something to the effect that “ There needs to be a culture change here” “ and many here aren’t going to like it” He is getting rid of the silent emotionless players .. and for many on these boards it’s the favorite pretty boys whose posters are taped to their ceilings. No more mediocracy. Was Nice to see EP Wack an iPad , pretty sure he’s dropping mitts before the season is over , he is a beauty, with a beast pushing through his skin. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 11 hours ago, canuck73_3 said: Lol Bo is our best Player, what are you talking about mediocrity for? Mediocre Is slamming our stick at teammates then coughing up the puck and gliding back on defence. Not sure how you relentlessly defend JT then label Bo as part of the mediocrity. LMAO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiznak Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 19 hours ago, GB5 said: Rangers are in a bit of a win now mode and Bo would complement that very well. Question being what they are wanting in return for AL. I would think they would be looking for a roster player(s) that can help push them up a tier or two to be a legitimate cup contender. Top 6 scoring isn’t an issue for them. It’s their lack of depth in their bottom 6, that’s the problem. Horvat doesn’t necessarily fix that. I also think Drury would be hesitant to add another rental player for a push, when he saw Copp walk last summer. If they couldn’t sign Copp for 6m, what make people think they could re-sign Horvat? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jyu Posted January 4, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 4, 2023 11 hours ago, KyGuy123 said: Everyone dogging Miller he still has 30 points in 36 games. 8 million is the new 6 in a couple years with the Cap rising (apparently) He has value you just need to take back a contract that has a couple years on it to a contender who needs to compete now. Look at Petey last year and the outrage from fans, players have kinks. People keep brining up Petey's struggle and use it to compare to Miller's struggles this season. Yes, the players have kinks, the lows and the highs. For Petey, the knowledgeable fans did not dump him last season. It was clear that he was recovering from an injury, he missed the training camp, and plenty of other factors (coaching issue, equipment issue, etc), which all accumulated to his timing being off. The most important part is that the effort was always there. He didn't have the points but he skated his a$$ off defensively. Miller just gives up on the play. I can't believe why this is not clear to anyone who is watching. He gives up the puck and instead of pressuring the guy who took the puck form him, he just stops playing. And we all know that he is capable of way more than that. He has shown that he can play the right way. It's the effort level that's been the main problem with Miller this season and there were hints of that last season as well, which was largely masked away by points and hits. With Petey, the effort level was never really an issue last season. And so he was able to work it out. Miller? I'm not sure if he will work it out or worse, if he wants to work it out. When's the last time he laid a hit or bounced a guy to protect the puck and make a play? 3 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said: He is trending that way. I think Klimovich might be ahead of him now. Podkolzin could turn out to be a real good 3rd line player as he is good defensively and can kill penalties and can play a physical game. But I am not sure he is going to be a 25 goal scorer. Klimovich has top 6 potential... i dunno i always thought of podkolzin as a 3rd liner even when drafted a hard worker that can score once in a while. i don't think i ever had expectation of him being a top 6 forward. however his lack of production this year was a bit disappointing i think of him as a 10-15 goal 30-35 point guy. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meh Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 6 hours ago, The King of Kings said: Last season, Miller was doing lots of shouting both on the ice and in the dressing room, and many fans here considered it great leadership. I remember there were lots of posts suggesting putting the C on Miller. Those fans want a vocal captain instead of the silent type. I was one of the fans warning about Miller and was roasted by some leadership "experts". Little do people know there is a difference between leadership and louder-ship. Miller is a cancer, I wouldn't let him near my beer league team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jyu Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 7 hours ago, The King of Kings said: Last season, Miller was doing lots of shouting both on the ice and in the dressing room, and many fans here considered it great leadership. I remember there were lots of posts suggesting putting the C on Miller. Those fans want a vocal captain instead of the silent type. I'm sure I'm the first fan to admit this. Fans don't know $hit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Provost Posted January 4, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 4, 2023 7 hours ago, The King of Kings said: Last season, Miller was doing lots of shouting both on the ice and in the dressing room, and many fans here considered it great leadership. I remember there were lots of posts suggesting putting the C on Miller. Those fans want a vocal captain instead of the silent type. I recall very clearly repeatedly pushing back on the comments that “he had grown up and matured” by responding that you need to see how he reflects when things are going badly. It is easy to be positive when the team is winning and you are having personal success like the last half of last season. We see now he is the same guy who can’t harness his competitive drive and when things go bad, he lashed outward rather than focussing inward. We were spoiled having Linden and the Sedins who led by working harder than everyone else and leading by example. It works better when you hold your teammates accountable. If I were a Miller teammate and he started yelling at me, I would call him a floater for his lazy backchecks and tell him to go pound sand 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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