Goal:thecup Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 Looks like he might not mind the aroma of Kits Beach... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 5 minutes ago, Ballisticsports. said: Put in another way Which team in this years draft would trade their 10th overall pick for a 3rd round pick and a 7th round pick 5 yrs from now? No one Rangers didn't do this to get better from this trade, they gifted us in order to get better this playoff in a trade to come It remains to be seen if it's even a gift. He refused the AHL, twice if I recall. If we had a prospect do that we'd want him gone with the quickness. Except Tryamkin, fanbase loves that big idiot no matter what for some reason. I am excited to see what Kravtsovs got, but I think people really do tend to get out of hand. I seen people say he's good defensively and called him a powerforward. But that's the nature of other team's prospects, they're more overhyped. Then when they come here and don't meet those lofty misguided expectations the fanbase turns on them and they suck. He's not a two way guy and he's not a powerforward and we don't even know if he'll be a legit bottom 6 guy, let alone come close to those 9th overall expectations. He has 10 points in his career. I want to see him in action, but I think we should tone down the expectations til we see him play. Buuuuut, we won't. People already have him slotted in the top 6 for us at some point. 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoosh Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 10 minutes ago, N7Nucks said: It remains to be seen if it's even a gift. He refused the AHL, twice if I recall. If we had a prospect do that we'd want him gone with the quickness. Except Tryamkin, fanbase loves that big idiot no matter what for some reason. I am excited to see what Kravtsovs got, but I think people really do tend to get out of hand. I seen people say he's good defensively and called him a powerforward. But that's the nature of other team's prospects, they're more overhyped. Then when they come here and don't meet those lofty misguided expectations the fanbase turns on them and they suck. He's not a two way guy and he's not a powerforward and we don't even know if he'll be a legit bottom 6 guy, let alone come close to those 9th overall expectations. He has 10 points in his career. I want to see him in action, but I think we should tone down the expectations til we see him play. Buuuuut, we won't. People already have him slotted in the top 6 for us at some point. I for one wan’t to see what he can do here during the rest of the season before setting any expectations in my mind. I’m pretty sure he’ll get a chance on just about every line here and that is a good thing. The team will have a pretty good picture about where he is at before the summer. The potential is there and I’m excited to see what he can bring. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 1 hour ago, Kenny Powers said: long listen, but a lot of great context on VK summary: He wasn’t Drury’s pick, and CD was public about not liking the pick Drury publicly called him out for not working hard enough a few years ago Gallant would demote him from the 2nd to 4th line for a defensive forward to hold leads, so he rarely played a full game in a top 6 role Gallant scratched him after playing well in wins, sometimes 4 games in a row in favour of AHL players, Blais or Lechyshyn VK used his opt out clause to play in the KHL twice, after being assigned to the AHL VK showed well in training camp, but didn’t make the roster VK regularly stayed after practice to practice one timers with Panarin He worked very hard this year, and went to dirty areas to get the puck VK asked for a trade publicly after being scratched recently Podcaster felt there was blame on all sides, and expected a 2nd as trade return FWD: Tocchet@Canucks.com CC: Tocchet@Canucks.com 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballisticsports. Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 5 minutes ago, N7Nucks said: It remains to be seen if it's even a gift. He refused the AHL, twice if I recall. If we had a prospect do that we'd want him gone with the quickness. Except Tryamkin, fanbase loves that big idiot no matter what for some reason. I am excited to see what Kravtsovs got, but I think people really do tend to get out of hand. I seen people say he's good defensively and called him a powerforward. But that's the nature of other team's prospects, they're more overhyped. Then when they come here and don't meet those lofty misguided expectations the fanbase turns on them and they suck. He's not a two way guy and he's not a powerforward and we don't even know if he'll be a legit bottom 6 guy, let alone come close to those 9th overall expectations. He has 10 points in his career. I want to see him in action, but I think we should tone down the expectations til we see him play. Buuuuut, we won't. People already have him slotted in the top 6 for us at some point. I thought you were getting out of hand pumping JB and Lockwood with math to DeNiro and why i made the comment about what team would trade this years 10th oa for a 3rd rounder (Lockwood) and a 7th rounder 4 yrs from now? No team would I said Had JB made this trade he would have given up much more than we did like when he traded for a unsigned ufa Suter and gave him a big contract before he even played a game for us, We wanted to get younger and faster and did so for very little - a great LOW RISK, HIGH REWARD trade Maybe he won't pan out, but he cost very lil to find out and won't cost us huge dollars and lengthy contract to see if the chemistry fits So glad we are no longer paying top dollar and term on bottom 9 forwards Glaf you now mention you're excited to see what Kravtsov's got, as many else are as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 35 minutes ago, Goal:thecup said: Looks like he might not mind the aroma of Kits Beach... So punchable in the faceable. Trying to remember that he’s on ‘our’ side now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, Ballisticsports. said: I thought you were getting out of hand pumping JB and Lockwood with math to DeNiro and why i made the comment about what team would trade this years 10th oa for a 3rd rounder (Lockwood) and a 7th rounder 4 yrs from now? No team would I said Had JB made this trade he would have given up much more than we did like when he traded for a unsigned ufa Suter and gave him a big contract before he even played a game for us, We wanted to get younger and faster and did so for very little - a great LOW RISK, HIGH REWARD trade Maybe he won't pan out, but he cost very lil to find out and won't cost us huge dollars and lengthy contract to see if the chemistry fits So glad we are no longer paying top dollar and term on bottom 9 forwards Glaf you now mention you're excited to see what Kravtsov's got, as many else are as well Move on bro, damn. Edited February 26, 2023 by -DLC- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sell.the.team Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 1 hour ago, Kenny Powers said: long listen, but a lot of great context on VK summary: He wasn’t Drury’s pick, and CD was public about not liking the pick Drury publicly called him out for not working hard enough a few years ago Gallant would demote him from the 2nd to 4th line for a defensive forward to hold leads, so he rarely played a full game in a top 6 role Gallant scratched him after playing well in wins, sometimes 4 games in a row in favour of AHL players, Blais or Lechyshyn VK used his opt out clause to play in the KHL twice, after being assigned to the AHL VK showed well in training camp, but didn’t make the roster VK regularly stayed after practice to practice one timers with Panarin He worked very hard this year, and went to dirty areas to get the puck VK asked for a trade publicly after being scratched recently Podcaster felt there was blame on all sides, and expected a 2nd as trade return Thanks for sharing this - very informative. I'm at the point where I'm not going to get my hopes up about any one player but I think this is a good gamble. Hopefully he feels a little more at home here with a fresh start and maybe we can give him some minutes playing with some of our skill guys. