HorvatToBaertschi Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 7 hours ago, buddhahoodlum said: Buffalo tanked, Oilers too. Toronto. Pittsburgh in '84. Lots of teams do it. What is wrong with management or fans wanting the best lotto odds if their team is out of the playoffs? The message it sends to your greatest centerman and defenseman of all time. 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 3 minutes ago, HorvatToBaertschi said: The message it sends to your greatest centerman and defenseman of all time. Impossible to tank with Petey, Hughes, Demko. Plus, we have built a very good young core. Management continues building the supporting cast too. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goal:thecup Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 2 hours ago, DrJockitch said: DP Yet it feels like the same stuff over and over again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timråfan Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 8 hours ago, DeNiro said: Why is it whining to point out that we literally do the same thing every season and get nowhere? Sorry for not being gullible… I have been here since Petey were drafted and I've never seen Benning do something similar to what PA has done playerwise. They are so far apart it's mind boggling someone can think it's the same as so many seems to think it is. How is that gullible? Is it the ones that believed Benning that has a hard time believe in something different? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 18 minutes ago, CanucksJay said: Ok what specifically on this roster needs to change for us to be a good team? Like let's get detailed here Forwards? What needs to change? Only question mark is Miller @ 2C for me but even that seems ok. I don't think his improved play is a mirage. I think it's a byproduct of good coaching. Demko is a top 5 goalie. That leaves defense. Hughes is getting better and better. Hronek was a legit top 4 add. We're missing 2 more legit top 4 D? OEL and Myers.... Can either play the 4D and the other slide down to 5D and anchor 3rd pairing? Can we grab one more legit top 4 dmen this summer? I personally think that's all we really need. That and the PK needs to improve and then we are actually quite a good team The roster and the prospect pipeline…. Nothing too big. You don’t go from bottom of the league to contender with one or two players unless they happen to be superstars which you can only find in the draft. Most of our current roster would clear waivers. Lots of players with negative value. You need cheap players on ELCs contributing in the top half of your roster in a cap world. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post -DLC- Posted March 7, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 7, 2023 40 minutes ago, Goal:thecup said: Please tell that to the whining 'tankers'. Take the day off Debbys. Ahem. Donna's (I'm changing it). 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timråfan Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 56 minutes ago, jyu said: - Top 4LD - another Top 4RD - 3C - OEL off the team at least until he can skate and get to the pucks again - one or two of the farm players take the next step bottom 6D or bottom 6 wingers. If the following are done, we will be a good team. But will it be good enough to win a cup? Because that's the million dollar question here. We have been "good" before but fell short over and over and over again. The improvements you're talking about is for a cup final. That is not only a good team or is a good team a team that reach the finals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eeeeergh Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 37 minutes ago, Alflives said: Impossible to tank with Petey, Hughes, Demko. Plus, we have built a very good young core. Management continues building the supporting cast too. Many will be surprised by how good next years roster is. Willing to bet that at some point next year Drance uses the phrase "an unsustainable streak of good luck" 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 9 hours ago, rekker said: Team will be a hell of a lot better next year. Book it. Yeah right. Most of CDC was predicting a division championship this year. We're going to suck again until the last 15-20 games and then go on a tear. This team is so frustrating lol. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 4 minutes ago, eeeeergh said: Many will be surprised by how good next years roster is. Willing to bet that at some point next year Drance uses the phrase "an unsustainable streak of good luck" We are adding a top pair, young, right shot D soon too. Hronek is going to carry his pairing like Hughes carries his. So for nearly half the game we will have a great D man on the ice. And there will be time when they play together too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 (edited) 59 minutes ago, HorvatToBaertschi said: Here's the thing, some players do well statistically on terrible teams because the coaching is run and gun, don't care about the results. This has been Ottawa for the last 4 years, Anaheim currently etc... You can't really name anybody a star until they've done something of note. For example, how can you say Anaheim has a star? Troy Terry had a good season last year, but trailed the F off after his hot start, and didn't even end up PPG after being in the Art Ross race for the first 30 or so games. How is Zegras a star? Because he's flashy and marketable? How are Stutzle and Tkachuk, or Norris or Chabot stars? They're all great players but they haven't played a meaningful game yet. Caufield for example, was a key cog in a stanley cup run, as was Suzuki, but Suzuki has trailed off since then. You can definitely call Caufield a star. So no, not everybody has 3 stars like we do in their team. We have one of the better young cores in the league and management will make calls based off of this, which is why the Hronek deal for example, was a great one. So Anaheim and Ottawa don't have stars because they haven't won anything but we do? A perfect example of cdc logic at its finest. 