dougieL Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 6 hours ago, 24K PureCool said: It takes the 11th just to move one of them per Seravalli. For those that loved the Hronek trade, claiming we'll never draft a player as good as Hronek at #18, I hope this statement helps educate you on the value of cap space. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure961089 Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, swimsWithDucks said: I have the same feeling as you but what I expect is for the Blackhawks to get another cup before we even make the playoffs The problem with building a team in the salary cap era is it's very difficult to win a cup with only a handful of great players. Look at the Leafs and Oilers. They have elite talent but don't have enough money to build around them. I want the Canucks to build a team like the Panthers with a strong structured system and a lot of good players. Up to this point neither the Oilers or the Leafs haven had much playoff success. I don't know if McDavid or Dries would ever fall in line to a structured system if it meant sacrificing points but maybe I'm wrong. We'll see. The Blackhawks are going to need more than 1 guy And he might cost them 14 mill after his elc is done. Edited May 11, 2023 by Pure961089 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 10 hours ago, RUPERTKBD said: You just don't get it G....we needed to develop "character" more than we needed a higher draft position.... What is it, exactly, that you expected them to do? Players and coaches certainly weren't going to do anything but do their absolute best to win hockey games. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckwings Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 1 hour ago, dougieL said: For those that loved the Hronek trade, claiming we'll never draft a player as good as Hronek at #18, I hope this statement helps educate you on the value of cap space. I hated the Hronek trade from the moment it happened - nothing against the player but it is the timing and a reflection of how current mgmt values draft picks just like the last regime. The first round pick dropping a few spots didn't make it that much better, and I'm sure PA couldn't have predicted that. He was ready to risk the pick becoming a lottery pick in 2024 at worst case. It wasn't the right time to make the trade at TDL and I still stand by that. Giving up our second round pick in a deep draft just kills it for me. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guntrix Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 Can’t believe people still insist on picking based on position/need even after Juolevi and Virtanen. BPA has always been the way. I hope JR and co. do what needs to be done. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RUPERTKBD Posted May 11, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 11, 2023 1 hour ago, stawns said: What is it, exactly, that you expected them to do? Players and coaches certainly weren't going to do anything but do their absolute best to win hockey games. I expect the players and coaches to do their best to win....which is why I've been directing my criticism at management and not them. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinatcc Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 2 hours ago, stawns said: What is it, exactly, that you expected them to do? Players and coaches certainly weren't going to do anything but do their absolute best to win hockey games. True but I wish the team had that same mindset when the games mattered not when they were out of the playoffs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougieL Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 2 hours ago, stawns said: What is it, exactly, that you expected them to do? Players and coaches certainly weren't going to do anything but do their absolute best to win hockey games. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 Has Bedard said he ain't going to play for Chicago yet? Or has anyone decided they want to give us a top 2, mid 20s RHD for our pick? Only things that'd make me happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, iinatcc said: True but I wish the team had that same mindset when the games mattered not when they were out of the playoffs Boudreau was still the coach when the games mattered. The pond hockey wasn't winning us any games, but was really padding BO's numbers, so the silver lining was we were able to get a good haul for a player who is really a 50 point guy. Next year should be different, no shinny hockey to start the year, we will have our full systems in place from opening night... Edited May 11, 2023 by Elias Pettersson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 10 hours ago, Pure961089 said: I'm hearing from people like Serivelli that Garland and Beau have zero trade value. And to move them it will take Canucks draft picks. Not the other way around, I find the rest of the NHL undervalue Canucks players simply for being Canucks. It's kinda sad. And they know Allvin is between a rock and a hard place. Were going to end up doing something like Vegas did. Literally gave away Patcherety to get under the cap. All the Myers money is going to Hronek, where's the money for Pettersson? Cap mismanagement could be Allvin's downfall. What? How much are you planning on paying Hronek? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinatcc Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 13 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Boudreau was still the coach when the games mattered. The pond hockey wasn't winning us any games, but was really padding BO's numbers, so the silver lining was we were able to get a good haul for a player who is really a 50 point guy. Next year should be different, no shinny hockey to start the year, we will have our full systems in place from opening night... Hmmm ... I thought Boudreau was the answer after he replaced Travis Green. Or at least we solved the coaching problem that many claimed was Travis Green's fault. We were the same position this time last year, thinking the coaching change and latter season improvements finally meant the team turned a corner. But 3 coaches in 3 years ... we have to admit if this was any other team we would be calling the core coach killers. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 4 hours ago, guntrix said: Can’t believe people still insist on picking based on position/need even after Juolevi and Virtanen. BPA has always been the way. I hope JR and co. do what needs to be done. Well they did it last year, or what they believed to be best player available, so it seems like that their thinking... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 3 hours ago, iinatcc said: True but I wish the team had that same mindset when the games mattered not when they were out of the playoffs The team? These players and coaches are playing/coaching for their own futures as well.... Whatever happens in Vancouver can lose them their jobs, with no chance of a proper contract anywhere else. And top players are never playing to lose... they play to get the accolades and good contracts be it here or elsewhere.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 8 minutes ago, iinatcc said: Hmmm ... I thought Boudreau was the answer after he replaced Travis Green. Or at least we solved the coaching problem that many claimed was Travis Green's fault. We were the same position this time last year, thinking the coaching change and latter season improvements finally meant the team turned a corner. But 3 coaches in 3 years ... we have to admit if this was any other team we would be calling the core coach killers. Yes lets hope we don't end up in the same circle again, although I doubt that will be the case.. Do like the name core coach killers.... it actually represents a lot of the country club mentality, that seems to have been going around. Trading Bo was probably the first step to change that around... Tbh if Green hadn't stuck to Baumer as his assistant, and got some qualified help like Tocchet has now, it might not have gone so bad for him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure961089 Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 45 minutes ago, spook007 said: What? How much are you planning on paying Hronek? the better part of 7 mill. At least 6. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 25 minutes ago, Pure961089 said: the better part of 7 mill. At least 6. Yep... but as he is paid $4.4M already, that should leave a substantial sum to pay for Peteys next contract... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckleHorse Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 1 hour ago, iinatcc said: Hmmm ... I thought Boudreau was the answer after he replaced Travis Green. Or at least we solved the coaching problem that many claimed was Travis Green's fault. We were the same position this time last year, thinking the coaching change and latter season improvements finally meant the team turned a corner. But 3 coaches in 3 years ... we have to admit if this was any other team we would be calling the core coach killers. After Scott Walker left the team looked pretty disorganized I’d say that he was the reason we seen the potential of this team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 9 hours ago, RUPERTKBD said: I expect the players and coaches to do their best to win....which is why I've been directing my criticism at management and not them. Short of cleaning house at the deadline, which I was on board with for miller and boeser, what else should they have done? They iced an AHL dcorp for a good chunk of the last quarter of the season.........they got bubble Demko back and guys like Petey caught fire. I do think they should have shipped Miller and Boeser out though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kloubek Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 So what would it take to snatch Bedard from Chicago? He's NHL ready, and Chicago isn't going to be competing for any cup any time soon. Seems to me they are still in asset acquiring mode, and will be for a couple of years. I propose: To Vancouver: 1 OA To Chicago: 11 OA, Beauvillier, Raty, Rathbone, 2024 1st, 2025 2nd Do you guys think something like that package could get it done? I almost think it's overpayment, but then, we're talking Bedard here. Kuz Pettersson Mikheyev Garland Miller Boeser PDG/Dries Bedard Hoglander Podz Studnika Joshua 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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