stawns Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 (edited) It feels like when Kramer gets scalded by the coffee and he and Jackie Fields go to the company for a settlement and the company is going to give Kramer $50k, but leads with "we'll give you free coffee for life" and Kramer jumps up and yells "DEAL". PA is Kramer Edited January 31, 2023 by stawns 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 11 minutes ago, Smashian Kassian said: I think Allvin likes Beauvillier. Mentioned multiple times he's seen him in the playoffs (at his best). If he can score at a 20 goal pace next year he could be an asset at the deadline. And in the meanwhile maybe he can help the PK. This is alot closer to taking on a year of something like Garland than someone like Eriksson or Roussel. What leads you to believe AB is going to get anywhere near 20 goals? Lou Lam has been trying to get rid of that contract for awhile now and couldn't find a sucker, until now. The deeper you look, the more you can see how Lou played PA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Man Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 16 minutes ago, BPA said: This Will Smith??? I mean, we could always use more toughness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 9 minutes ago, hammertime said: I dunno man I think we tend to over value our guys like Miller last year. Bo is a 60 pt guy with intangibles he's about to get paid like a ppg guy. Which diminishes his value. The question will be can he keep up this pace or does he crash back to earth once pen hits paper. Bo is the best chip on the market this year. They could have and should have got a better deal........and I love Raty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 7 minutes ago, stawns said: What leads you to believe AB is going to get anywhere near 20 goals? Lou Lam has been trying to get rid of that contract for awhile now and couldn't find a sucker, until now. The deeper you look, the more you can see how Lou played PA. He's scored at a 20+ pace 3 times (once hitting 20) and a 25 goal pace in the playoffs. He's got ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 16 minutes ago, hammertime said: I dunno man I think we tend to over value our guys like Miller last year. Bo is a 60 pt guy with intangibles he's about to get paid like a ppg guy. Which diminishes his value. The question will be can he keep up this pace or does he crash back to earth once pen hits paper. Can Bo stay a ppg player? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 6 minutes ago, stawns said: Bo is the best chip on the market this year. They could have and should have got a better deal........and I love Raty Meier is the best player on the market this year. Let’s see what he goes for before we claim we should have got a better deal. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jyu Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 28 minutes ago, stawns said: I get the protection.........then don't take back a cap dump winger and don't retain and relinquish your ability to use cap space at the tdl, draft etc. When you dig into this trade, Lou really pulled one over on PA, imo. Because Beauvillier and his 4 mil cap dump is going to make it impossible for us to contend and win the cup next season. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jyu Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, Alflives said: Can Bo stay a ppg player? He won't be PPG from here on out. My guess is that Bo will re-sign with the Islanders shortly for 8 years x 8 mil. Then he will go back to the player he was; taking less risk and play more conservatively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BavarianCanuck Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 11 minutes ago, stawns said: Bo is the best chip on the market this year. They could have and should have got a better deal........and I love Raty For a rental like Horvat is thats a very solid return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 Just now, BavarianCanuck said: For a rental like Horvat is thats a very solid return. Disagree, completely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 30 minutes ago, stawns said: I get the protection.........then don't take back a cap dump winger and don't retain and relinquish your ability to use cap space at the tdl, draft etc. When you dig into this trade, Lou really pulled one over on PA, imo. AB is a proven playoff guy on a good cap allocation. Those guys return a second (at least) as coming UFAs at TDLs. So in 2024 AB gets us a second at the TDL. And until then he’s a solid middle six guy who plays PK, hounds pucks, and scores 15-25 goals. Add to that Raty and (very likely) a top 5 pick in 2024 and that’s a fabulous return for a 60 point centre who struggles defensively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 4 minutes ago, jyu said: Because Beauvillier and his 4 mil cap dump is going to make it impossible for us to contend and win the cup next season. It's going to prevent them from using cap space as a tool to get young players and/or picks at the tdl and draft, absolutely. Horvat is on an expiring contract, taking back that much cap for another season and retaining 25% on Horvat this year is bad and does nothing to provide any of the cap flexibility everyone wants Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, stawns said: Bo is the best chip on the market this year. They could have and should have got a better deal........and I love Raty I think I've been pretty staunchly anti JR/PA since the get go when most were so high that JB was gone I was listening to their 1st pressers and thinking welll $#!t these 2 are worse. I will say I think this is probably the best deal we were going to get. Carlo's head is mushy Lysell is a scoop more Lekkerimaki and Bos 1st is prob 32oa with Bo As much as I have been one of the more vocal anti JR posters I think last year they just wanted to kick the can down the road and we are now seeing that this isn't a re tool we are in a rebuild. More dominoes will fall this is just the beginning. I don't think they expected Brock to crap the bed but maybe it's for the best because his bad contract has precipitated this. I still think Miller is their guy and Tocc is going to try to get his game back on track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 7 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Meier is the best player on the market this year. Let’s see what he goes for before we claim we should have got a better deal. Disagree, Horvat is better than Meier, imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 7 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Meier is the best player on the market this year. Let’s see what he goes for before we claim we should have got a better deal. And ROR and Toews. Rentals too and proven Cup winning defensively sound centres. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EB43 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 3 hours ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: Dude, have a Snickers. More like a nap, someone stayed up past their bedtime.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 Just now, hammertime said: I think I've been pretty staunchly anti JR/PA since the get go when most were so high that JB was gone I was listening to their 1st pressers and thinking welll $#!t these 2 are worse. I will say I think this is probably the best deal we were going to get. Carlo's head is mushy Lysell is a scoop more Lekkerimaki and Bos 1st is prob 32oa with Bo As much as I have been one of the more vocal anti JR posters I think last year they just wanted to kick the can down the road and we are now seeing that this isn't a re tool we are in a rebuild. More dominoes will fall this is just the beginning. I don't think they expected Brock to crap the bed but maybe it's for the best because his bad contract has precipitated this. I still think Miller is their guy and Tocc is going to try to get his game back on track. If it's a rebuild, why take back cap on an expiring deal "and" retain on Horvat this year? No one can tell me that they couldn't have done better than that I'd far, far rather just have Raty and the protected first and use the cap space at the tdl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 1 minute ago, stawns said: Disagree, Horvat is better than Meier, imo Similar stats but Meier is a year younger and an RFA. Way less risk for the acquiring team. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 If this pick ends up a number 14, 15 pick this year, is that not one of the highest picks traded for a pure rental in recent memory? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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