13 minutes ago, eeeeergh said: Many will be surprised by how good next years roster is. Willing to bet that at some point next year Drance uses the phrase "an unsustainable streak of good luck" Another horrible and predictably poor prediction by some happy go lucky on cdc. Sure, pretty solid. Edited March 7, 2023 by Gawdzukes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jyu Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 10 minutes ago, Timråfan said: The improvements you're talking about is for a cup final. That is not only a good team or is a good team a team that reach the finals? I'm talking about a team that finishes top 3 in the division -- a consistent playoff team. All of the consistently good teams except Edmonton McDavid or Pittsburgh Crosby have had - two scoring lines - bottom six with mix of youth, speed, skill, and size - balanced top 4D Elite goaltending is optional as the trend seems to be on reducing the workload on goalies by icing a better team in front and ease the quality of shots faced. But having a a goalie like Vasy on your team goes a long way in the playoffs because even when you are not performing as well, the goalie can win you a series We have one in Demko so we have that going for us. Winning the cup is another beast. We likely need another game breaker to win on top of what I proposed. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jyu Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 51 minutes ago, Alflives said: Impossible to tank with Petey, Hughes, Demko. Plus, we have built a very good young core. Management continues building the supporting cast too. Who built this very good young core? We should give him some credit... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 Let’s just say we go on a win streak for the next 19 games. Is it possible we make the playoffs? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johngould21 Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 Saros is having Petey nightmares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RakuRaku Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 I couldn't catch much of the action last night.... but did anyone notice much of Kravtsov?? Is he gradually settling in?? All I saw was, Brisebois was so lack of confidence... and he often fails to get the puck out effectively.... Juulsen on the other hand is showing much more and he might get to stick around for next season once Myers and/or Bear are gone....! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, DeNiro said: Except every other tanking team is managing their roster right now in case you hadn’t noticed. If only you could do things like not play Quinn Hughes almost 29 minutes per game and instead spend your effort getting a read on other younger players and how they can handle extra responsibilities. Put the focus on how to make sure we are better next season, not how to scrape a few more wins out of this year. Simple, treat it like pre-season games where you are figuring out different things and wins are secondary to assessment and development. Edited March 7, 2023 by Provost 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HorvatToBaertschi Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 27 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said: Yeah right. Most of CDC was predicting a division championship this year. We're going to suck again until the last 15-20 games and then go on a tear. This team is so frustrating lol. Look at our results as soon as we got a healthy Demko. It's not a coincidence. This is without a lot of starters too. This year was a freak accident. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johngould21 Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 1 hour ago, HorvatToBaertschi said: The message it sends to your greatest centerman and defenseman of all time. They've said as much each and every time they're interviewed. It's not in their dna to not compete. Even Tocchet said he wants to cut back minutes to these guys, but, they give him the look like put me in coach and over the boards they go. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HorvatToBaertschi Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said: So Anaheim and Ottawa don't have stars because they haven't won anything but we do? A perfect example of cdc logic at its finest. Another horrible and predictably poor prediction by some happy go lucky on cdc. Sure, pretty solid. Pettersson is on pace for 110 points this season, and had a phenomenal start to his playoff career, all while playing at a Selke level defensively, 2nd in blocked shots amongst forwards... Hughes had a phenomenal playoffs as well, and just set a record for fastest dman in history to get to 200 assists. Demko is solid and is a top 5 goalie in the league when healthy. Name me a single thing Stutzle, Tkachuk or Norris has done, other than being outscored by Hughes last season. Also said that they didn't do anything of note yet or haven't played any meaningful games yet, not that they haven't won, which is true. They have star potential, but being PPG as they are right now, while having 0 defensive responsibilities and being liabilities in their own end isn't much. Ottawa for example, plays an incredibly unstructured game, where offense is the only thing that matters and their players can consistently cheat and cherry pick. They're all very young, specifically Zegras and Stutzle, but they are not stars yet. Edited March 7, 2023 by HorvatToBaertschi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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