Alflives Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 ONe less contract. Leaves room in a trade to get back extra bodies. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 56 minutes ago, stawns said: It makes abby worse though and that matters for the kids 56 minutes ago, DeNiro said: I’m not saying call him up to the big club. Im saying he’ll get more prime minutes in Abbotsford. Hes already showing he’s ready. What stawns said. The better the team is in Abby, the better the environment for which our prospects develop. Who cares if Karlsson is ready to take on a bit more. It would be massively beneficial if Pederson was there to take any pressure off of Karlsson to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curmudgeon Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 Some time ago I did some digging to try and answer the question, "Do waiver wire pickups make a difference?" As of today, January 28th, there are 27 players on NHL rosters who were acquired off the waiver wire. Almost all of them are bottom end players. The answer to my question seems to be "not much at all". Have a look. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 40 minutes ago, stawns said: I'm looking at it from Abby's perspective. It's poor management to lose an impact player, even if it is in the AHL. Exactly. The piss poor attitude of "oh well, he's a dime a dozen and can be replaced" is why our prospects have such a crappy track record of being developed in the system. If our development program was better, we'd probably see a bit more come out of our later rounds. Multiple GMs and multiple scouts over a decade and we haven't produced much, if anything, outside of the 1st or 2nd rounds. Maybe it's time we look at the problem being development rather than scouting. Losing guys like this doesn't hurt the big club, but it sure as hell hurts our farm team. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostsOf1994 Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 1 hour ago, N7Nucks said: 7 injuries? I assume we have a chance at getting Pederson back depending on how long those folks are injured and that one chap is suspended. Yessir, Werenski(done for the year), Vorachek(may be forced to retire) Nyquist, Bean, Danforth, Chinakhov, Meyer with Texier suspended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 5 minutes ago, HKSR said: Exactly. The piss poor attitude of "oh well, he's a dime a dozen and can be replaced" is why our prospects have such a crappy track record of being developed in the system. If our development program was better, we'd probably see a bit more come out of our later rounds. Multiple GMs and multiple scouts over a decade and we haven't produced much, if anything, outside of the 1st or 2nd rounds. Maybe it's time we look at the problem being development rather than scouting. Losing guys like this doesn't hurt the big club, but it sure as hell hurts our farm team. I agree and it was so unnecessary as it's not like he was playing regularly in Van. All they had to do was send him down on day 29 and all would be fine. This is a really frustrating management group because I can't pin them down. They either make great moves (Kuz, Joshua, Mik) or horribly stupid moves (Pedersen, Miller, Boes, BB). 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 10 minutes ago, HKSR said: What stawns said. The better the team is in Abby, the better the environment for which our prospects develop. Who cares if Karlsson is ready to take on a bit more. It would be massively beneficial if Pederson was there to take any pressure off of Karlsson to begin with. Except they’ve been doing really well without him so it’s not an issue. That team can succeed with the pieces they have. And like I said they’ll likely get a big boost through trade acquisitions and NCAA signings. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 8 minutes ago, HKSR said: Exactly. The piss poor attitude of "oh well, he's a dime a dozen and can be replaced" is why our prospects have such a crappy track record of being developed in the system. If our development program was better, we'd probably see a bit more come out of our later rounds. Multiple GMs and multiple scouts over a decade and we haven't produced much, if anything, outside of the 1st or 2nd rounds. Maybe it's time we look at the problem being development rather than scouting. Losing guys like this doesn't hurt the big club, but it sure as hell hurts our farm team. Drafting is more to blame than development. How often have we actually had legit prospects vs long shots over the years. Good things are happening in Abby, it’s not gonna change cause we lose one player. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Except they’ve been doing really well without him so it’s not an issue. That team can succeed with the pieces they have. And like I said they’ll likely get a big boost through trade acquisitions and NCAA signings. they've been doing well, but not winning much lately, mostly because they are playing high calibre teams. But they've taken both goalies, Dries, Lockwood, Pedersen, DiG (who is back), eventually that's going to take it's toll on the team and the young players if they start sliding. Edited January 28, 2023 by stawns 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, stawns said: But he was a difference maker in Abby and a huge part in turning their season around and providing a good opportunity for the young guys to build confidence by winning. I'm not saying Abby isn't going to still be good, but it's a waste of a good player due to