NewbieCanuckFan Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said: Demko didn't let four goals in because he's a bad goalie. He let four in because both the previous and present management have failed miserably in providing him with an even remotely adequate defense to play behind. Once the Canucks have a real defense, watch Demko really shine. When OEL & Myers take up almost $2 million more in cap space than the Sedins contracts; it doesn't leave alot of margin for error. Sure Alvin played the hand he was given pretty badly but he was dealt a **** hand by Jim Benning. At least Myers can be moved after his bonus is paid out. OEL is an unexploded hand grenade that nobody wants. Maybe if Jim Benning becomes the GM of another NHL team we can trade him. Edited February 28, 2023 by NewbieCanuckFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 Just now, NewbieCanuckFan said: When OEL & Myers take up almost $2 million more in cap space than the Sedins contracts; it doesn't leave alot of margin for error. Sure Alvin played the hand he was given pretty badly but he was dealt a **** hand by Jim Benning. No doubt that Benning was an absolute moron. Signing Myers for the length of contract that he did was stupid, and the whole trade with Arizona crippled the team, for no particularly good reason. The situation was never going to be easy to fix, but AILvin did say that he thought the defense was good enough to compete, which indicates that he might be insane. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, PhillipBlunt said: No doubt that Benning was an absolute moron. Signing Myers for the length of contract that he did was stupid, and the whole trade with Arizona crippled the team, for no particularly good reason. The situation was never going to be easy to fix, but AILvin did say that he thought the defense was good enough to compete, which indicates that he might be insane. Remember the guy under him and/or senior advisor was the guy that actually traded for that stiff Gudbranson (great move by Jim Benning to fix that really bad error in judgement). Got a useful player (unlike Gudbranson) out of it as well. Edited February 28, 2023 by NewbieCanuckFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 1 minute ago, NewbieCanuckFan said: Remember the guy under him and/or senior advisor was the guy that actually traded for that stiff Gudbranson (great move by Jim Benning to fix that really bad error in judgement). Got a useful player (unlike Gudbranson) out of it as well. And then Guddy got a four year deal from Columbus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said: Demko didn't let four goals in because he's a bad goalie. He let four in because both the previous and present management have failed miserably in providing him with an even remotely adequate defense to play behind. Once the Canucks have a real defense, watch Demko really shine. At the end of the day, we need 2-3 Dmen similar to Cernak, Trouba, Parayko, Slavin, Lindholm, Theodore, etc. We have failed as a franchise to acquire these types of Dmen over the last 52 years. We can draft Connor Bedard, but we will never win a cup until the defence is fixed for good. At the end of the day, adding Cernak, Trouba and Lindholm to our lineup gives us a better chance at winning the cup than adding Bedard. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PhillipBlunt Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: At the end of the day, we need 2-3 Dmen similar to Cernak, Trouba, Parayko, Slavin, Lindholm, Theodore, etc. We have failed as a franchise to acquire these types of Dmen over the last 52 years. We can draft Connor Bedard, but we will never win a cup until the defence is fixed for good. At the end of the day, adding Cernak, Trouba and Lindholm to our lineup gives us a better chance at winning the cup than adding Bedard. So true. Defense has, and will, always win championships. The team has a great talent in Hughes, and they need to build around him with a mix of speed, size, skill and strength. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 10 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said: No doubt that Benning was an absolute moron. Signing Myers for the length of contract that he did was stupid, and the whole trade with Arizona crippled the team, for no particularly good reason. The situation was never going to be easy to fix, but AILvin did say that he thought the defense was good enough to compete, which indicates that he might be insane. They may know, it'll be another year before major surgery can be carried out once Myers contract is up.... At least I hope it is.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DS4quality Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 9 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: At the end of the day, we need 2-3 Dmen similar to Cernak, Trouba, Parayko, Slavin, Lindholm, Theodore, etc. We have failed as a franchise to acquire these types of Dmen over the last 52 years. We can draft Connor Bedard, but we will never win a cup until the defence is fixed for good. At the end of the day, adding Cernak, Trouba and Lindholm to our lineup gives us a better chance at winning the cup than adding Bedard. I don't know, by the way our management is conducting its transactions you'd think that your best defense is good wingers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 1 minute ago, DS4quality said: I don't know, by the way our management is conducting its transactions you'd think that your best defense is good wingers Collecting wingers and playing an AHL defence is a stealth tank move. They are trying really hard not to ice a good lineup. Problem is Petey, Kuzy and Hughes are too good, and Demko has declared himself 100% healthy so he has to play now. Even Miller has been shut down after apparently playing with an injury all year. Another stealth tank move. Still, I am waiting for someone to answer the question as to how you shut down Demko now that he has declared himself 100% healthy and ready to go. No one will answer that question because they all know the truth. The truth is you can't shut him down, you have to play him, so that ruins the tank and the whole scenario of using Delia and Martin for the rest of the year to properly tank. Even playing our AHL goalie didn't work, as he played better than our NHL backups. