Who here is actually happy with the Hronek trade?

[PhillipBlunt]

13 minutes ago, 250Integra said:

Hughes - Poolman / Schenn (?)

OEL - Hronek

Dermott / Hirose - Myers

 

That's not a bad looking defense group when healthy. I think if they shelter Myers a bit and reduce his minutes, he'll be a lot better. I don't have my finger's crossed with Poolman and Dermott returning but we'll see. Let's hope OEL has somewhat of a resurgence.

 

It's not a good-looking defense either. Hughes needs an actual long-term partner, and while Schenn is awesome, he's not a long term answer. Poolman, if he ever recovers, is a 5-6 defenseman, at best. 

 

OEL was great about 6-7 years ago. He's lost a few steps and is now a barely passable 3-4 dman. Hronek is great for shoring up the second pair but needs a better partner than OEL. Will OEL have a resurgence of capability like Schenn did a couple of years back? I hope so and would gladly eat my words if that happens. Thing is, most likely it won't. 

 

The Dermott Myers pairing is shambolic and would be feasted on by forwards. 

 

 

Edited May 16, 2023 by PhillipBlunt

[PhillipBlunt]

1 minute ago, flat land fish said:

We needed a top 4 d and got one, even better is the player is a right handed shot.  We have a number of in-house players in development that have potential to fill in the gaps as d first dmen.  

Which in-house defensemen can turn into a top stay at home RHD on the top pairing with Hughes, and which in-house player can pair with Hronek to hold down the second pairing?

Looking at the list of developing in-house players, I don't really see many players with the capability, size or experience to partner with players as dynamic as Hughes and Hronek.

[Miss Korea Bob.Loblaw]

16 minutes ago, Dr. Crossbar said:

Lol ... nice try. 

 

He's 25. Just entering his prime. That's young with his best years ahead of him. Exactly what we need for this core.

 

If he performs well, he'll get some of the money we've had tied up in Myers and Boeser. And he'll be better consistent value.

If he performs well, he should be playing alongside Hughes as our #2 D-man.  If he earns something like $6.5 million, that kind of money doesn't belong on the second pairing.

[Dr. Crossbar]

2 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Those are examples of RHD that were traded for the same price or more than Hronek.  That is what the going rate is.  You think you are going to get a top 4 RHD for less than a 1st and a 2nd?  

 

Also, Hronek actually knows how to play defence.  The fact that you think he's a power play specialist tells me that you've never even seen him play...

Great post and perspective. People want top talent without giving up anything. Not going to happen. Hronek is better than what people think. 

[spook007]

38 minutes ago, HorvatToBaertschi said:

I mean, he's played like a solid 1D the last 2+ years. He's getting an opportunity to play more favorable minutes here since he'll be on the 2nd pairing, behind Hughes. I'd say there's a lot less pressure on him in Vancouver than there was in Detroit. 

It was more a hint that the trade would only be ok, if he played like a 2D and we went to the play offs and further.

I'd suggest that playing as a top 3-4 would even be ok. Not every team has a true 1 and 2D in the line up...  But if he plays like a true 2D, then its a fantastic trade.

[PhillipBlunt]

5 minutes ago, Bob.Loblaw said:

If he performs well, he should be playing alongside Hughes as our #2 D-man.  If he earns something like $6.5 million, that kind of money doesn't belong on the second pairing.

Yet.......

Edited May 16, 2023 by PhillipBlunt

[Miss Korea Bob.Loblaw]

6 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said:

Yet.......

You're too harsh.  We have a $7M guy on our bottom pairing.  Or would get get scratched now?

[mordekai]

14 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said:

Which in-house defensemen can turn into a top stay at home RHD on the top pairing with Hughes, and which in-house player can pair with Hronek to hold down the second pairing?

Looking at the list of developing in-house players, I don't really see many players with the capability, size or experience to partner with players as dynamic as Hughes and Hronek.

Jett Woo and Filip Johansson. Those two have a great shot in the near future 

[PhillipBlunt]

Just now, Bob.Loblaw said:

You're too harsh.  We have a $7M guy on our bottom pairing.  Or would get get scratched now?

You're the one who said, and rightfully so, that a defenseman making $6.5M shouldn't be on the second pairing. And yes, OEL is even more expensive, and just as useful as Myers at this point. 

 

I'm harsh? Oh dear. That's unfortunate. 

[kloubek]

I actually thought he was considereed to be defensively responsible? 

 

Seems to me we acquired him as a jack of all trades, so to speak. He can play big minutes and not be a defensive liability, plus contribute on the scoresheet. At least, that was the intention.

 

Frankly, the 4 (?) games I watched him play were largely underwhelming. But he had JUST arrived in Vancouver, and I think he was injured still as well. Not exactly a large OR accurate sample size. If he turns out to be a legit top pairing guy, or even if he's just a really good 2D, I think we did ok. 

[PhillipBlunt]

Just now, mordekai said:

Jett Woo and Filip Johansson. Those two have a great shot in the near future 

So Woo is finally going to put it altogether after a few seasons? 

 

Don't see Johansson making much of an impact. 

 

[Provost]

3 hours ago, HorvatToBaertschi said:

Why would we trade one of our top 3 players on a team friendly contract in his prime while our top players are beginning their prime? If you want to shed cap, shed it where there's dead weight; OEL, Myers, Garland or Boeser to start. That's 20 million off the books on players who contribute little. 

