Cromeslab Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 3 hours ago, nuckin_futz said: Am I the only one who has zero interest in Laff? No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 1 hour ago, dougieL said: Uh...that trade is not happening not unless Rangers management is on weed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cromeslab Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 2 hours ago, D-Money said: Just another winger? So are Matthew Tkachuk & Jason Robertson… The upside is hard to ignore. What upside? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktcy2 Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 No to Laff please. Has anyone ever seen this type of so called turnaround work out for a draft bust? No. We have not seen any example of this. What in the world makes you think he can turn things around? If he is that good the rangers would’ve made it work 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 4 hours ago, Odd. said: Lafreniere is a 40 point 15-20 goal scorer while playing with guys like Goodrow, Chytil, Kravtsov, Motte, Blais, and other plethora of depth guys. He got 0 PP time, and was behind Kreider and Panarin on the left side. Doesn’t turn 22 until October, guy should get plenty of opportunities in the top 6 beside Pettersson or Miller. He’s a good get. This exactly. Stick him with Miller and Mikheyev for the year and I could almost guarantee he’ll make the Rangers hate themselves for making that trade. Another thing to consider here is the Rangers are historically bad at developing forwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 6 hours ago, Chicken. said: Laff for Boes one for one ? Don't mind if we do... both could use a change of scenery. but i get the sense that we'd have to add, or take on salary for Brock. is Laff younger and cheaper? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 8 minutes ago, Pears said: This exactly. Stick him with Miller and Mikheyev for the year and I could almost guarantee he’ll make the Rangers hate themselves for making that trade. Another thing to consider here is the Rangers are historically bad at developing forwards. Rangers used to buy their players and wins. They've almost never developed their players. It's like the Lakers now. All they do is buy superstars, and create a super team. I'd be down for a Brock for Laff swap. But almost certainly we're adding or taking on salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 5 hours ago, canucklehead44 said: All of these players kinda suck. Laf is a young former 1OA, if there's a player to gamble on it's a player like that His production this past season was respectable, it's not farfetched to believe that he'd have more to give The question is what would the cost be and how would a trade work 4 hours ago, BPA said: Nope. According to Burke, all Canadian teams are on the NTC. Hard to compete with low tax states. Yup, NTC's are definitely a stumbling block It'd be one thing if we were a contender but we're not even a surefire playoff team 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 6 hours ago, ktcy2 said: No to Laff please. Has anyone ever seen this type of so called turnaround work out for a draft bust? No. We have not seen any example of this. What in the world makes you think he can turn things around? If he is that good the rangers would’ve made it work The NHL is full of guys who were disappointing to their first team, who took their game to new levels after getting traded: Sam Bennett Kevin Fiala Tage Thompson Pavel Zacha Jared McCann Valeri Nichushkin Philipp Danault Kyle Turris Andre Burakovsky Chandler Stephenson Tyler Seguin Kyle Palmieri …Markus Naslund 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 Love all the guy that’s calling laf a bust. Sure he hasn’t produce the way he was expected to.. but it’s not like he was given the opportunity either. He’s behind panarin and Kreider on the depth chart.. unrealistic expectation he can be ahead of them at this point of his career panarin a proven superstar and kreider a proven goal scorer and then trying to convert him into the off wing lol. He has the skill to be a star but he doesn’t have the skill to create by himself he needs high skill players to play with.. not sure if kakko goodrow chytil fits that categor or compliments his skill set. As a 3rd liner which is what he’s playing for the rangers.. 40points? I dunno what more you can ask for from a kid playing in the 3rd line role with limited offensive opportunity. We’d be laughing if any of our 3rd line role players even sniff 40 points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 As usual fans are ignoring the org need on the d-side and center and grasping at the home run. Not going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kloubek Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 I think it is FAR too early to say he's a bust. In fact, there appears to be reasonable progression in his numbers over the last two years, and he may well be poised for a breakout season. I would absolutely be ok with management taking the chance, and if it lowers our cap hit at the same time, that's a net positive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 12 hours