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnstorm Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 14 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldFaithfulCap Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 41 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Can you answer one simple question. How do you shut Demko down for the rest of the year when he himself declared that he is fully 100% healthy? You load manage to start with. Have him slated to play every 3rd game as a conditioning stint. You continue to do a delia vs martin backup goalie evaluation for next season. You shut him down at the first sign of anything. Trade related reasons seems to be a new one, get creative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goal:thecup Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 11 hours ago, RWJC said: Maybe we’ll see load management employed after TDL? This. These kids are so impatient. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldFaithfulCap Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 7 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Collecting wingers and playing an AHL defence is a stealth tank move. They are trying really hard not to ice a good lineup. Problem is Petey, Kuzy and Hughes are too good, and Demko has declared himself 100% healthy so he has to play now. Even Miller has been shut down after apparently playing with an injury all year. Another stealth tank move. Still, I am waiting for someone to answer the question as to how you shut down Demko now that he has declared himself 100% healthy and ready to go. No one will answer that question because they all know the truth. The truth is you can't shut him down, you have to play him, so that ruins the tank and the whole scenario of using Delia and Martin for the rest of the year to properly tank. Even playing our AHL goalie didn't work, as he played better than our NHL backups. You play myers and burroughs more than hughes. You load manage hughes due to being overplayed. You play dries, joshua, boeser more time. Trade last rounders for some journeymen scrubs if you must Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, OldFaithfulCap said: You load manage to start with. Have him slated to play every 3rd game as a conditioning stint. You continue to do a delia vs martin backup goalie evaluation for next season. You shut him down at the first sign of anything. Trade related reasons seems to be a new one, get creative. I highly doubt that Demko will play every game the rest of the way. So, of course Delia is going to start some games. Sure, I can see him not playing much ove the next 2 weeks or so, but after that he is our starter so the team cannot just sit him on the bench if he is fully healthy. Trede related reasons means we are trading him. Are you actually saying we should sit Demko out and declare to the public and all of the fans that he is being traded? Even if the Canucks were stupid enough to do that, that will only work for 3 more days and one more game anyways. After Friday, you will need to come up with new material... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goal:thecup Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 10 hours ago, Ghostsof1915 said: Care to elaborate? Oh God no, don't ask for that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DS4quality Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 17 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Collecting wingers and playing an AHL defence is a stealth tank move. They are trying really hard not to ice a good lineup. Problem is Petey, Kuzy and Hughes are too good, and Demko has declared himself 100% healthy so he has to play now. Even Miller has been shut down after apparently playing with an injury all year. Another stealth tank move. Still, I am waiting for someone to answer the question as to how you shut down Demko now that he has declared himself 100% healthy and ready to go. No one will answer that question because they all know the truth. The truth is you can't shut him down, you have to play him, so that ruins the tank and the whole scenario of using Delia and Martin for the rest of the year to properly tank. Even playing our AHL goalie didn't work, as he played better than our NHL backups. Why would you shut down Demko? We don't need to shut down Demko, our defence is so bad that you could start Vasilevskiy and we'd still need to score 5 goals to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldFaithfulCap Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: I highly doubt that Demko will play every game the rest of the way. So, of course Delia is going to start some games. Sure, I can see him not playing much ove the next 2 weeks or so, but after that he is our starter so the team cannot just sit him on the bench if he is fully healthy. Trede related reasons means we are trading him. Are you actually saying we should sit Demko out and declare to the public and all of the fans that he is being traded? Even if the Canucks were stupid enough to do that, that will only work for 3 more days and one more game anyways. After Friday, you will need to come up with new material... You can do whatever you want as long as has some vague justification. Look at the coyotes sitting players. Extended sitting for Trade related reasons is a newish thing, that's why i was saying get creative. NBA created load management, you could say for non-hockey related reasons. Maybe its team culture actions. NHL is way behind in enforcing things, use it. There's a lot of past examples anyway like buffalo trying to get macdavid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, OldFaithfulCap said: You play myers and burroughs more than hughes. You load manage hughes due to being overplayed. You play dries, joshua, boeser more time. Trade last rounders for some journeymen scrubs if you must Myers played over 25 minutes last night. That's only around 1 minute less than Hughes. They play opposite sides so you can't replace one with the other. Burroughs played almost 18 minutes. Joshua played over 18 minutes. He actually played more than Beau and only 40 seconds less than Kuzmenko. Trade picks for players to fill the bottom six. We already have AHL players playing in the bottom 6, so not sure how that would help. At the end of the day, BO, Miller, Mikheyev are all out of the lineup. Demko was held out as long as possible to make sure he was fully healthy. The only actual NHL defenceman that was dressed last night was Hughes. We had several AHL forwards in the lineup as well. Demko let in 4 goals and we still won against Dallas who is supposedly one of the best team in the West. You can't blame the players for the win, and you can't really blame management either. At the end of day, we have a team that can win games here and there. It's not going to happen every night but we will win games... 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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