The Lock Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 (edited) 40 minutes ago, FaninMex said: Point 3 bolded: Bear plays on Hughes line and is a +5, yet you say Hughes does not help him. Could you explain how he isn't? I do not cherry-pick bad plays. I stated the most recent. Bear is bad but nowhere near as bad as Stillman. Bear is a 6-7 NHL d-man. As to point 1. Kuzmenko meet Pettersson. You will play with him if you sign. Point 2. Are you saying that we should not have signed a D-man? Not sure what to say there. Point 4. That was what most "insiders" were saying was on the table. For Miller, it would have looked something like that. Point 5. Washington lost again with OVI in the line-up Point 6. They got more wingers without getting rid of any which is why we could not sign a D man. By not making trades last year, they helped create the problem we are in now. JR stated that we needed some work and that he would start 6 months after. This is his mess now. Also, there is always a trade. Teams are making trades this year, Boeser could have been traded last year. When a management team takes over with statements that we know the team needs RHD and some tweaks and then gets more players at positions that there was no need, the team is now on them. It is no longer Benning's mess. I would not be surprised if nothing happens with Schenn and Boeser. Back on topic. OEL is not the problem with the team. Mismanagement, AHL goalies, Bad coaching, Bad team culture are the problems. It is a team game this is not the NBA I think though you have to realise management has done more than just sign Horvat. That's really the point that's being presented by the person you're quoting. It might not be to the extent that person is posting, but it's still better than what you've stated. Don't get me wrong. I still don't trust management I agree with you on some things, I just think though you're one extreme while the other person's the other extreme. You're both right on some things and wrong on other things. The truth's in the middle somewhere and going to highly depend on opinion as well. Edited February 24 by The Lock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24K PureCool Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 We definitely need him for the tank this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kilgore Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 You don't start a "Do we really need him" thread if its a rhetorical question. You have to go out on a limb a little. With Burrows, he hadn't made it yet onto the Sedin's line. He was still a scrappy little french Canadian pest. But it was obvious to enough of us that Burrows was very valuable to the team, even if he just kept doing what he was doing. But as he moved up the lines, and increased ice time, it became more and more of a joke. It has to be someone on the team that is not talked about much. Or questionable as to if they are in the long time plans of the team. A player who some think is underappreciated for what he brings. Goes under the radar. Someone like............Burroughs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSVII Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 19 minutes ago, kilgore said: You don't start a "Do we really need him" thread if its a rhetorical question. You have to go out on a limb a little. With Burrows, he hadn't made it yet onto the Sedin's line. He was still a scrappy little french Canadian pest. But it was obvious to enough of us that Burrows was very valuable to the team, even if he just kept doing what he was doing. But as he moved up the lines, and increased ice time, it became more and more of a joke. It has to be someone on the team that is not talked about much. Or questionable as to if they are in the long time plans of the team. A player who some think is underappreciated for what he brings. Goes under the radar. Someone like............Burroughs. I always took the "Do we really need him?" threads now as more of a hopeful reverse jinx to the hockey gods than anything else. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strawbone Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 2 hours ago, Hairy Kneel said: I think he looks terribly slow. I would do a full physical. I would compare his bicycle 02 test before covid and after. I'm sure there's lingering effects from covid. The boy doesn't look right. When he skates it's like the rusty tin man. He has no gas or giddy up out there. I would scan his entire health package. He looked OK last season, not worth the money but not a liability either. This year, he's been pretty awful. If he's not injured, and this is just his natural decline, then we definitely don't want or need him. I was somewhat excited when this trade happened, I thought he might experience a resurgence playing on a decent team finally. Well, that sure didn't happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzle Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 3 hours ago, dougieL said: All I said was that Wolanin appears to look no worse and appears to contribute no less than OEL. Do you disagree? But since you mentioned it, yes, if OEL actually played up to his $7.26m cap hit, the Canucks would probably be higher up in the standings. Small samples don't mean squat. We also thought Martin was the goaltender of the future for Vancouver for his first 10 games... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred65 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 Funny enough I kept my eye particlarly on both Brisebois and Wolanin llast night and although Hughes was used a lot I don't think there can be many complaints aabout the other two LHD. We have to solve the Cap problem, these two might be a step in the right direction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred65 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 Here's an interesting snippet for Stillman enthusiasts in our midst, likely the same people who swooned about Juolevi Quote Since the beginning of the 2020-21 season, Riley Stillman has the third-worst Corsi Against per-60 (63.4) among defencemen who have played at least 1000 even-strength minutes. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kilgore Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 1 hour ago, DSVII said: I always took the "Do we really need him?" threads now as more of a hopeful reverse jinx to the hockey gods than anything else. You may be onto something there DSVII. I can see it now. All these early posts will start to look foolish when OEL suddenly, out of the blue, starts to play like the young rookie taken sixth overall. For whatever reason, a new hot wife, a new Swedish herbal remedy, a different curve on his stick, who knows? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred65 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 2 minutes ago, kilgore said: You may be onto something there DSVII. I can see it now. All these early posts will start to look foolish when OEL suddenly, out of the blue, starts to play like the young rookie taken sixth overall. For whatever reason, a new hot wife, a new Swedish herbal remedy, a different curve on his stick, who knows? I have no idea how old you are but I can advise you time and tide wait for no man. OEL is not reverting to his youth and can only get worse on a long expensive contract. It serves no purpose to show clips of a by gone era 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big D Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 (edited) Only Jim Benning would’ve looked at a player who universally was thought of to have the worst contract in the NHL and say… Edited February 25 by The Big D 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6of1_halfdozenofother Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 48 minutes ago, Fred65 said: I have no idea how old you are but I can advise you time and tide wait for no man. OEL is not reverting to his youth and can only get worse on a long expensive contract. It serves no purpose to show clips of a by gone era So... you mean... that thing about the Fountain of Youth... it doesn't exist? Oh. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 1 hour ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said: So... you mean... that thing about the Fountain of Youth... it doesn't exist? Oh. it does, but Anderson, Geo and Pavelski aren't telling where it is 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 4 hours ago, Strawbone said: He looked OK last season, not worth the money but not a liability either. This year, he's been pretty awful. If he's not injured, and this is just his natural decline, then we definitely don't want or need him. I was somewhat excited when this trade happened, I thought he might experience a resurgence playing on a decent team finally. Well, that sure didn't happen I'm not sure it's a natural decline. To me the major difference I see is covid. Since covid some players never bounced back. He looks like he has that stiffness about him. I had the bad covid and feel that everyday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strawbone Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 9 minutes ago, Hairy Kneel said: I'm not sure it's a natural decline. To me the major difference I see is covid. Since covid some players never bounced back. He looks like he has that stiffness about him. I had the bad covid and feel that everyday. That sucks, I hope it gets better eventually. And nobody is paying you $8mil a year to feel crummy, which would probably take the edge off! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougieL Posted February 25 Author Share Posted February 25 13 hours ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said: Buying his contract out is so shortsighted that it wouldn't even be shooting ourselves in the foot; it would be completely discharging our firearm into our crotch. Sure, it gives you some relief next year, and possible relief in subsequent years, but then you're extending the hurt by carrying dead cap for twice the length of the remaining contract duration, and paying the guy for services not rendered. Doesn't make business or roster construction sense at all. The cap hit that extends beyond the the life of his current contract is actually quite small, and by 2027, will be a very small fraction of the cap. I think it's worth it if we use the savings next year to secure a first round pick, which we desperately need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougieL Posted February 25 Author Share Posted February 25 11 hours ago, Dazzle said: Small samples don't mean squat. We also thought Martin was the goaltender of the future for Vancouver for his first 10 games... The sample size with OEL is pretty large...what do you think of him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RU SERIOUS Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 18 hours ago, dougieL said: I'm really curious to see if they buy him out this summer. Our cap savings would be almost $7m next season; we could presumably use that space to take on bad money for a first round pick (dream scenario of course). ....but the cap hit after that and over the next 8 years would be......................OMG! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougieL Posted February 25 Author Share Posted February 25 32 minutes ago, RU SERIOUS said: ....but the cap hit after that and over the next 8 years would be......................OMG! I know it sucks, but we do save around $9m in cap hit all told. That amount is worth more than a first round pick. Given our dearth of prospects, it might be the lesser of two evils. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 Oh good yet another "let's whine about >insert player we don't want<" thread for the umteenth time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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