ago, Odd. said: Lafreniere is a 40 point 15-20 goal scorer while playing with guys like Goodrow, Chytil, Kravtsov, Motte, Blais, and other plethora of depth guys. He got 0 PP time, and was behind Kreider and Panarin on the left side. Doesn’t turn 22 until October, guy should get plenty of opportunities in the top 6 beside Pettersson or Miller. He’s a good get. Natural Stat Trick has the time on ice with teammates - it's compiled from the NHL's official game stats. You can find it under their 'player index'. At 5v5 his most common linemates were Chytil (663 minutes) and Kakko (666 minutes) followed by Trochek (248 minutes) and Panarin (170 minutes), Zibanejad and Goodrow follow with 100 minutes. He was barely on the ice with Motte (18 min), Kravtsov (15 min) or Blais (8 min). He had more PP minutes than he did playing with Goodrow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithers joe Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 13 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: I still think our best deal this summer is with NY Rangers. They are desperate to win and have assets we can use. To Vancouver: 2023 23OA pick Alexis Lafreniere Braden Schneider Barclay Goodrow To NY Rangers: 2023 11OA pick Brock Boeser Ethan Bear Nils Hoglander Trade Beauvillier to Chicago, sign Barbashev, Gavrikov and Schenn and we are good to go... Kuzmenko Pettersson Mikheyev Lafreniere Miller Garland Barbashev Goodrow Podkolzin Joshua Aman Reaves PDG Hughes Schneider Gavrikov Hronek OEL Myers Hirose Schenn Demko Martin Pearson/Poolman LTIR $86.5 million baby... nice dream. 4 new forwards and 3 new defensemen. good luck lad. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 14 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: I still think our best deal this summer is with NY Rangers. They are desperate to win and have assets we can use. To Vancouver: 2023 23OA pick Alexis Lafreniere Braden Schneider Barclay Goodrow To NY Rangers: 2023 11OA pick Brock Boeser Ethan Bear Nils Hoglander Trade Beauvillier to Chicago, sign Barbashev, Gavrikov and Schenn and we are good to go... Kuzmenko Pettersson Mikheyev Lafreniere Miller Garland Barbashev Goodrow Podkolzin Joshua Aman Reaves PDG Hughes Schneider Gavrikov Hronek OEL Myers Hirose Schenn Demko Martin Pearson/Poolman LTIR $86.5 million baby... How did Reaves make it on to the fourth line? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 13 hours ago, shiznak said: Imagine being the Rangers and trading 2 young assets for a draft pick who wouldn’t make any immediate impact, a streaky player who has regressed since his second season, a RFA 4th-5th defensemen, and a prospect who hasn’t shown signs of any improvement. Just to get rid of Goodrow and take on 2m+ of cap. 13 hours ago, dougieL said: Uh...that trade is not happening In fairness, don't forget about NYR moving from 23OA to 11OA. That would normally be a cost of 23OA, a 2nd round pick, and possibly a 3rd or 4th round pick to move up 12 spots in the 1st round and almost into Top 10 territory in this deep draft. So really, it'd be like saying: To VAN 23OA 2nd round pick 3rd round pick To NYR 11OA So then... To VAN Lafreniere To NYR Boeser 2nd round pick and finally... To VAN Schneider Goodrow To NYR Hoglander Bear 3rd Not QUITE as lopsided when you look at it like that... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 2 hours ago, PhillipBlunt said: How did Reaves make it on to the fourth line? He worked hard and made the team out of training camp… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilduce39 Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 If we do the trade down with Chicago maybe that 19th could go towards Laff. Plus, say, Hoglander? No idea why Chicago wouldn’t just move the 11th for him in that case, though. Laffy, cap space and a high 2nd wouldn’t be the worst for the 11th and Hoggy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 46 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: He worked hard and made the team out of training camp… PTO, eh? I hear Lucic will skate for one of those two. Imagine him and Reaves as fourth line thugs centered by Joshua. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiznak Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 3 hours ago, HKSR said: In fairness, don't forget about NYR moving from 23OA to 11OA. That would normally be a cost of 23OA, a 2nd round pick, and possibly a 3rd or 4th round pick to move up 12 spots in the 1st round and almost into Top 10 territory in this deep draft. So really, it'd be like saying: To VAN 23OA 2nd round pick 3rd round pick To NYR 11OA So then... To VAN Lafreniere To NYR Boeser 2nd round pick and finally... To VAN Schneider Goodrow To NYR Hoglander Bear 3rd Not QUITE as lopsided when you look at it like that... Who cares if they move up 12 draft spots. The Rangers are trying to win NOW. Whoever they pick at 11th wouldn’t come in and help them in anyway. Not to mention adding Boeser mean they are add another 2m+ in cap, plus they still need to re-sign Bear. They’re actually bring in upwards of 5m in cap. Just to get rid of Goodrow and move up 12 spots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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