Coconuts Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 6 minutes ago, J-23 said: Interesting. The only team I can think of now is the Canes though. Penguins would be an easy fit too. I proposed this back in December. To Pittsburgh JT Miller with 50% retained on the last year of his current contract, he'd come in at a 2.65M for the Penguins. To Vancouver 2023 or 2024 1st round pick Brock McGinn who carries a 2.75M cap hit this season and for the next two seasons (hell, Pittsburgh could retain 100k to make it a perfect fit if it came down to it) 5.25M in open cap space at the end of the season thanks to Miller's contract being off the books Pittsburgh likely wants to squeeze as much as they can out of this Crosby, Malkin, and Letang trio and Miller could give them some more scoring punch up front. Miller's 8M extension is easily taken care of due to McGinn's being shipped out and Zucker's 5.5M cap hit coming off the books at the end of the season, this pays Miller with 250k to spare. Vancouver gets cap flex, a 1st round pick to either use or flip to try and address their D, and a serviceable bottom six forward who comes off the books sooner than later if they wish to reallocate his 2.75M elsewhere. Might be easier to just trade for Zucker but he's got a 10 team NTC and I just don't see him wanting to come here. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 1 minute ago, DeNiro said: Vegas and Colorado. Stone and Johnson are on LTIR. If he were a rental, maybe. Minny? If you took Greenway and Dumba, could you pry a 1st and Wallstedt out of there too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Provost Posted February 27, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted February 27, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Doxm said: Things are heating up. You got some of them Jeannot type picks? Edited February 27, 2023 by Provost 3 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngryElf Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 1 minute ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: Okay now that's just mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 18 minutes ago, ktcy2 said: Let’s just keep JT. At worst he is a 60-70 point guy. Whatever. The problem we have are the OELs Boesers, and Myers, not JT. You don't getting building pieces for "problems". People need to stop pretending this roster is a small tweak or two from contending. 7 minutes ago, stawns said: Why move Myers now? Why not wait until next tdl and actually get something for him? It's not like they're competing for a Cup next season Opportunity cost. If we can move most of his cap now/this summer, it's opens up more options to weaponize that cap space, acquire other solid players etc that are worth as much or more than the "extra" he might be worth next TDL. 3 minutes ago, stawns said: Who in the west has the cap space? Vegas and Colorado 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, Coconuts said: Penguins would be an easy fit too. I proposed this back in December. To Pittsburgh JT Miller with 50% retained on the last year of his current contract, he'd come in at a 2.65M for the Penguins. To Vancouver 2023 or 2024 1st round pick Brock McGinn who carries a 2.75M cap hit this season and for the next two seasons (hell, Pittsburgh could retain 100k to make it a perfect fit if it came down to it) 5.25M in open cap space at the end of the season thanks to Miller's contract being off the books Pittsburgh likely wants to squeeze as much as they can out of this Crosby, Malkin, and Letang trio and Miller could give them some more scoring punch up front. Miller's 8M extension is easily taken care of due to McGinn's being shipped out and Zucker's 5.5M cap hit coming off the books at the end of the season, this pays Miller with 250k to spare. Vancouver gets cap flex, a 1st round pick to either use or flip to try and address their D, and a serviceable bottom six forward who comes off the books sooner than later if they wish to reallocate his 2.75M elsewhere. Might be easier to just trade for Zucker but he's got a 10 team NTC and I just don't see him wanting to come here. So miller for a 1st? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, stawns said: If he were a rental, maybe. Minny? If you took Greenway and Dumba, could you pry a 1st and Wallstedt out of there too? Vegas has never worried about the cap. A team will help them by taking Lehner and another cap dump to fit in Miller. Colorado has cap coming off the books and desperately needs a 2nd line center. Newhook+ makes sense for both sides. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 1 minute ago, aGENT said: You don't getting building pieces for "problems". People need to stop pretending this roster is a small tweak or two from contending. Opportunity cost. If we can move most of his cap now/this summer, it's opens up more options to weaponize that cap space, acquire other solid players etc that are worth as much or more than the "extra" he might be worth next TDL. Vegas and Colorado Both teams don't actually have any cap space at all, just ltir.......the Canucks would be bringing back significant salary there don't you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, stawns said: So miller for a 1st? + Some of Pickering, Blomqvist, Poulin, the aforementioned McGinn... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, stawns said: So miller for a 1st? And McGinn. That was my proposal then, I'm open to revisiting it.. But no, I was considering the cap space an asset in itself. Had a fair bit of back and forth regarding the proposal and Pittsburgh's cap outlook. Edited February 27, 2023 by Coconuts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 1 minute ago, DeNiro said: Vegas has never worried about the cap. A team will help them by taking Lehner and another cap dump to fit in Miller. Colorado has cap coming off the books and desperately needs a 2nd line center. Newhook+ makes sense for both sides. I'd rather have Kotkaniemi than Newhook 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 3 minutes ago, stawns said: So miller for a 1st? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 Just now, Coconuts said: That was my proposal then, I'm open to revisiting it.. But no, I was considering the cap space an asset in itself. Had a fair bit of back and forth regarding the proposal and Pittsburgh's cap outlook. I don't disagree, but they need assets as well, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 1 minute ago, stawns said: Both teams don't actually have any cap space at all, just ltir.......the Canucks would be bringing back significant salary there don't you think? Some, sure. But as DeNiro mentioned, they'll have ways of dumping other salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Elias Pettersson Posted February 27, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted February 27, 2023 27 minutes ago, Doxm said: Things are heating up. 5 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-23 Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 10 minutes ago, Coconuts said: Penguins would be an easy fit too. I proposed this back in December. To Pittsburgh JT Miller with 50% retained on the last year of his current contract, he'd come in at a 2.65M for the Penguins. To Vancouver 2023 or 2024 1st round pick Brock McGinn who carries a 2.75M cap hit this season and for the next two seasons (hell, Pittsburgh could retain 100k to make it a perfect fit if it came down to it) 5.25M in open cap space at the end of the season thanks to Miller's contract being off the books Pittsburgh likely wants to squeeze as much as they can out of this Crosby, Malkin, and Letang trio and Miller could give them some more scoring punch up front. Miller's 8M extension is easily taken care of due to McGinn's being shipped out and Zucker's 5.5M cap hit coming off the books at the end of the season, this pays Miller with 250k to spare. Vancouver gets cap flex, a 1st round pick to either use or flip to try and address their D, and a serviceable bottom six forward who comes off the books sooner than later if they wish to reallocate his 2.75M elsewhere. Might be easier to just trade for Zucker but he's got a 10 team NTC and I just don't see him wanting to come here. As long as it’s for a 1st++ I don’t care. Unless it’s Vegas then has to be an overpay, divisional matchup. I don’t see Miller as a cap dump like some others do so I expect a good return back. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngryElf Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 I know Shayna's a writer for TheAthletic, but does she have actual ties to the team? Is there any reason we should believe this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, stawns said: I don't disagree, but they need assets as well, imo. I wouldn't say no to more but I wouldn't say no to a 1st and McGinn either. I'm open to taking Pickering back instead. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 Shayna gonna get this thread to 300 pages by Friday... Stawns and aGent gonna have this thread opened while they are sleeping looking for updates... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 1 minute ago, J-23 said: As long as it’s for a 1st++ I don’t care. Unless it’s Vegas then has to be an overpay, divisional matchup. I don’t see Miller as a cap dump like some others do so I expect a good return back. If Pittsburgh really wants to go for it I could see them being open to more, management has done well with trades of late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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