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballisticsports. Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 8 hours ago, N7Nucks said: Move on bro, damn. we agree on that and so glad Canucks have too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 1 minute ago, Ballisticsports. said: we agree on that and so glad Canucks have too It was time, on to better days. Hopefully. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 Kravtsov played like shit for the Canucks tonight. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honeydew Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 13 minutes ago, Sharpshooter said: Kravtsov played like shit for the Canucks tonight. I hope this is sarcasm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 2 minutes ago, Honeydew said: I hope this is sarcasm. No, he's right. Guy was practically invisible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 9 minutes ago, N7Nucks said: No, he's right. Guy was practically invisible. Goddammit. Stole my bit. Still, I applaud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 15 minutes ago, Honeydew said: I hope this is sarcasm. Your hopes came true by no intentional means of mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timråfan Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 53 minutes ago, N7Nucks said: I like riling people up that keep bringing up Benning like the sad ex girlfriends that they act like. Move on bro, damn. You must have a large problem guarding/riling this forum. The number of times I’ve seen Gillis brought up after Benning been here for/five years is immense. Insane one might say. So to bring up Benning before new management been here less than two years is quite normal on here… Six more years you can rile people up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 3 hours ago, The Lock said: I don't know. Personally, while AHL success is certainly good for the player, we see it way too many times where it doesn't translate to the NHL. At this point, you could just as easily say Kravtsov will make it and Lockwood will bust as you can the other way around. I think perhaps the biggest thing to consider here is Lockwood is 24 while Kravtsov is 23. Time is starting to tick for Lockwood unless if he is to become a late bloomer. Kravtsov also has arguably had the better translation so far in the NHL scoring more points on a stacked team than Lockwood on our team. Sure, it's a small sample size, but the fact's still there. You just have to look at the statistics for proof. So just looking at the 2 players straight up. If I had no attachment and had to choose between the two, I'd be going with Kravtsov, without question. Bigger potential upside, younger, and has scored a few points in the NHL already. We shouldn't be putting our attachments into this otherwise we're going to go about things the wrong way and not make trades like these, which I think are a lot more necessary than it may seem. If nothing else, consider how low risk we're talking. Lockwood, if he makes it: he's not going to be a top scorer in the NHL, at least not likely. More likely 3rd line I would imagine. That's not a big risk to trade that away even if he is successful. You're welcome to think otherwise of course, but I'm definately disagreeing with you on not liking this trade. I think these are the kinds of trades we need to do. 10 NHL points in 48 career games isn't a large sample size, it's also not great production. How was he being deployed in New York? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Smashian Kassian Posted February 26, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted February 26, 2023 The other thing is in moving Lockwood the club doesn't add an additional contract, maintaining the open slots they had going into college free agent season. We'll see what Kravstov can be, I remember really liking his skill/upside in his draft year, but regardless this move is a real feather in managements cap. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MystifyNCrucify Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 Cant really complain about losing a long shot and a lottery ticket, but im starting to question whether or not allvin understands what game hes involved in. He does realize he cant build hotels even he collects enough wingers to fill a roster down to the goalie position, doesnt he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DeltaSwede Posted February 26, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted February 26, 2023 Either way you put it, at the price point, it doesn't really matter if Kravtsov works out in Vancouver or not. We gave up nothing. However, I am not expecting a whole lot. There is a ton of potential, like so much, but there are a lot of concerns as well. From what I have heard from unbiased Rangers fans there are character issues with Kravtsov. He doesn't put in the work that he needs to or that has been asked of him. He's not dedicated enough, doesn't work hard enough, and has some diva tendencies. The Rangers, on all accounts seem to have handled him in the same way Allvin and co. are saying they will handle development. You earn your place. That mantra hasn't really been accepted by Kravtsov up until this point. He didn't earn a spot, get's sent down, pouts about it, protests and bolts off to Russia. A little Tryamkin with some Virtanen out of shape to camp combo. What needs to happen here is a shift in mindset and I don't think there is a better chance of that happening outside of Vancouver in terms of the NHL. That's probably the most valuable thing in this trade. We just happen to be the place that Kravtsov has the highest chance to pan out at. I base that on the Milstein mafia we already got employed with a little Sergei Gonchar magic. Now, in regards to the player, he's super skilled, fast, got great offensive instincts and is sneaky good defensively. He is however one missed opportunity away from busting hard. He wasn't even good in the KHL and had the same type of issues there. His team also demoted him because of his lack of effort and attitude. At the price point, it doesn't matter, but this is likely a huge nothing burger in the end. I love the potential though so I still love this trade from our perspective. 2 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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