(Rumour) 4 teams interested in J.T. Miller

[Alflives]

2 minutes ago, fanofvan said:

What has given anyone the impression that Kotkaniemi is a 2nd line player at this point?  Kravtsov is the same.

If we were to trade Miller for JK, then he’s our second line centre. Bigger guy, who has skill and plays with some nasty. 

Kravtsov is either playing in a scoring top nine role (and producing) or he’s not in the league. 

[Coconuts]

16 minutes ago, 48MPHSlapShot said:

Seems like Carolina would be a good trade partner. Is there any actual smoke to this or are we just speculating? Is there any actual indication that we're shopping Miller or even seriously entertaining offers? 

It's speculation based on news, if Carolina is out on Meier it's more than likely they'll be exploring other options. If I'm not mistaken Carolina's indicated a willingness to go for it as of late. 

 

Nobody really knows what's going on in Canucks land, they've gotten better at stopping leaks as of late. But hey, that's what this forum is for in part, speculation. 

 

At the end of the day folks are either speculating he'll stay or go, but it's speculation all the same until we know for sure. 

Edited February 26, 2023 by Coconuts

[MeanSeanBean]

17 minutes ago, 48MPHSlapShot said:

Seems like Carolina would be a good trade partner. Is there any actual smoke to this or are we just speculating? Is there any actual indication that we're shopping Miller or even seriously entertaining offers? 

No, but it's fun to talk about.

[JeremyCuddles]

20 minutes ago, 48MPHSlapShot said:

Seems like Carolina would be a good trade partner. Is there any actual smoke to this or are we just speculating? Is there any actual indication that we're shopping Miller or even seriously entertaining offers? 

It's all speculation. All we really have is Friedman saying "He thinks teams have been asking about Miller." Which obviously is pure speculation, and to be fair we are ass why wouldn't teams be asking about him and anyone else of value? Also we are going off the idea that management has said pretty much everyone is open to being moved except Petey and Hughes. As well as them saying the team needs major surgery. We don't have too many players that can inject a bunch of assets into the team other than Hughes and Petey. So Miller is an obvious talking point for us.

[mll]

24 minutes ago, Coconuts said:

I recall reading that, yeah. But if they're out on Meier they'll need to look elsewhere. I could see them being open to a player they know they'd be getting longevity out of. 

 

They could contend if they were to add some more scoring punch, they're a great team defensively and they put up a lot of shots. Miller would certainly help their 24th ranked powerplay. 

Not when the deal starts in the late 20s though.  Waddell says if you give guys in their late 20s a 6-7 year deal you end not getting what you paid for.  It's why Niederreiter, Trocheck were let go.  Their AGM Tulsky did quite a bit of work on ageing curves before being hired by Carolina.  Carolina trying to have an endless window and avoid committing to players who are at risk of falling off a cliff before their deals are up.  

[Coconuts]

3 minutes ago, mll said:

Not when the deal starts in the late 20s though.  Waddell says if you give guys in their late 20s a 6-7 year deal you end not getting what you paid for.  It's why Niederreiter, Trocheck were let go.  Their AGM Tulsky did quite a bit of work on ageing curves before being hired by Carolina.  Carolina trying to have an endless window and avoid committing to players who are at risk of falling off a cliff before their deals are up.  

Yes, I've heard this before. Not entirely sold on their being completely inflexible regarding older players though, we'll see. Easier said than done to keep your roster forever young when chasing a cup. 

 

Also depends on who else is available and what the market is like. 

Edited February 26, 2023 by Coconuts

[Alflives]

1 minute ago, mll said:

Not when the deal starts in the late 20s though.  Waddell says if you give guys in their late 20s a 6-7 year deal you end not getting what you paid for.  It's why Niederreiter, Trocheck were let go.  Their AGM Tulsky did quite a bit of work on ageing curves before being hired by Carolina.  Carolina trying to have an endless window and avoid committing to players who are at risk of falling off a cliff before their deals are up.  

True. But their owner came out and said this year they are going to be serious buyers, right? He might be pushing for a big move, and not so concerned about five years down the road. 

[stawns]

32 minutes ago, 48MPHSlapShot said:

Seems like Carolina would be a good trade partner. Is there any actual smoke to this or are we just speculating? Is there any actual indication that we're shopping Miller or even seriously entertaining offers? 

Speculating based on teams interested in him.

[rekker]

17 minutes ago, Alflives said:

we were to trade Miller for JK, then he’s our second line centre.

If JK was a capable second line center, why would Carolina trade him for a more expensive, older JT? JK is an overpaid, underachieving player thus far and I want don't want him in the Canucks future plans. 

Edited February 26, 2023 by rekker

[fanofvan]

17 minutes ago, Alflives said:

If we were to trade Miller for JK, then he’s our second line centre. Bigger guy, who has skill and plays with some nasty. 

Kravtsov is either playing in a scoring top nine role (and producing) or he’s not in the league. 

Have you seen Kotkaniemi play?  Plays with nasty??

[stawns]

Just now, rekker said:

If JK was a capable second line center, why would Carolina trade him for a more expensive, older JT? JK is an overpaid, underachieving player thus far. 

Because he's buried behind some great players there, but still putting up good numbers for very limited mins.

[Coconuts]

Meier's off to the Devils, can officially take that off the table now.

 

C'mon Carolina, pivot. 

[Kobayashi Maru]

29 minutes ago, fanofvan said:

What has given anyone the impression that Kotkaniemi is a 2nd line player at this point?  Kravtsov is the same.

He has the potential, and between him, Raty and our 1st this year (Likely a C) someone will emerge. Kotkaniemi has a floor as a 3C which his contract will match in a few years anyways.  
 

Kravtsov is no sure thing but we have a thousand wingers so we have options there.  Zero risk move bringing him in, but he also came from NYR where they are focused on winning the cup not development.

[Kobayashi Maru]

18 minutes ago, Coconuts said:

Meier's off to the Devils, can officially take that off the table now.

 

C'mon Carolina, pivot. 

[BertaNuck]

19 minutes ago, Kobayashi Maru said:

[stawns]

48 minutes ago, BertaNuck said:

[MeanSeanBean]

1 hour ago, fanofvan said:

Have you seen Kotkaniemi play?  Plays with nasty??

He does against Petey.

[Crabcakes]

A 30 year old on a long term contract is way off the Canes strategy.  The only players they have for any kind of term are 22.  Svech and Kok

[MeanSeanBean]

1 minute ago, Crabcakes said:

A 30 year old on a long term contract is way off the Canes strategy.  The only players they have for any kind of term are 22.  Svech and Kok

True, but they have also generally under preformed in the playoffs, which may be part of the reason why they went and picked up some veteran talent. It does seem like it's not their MO, but I could also see it making a ton of sense for them. Here's hoping.

[Crabcakes]

1 minute ago, MeanSeanBean said:

True, but they have also generally under preformed in the playoffs, which may be part of the reason why they went and picked up some veteran talent. It does seem like it's not their MO, but I could also see it making a ton of sense for them. Here's hoping.

You never know.  Miller seems unlikely.  I wouldn't have expected them to trade for 37 year old Burns either but they did.  2 more years on his contract.