mismanagement Lane Pederson hasn't played in Abby in over a month. Since that time, we have sent down Podkolzin, Hoglander and Aman. Abby is alot stronger now than when Pederson was on the team. Also, Pederson needed to clear waivers to go back down. He didn't, so it's all a moot point... Edited January 28, 2023 by Elias Pettersson 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 6 minutes ago, stawns said: they've been doing well, but not winning much lately, mostly because they are playing high calibre teams. But they've taken both goalies, Dries, Lockwood, Pedersen, DiG (who is back), eventually that's going to take it's toll on the team and the young players if they start sliding. They’ll get all those players back plus new ones. If the goal is development then having our prospects play a bigger role is a good thing. The worst thing we did before with Utica is bury prospects in place of AHL vets. We don’t wanna go back down that road. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarnBurner Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 1 hour ago, DeNiro said: Or maybe one of our prospects steps up an fills the void. Im not gonna lose sleep over it. True. But it's still a waste of a good player who showed he can play well and be a solid contributor, which would have only strengthened our Abby team. As mentioned, if someone was paying attention, he could have been back on the farm prior to risk losing him on the waiver wires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad_BOI_pete Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 management knew very well pederson could be taken... they did not care much if he was taken.... the risk was lose him and, oh well or get some games in abbotsford... PA coverstation with JR went something like this... PA: Pederson was taken by Columbus. JR: oh well, Thanks for letting me know Patrick. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 14 minutes ago, DeNiro said: They’ll get all those players back plus new ones. If the goal is development then having our prospects play a bigger role is a good thing. The worst thing we did before with Utica is bury prospects in place of AHL vets. We don’t wanna go back down that road. Being part of a winning culture is more like important to development than being the go to guy and failing Again, it's not the end of the world, but I don't think Abby can sustain their winning ways by losing both goalies, Pedersen and Lockwood. It was an unnecessary mistake that will hurt the org. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 8 minutes ago, Bad_BOI_pete said: management knew very well pederson could be taken... they did not care much if he was taken.... the risk was lose him and, oh well or get some games in abbotsford... PA coverstation with JR went something like this... PA: Pederson was taken by Columbus. JR: oh well, Thanks for letting me know Patrick. Do you watch many Abby games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad_BOI_pete Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 6 minutes ago, BarnBurner said: True. But it's still a waste of a good player who showed he can play well and be a solid contributor, which would have only strengthened our Abby team. As mentioned, if someone was paying attention, he could have been back on the farm prior to risk losing him on the waiver wires. right.... cause management plays hoops around AHL career players because they are afraid they might get claimed... management maybe wanted to reward him his NHL salary .. you ever think of that? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad_BOI_pete Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, stawns said: Do you watch many Abby games? oh.... because that matters? Oh no our best scorer is gone. guess our other prospects will get more playing time, shucks.... You would think this guy was like Jason Krog... every AHL Team has a Pederson he is a first line player and not a superstar in the league. Im glad this guy got his extra 2 days of 3x his ahl salary.... this is the message you send your AHL squad play well and get paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BertaNuck Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 2 hours ago, dontaylorforprez said: Was he not playing last night? What am I smoking? Was I seeing things? Am I alive right now? Can someone confirm? You’re alive inside a simulation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 57 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Drafting is more to blame than development. How often have we actually had legit prospects vs long shots over the years. Good things are happening in Abby, it’s not gonna change cause we lose one player. The number of highly touted prospects with ruined development is way more than it should be. Think about all the players that looked like legit talents when drafted throughout all the rounds... then the Canucks get their hands on them and the rest is history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 10 minutes ago, Bad_BOI_pete said: oh.... because that matters? Oh no our best scorer is gone. guess our other prospects will get more playing time, shucks.... You would think this guy was like Jason Krog... every AHL Team has a Pederson he is a first line player and not a superstar in the league. Im glad this guy got his extra 2 days of 3x his ahl salary.... this is the message you send your AHL squad play well and get paid. 18 goals in 19 games with Abby. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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