 

We are a significantly worse team without Miller. 

Well in case you have missed it the last 100 times or so that people have told you.

 

Miller isn’t on a team friendly deal two months from now.  He is getting paid market rates for his current production.  Unfortunately, the likelihood of him producing at those same rates when he is 37 are pretty astronomical.  Age related decline wasn’t factored into that contract.  He is almost certainly going to become one of those dead weight contracts you think it is easy to shed.  It could happen anywhere from next season to 3-4 seasons from now, but the odds are highly stacked against us contract aging well.

 

Those contracts you suggested are impossible to move without further eroding our future. 

[eeeeergh]

2 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said:

I would say that Chris Tanev was a better player than any 2nd round pick we ever drafted over the last 53 years other than Thatcher Demko and Mike Peca.  Akito Hirose also looks better than any 2nd round pick currently in our organization...

Bo + 2nd

for

Hronek + Raty + Beauvillier + 4th

 

was a great trade, even if Hronek ends up being a decent 2nd pair guy. From what i can tell, hes a high end 2nd pair guy/low end 1st pair guy. Management also addressed a huge positional weakness in our farm team by getting Raty. 

 

And to your point about college free agents- this management team has done an insane job of getting good players and quality prospects for free. Kuzmenko (40 goal scorer?!?!?!?!) + Bear (okay top 4 defenseman) + Hirose (looks legit) + Johansson (also looks legit) + Aman (our future 3C) and more

 

Things were a lot more dire before JR/PA took over.

 

People losing their minds over being up against the cap but we have so much cap falling off next year it doesnt even matter. 

 

 

[HorvatToBaertschi]

3 minutes ago, Provost said:

Well in case you have missed it the last 100 times or so that people have told you.

 

Miller isn’t on a team friendly deal two months from now.  He is getting paid market rates for his current production.  Unfortunately, the likelihood of him producing at those same rates when he is 37 are pretty astronomical.  Age related decline wasn’t factored into that contract.  He is almost certainly going to become one of those dead weight contracts you think it is easy to shed.  It could happen anywhere from next season to 3-4 seasons from now, but the odds are highly stacked against us contract aging well.

 

Those contracts you suggested are impossible to move without further eroding our future. 

Miller left money on the table and his market value was much closer to 9+ than it was 8. The cap going up over time will easily take care of any loss of value over the years of Miller's contract. Myers has 1million salary to be paid next year, and Boeser is a serviceable top 6 player. That's 13 million in cap space that can be dealt with without touching our primary draft capital. 

[Elias Pettersson]

1 hour ago, Dr. Crossbar said:

Hmmm ... I seem to remember people crying ... and crying hard ... that we needed a young RHD ... and then we get Hronek ... and people cried even harder. Can't have it both ways.

 

But ...

 

The fact is ... Hronek's great! Has a great shot, which we haven't had since the Salo days in a Dman. His best years are yet to come. He's going to be great for us. 

 

With Gonchar and Foote, I'm confident they can get him to be more defensively responsible without sacrificing his natural offensive talent. 

 

Hopefully Allvin is more focused on suring up our D so Hronek doesn't get stretched too thin and has to take on more roles than he should.

The blanket got wetter as time wore on…

[Elias Pettersson]

3 minutes ago, eeeeergh said:

Bo + 2nd

for

Hronek + Raty + Beauvillier + 4th

 

was a great trade, even if Hronek ends up being a decent 2nd pair guy. From what i can tell, hes a high end 2nd pair guy/low end 1st pair guy. Management also addressed a huge positional weakness in our farm team by getting Raty. 

 

And to your point about college free agents- this management team has done an insane job of getting good players and quality prospects for free. Kuzmenko (40 goal scorer?!?!?!?!) + Bear (okay top 4 defenseman) + Hirose (looks legit) + Johansson (also looks legit) + Aman (our future 3C) and more

 

Things were a lot more dire before JR/PA took over.

 

People losing their minds over being up against the cap but we have so much cap falling off next year it doesnt even matter. 

 

 

And Dakota Joshua. He’s a beauty too…

[Ted Lasso]

1 minute ago, Elias Pettersson said:

And Dakota Joshua. He’s a beauty too…

Dark horse candidate for 3C?

[Elias Pettersson]

Just now, Kenny Powers said:

Dark horse candidate for 3C?

He could play wing with Miller. Or at least on the 3rd line and move up Podz. Then we add Lucic to the 4th line. Nobody would f*ck with us anymore. 

[Nucker 67]

If the Hronek trade didn't happen, the Canucks would still have only one Top 4D. Hughes (and Demko) would be overworked and frustrated that management isn't doing anything to help the D. Sure, the Canucks would have the two extra picks and Draft Day would be fun, but next season wouldn't be much fun. No guarantee those picks turn into good NHL players. 

 

Hughes - Bear

Wolanin - Myers

OEL - Burroughs

Hirose

 

This D would struggle again. 

 

 

[Dr. Crossbar]

19 minutes ago, Bob.Loblaw said:

If he performs well, he should be playing alongside Hughes as our #2 D-man.  If he earns something like $6.5 million, that kind of money doesn't belong on the second pairing.

If he performs well, it'll certainly give us more options and better value. He's most certainly suring up our Top 4. He'll need to have a monster season next year to get legit #1 D money.