[Discussion] What Constitutes A Cap Dump or Negative Value Contract

[Warhippy]

So let's just start this discussion now shall we.

 

Apparently the belief is around that a single year left on a contract with minimal dollar value but average cap value is a contract that is a cap dump or has negative value and needs payment to be moved.

 

I would suggest the following is a cap dump and negative value contract.  It was a necessity to move this contract with one year remaining to sign an essential piece with a n older underperforming player being the centrepiece of the trade and reason behind the dump.

 

 

 

Oliver Bjrokstrand traded to the Kraken was deemed a cap dump due to the length of his contract and needed so that the Jackets could facilitate the Gaudreau trade.  We have seen numerous contracts from retired players move.

 

But now we are seeing comments about single year contracts with moderate cap hits being "cap dumps" with negative value on younger still semi productive middle 6 players or 3-4 defencemen and I wanted to ask.

What constitutes a cap dump or negative value contract?

[DrJockitch]

Has as much to do with the situation. 

We are so tight to the camp, any GM worth his salt would hold our feet to the fire in any deal that clears any cap, as they should.  We should have to pay for our mismanagement or wait it out.

[Elias Pettersson]

Is there a certain age limit that establishes whether a player is considered a cap dump?

 

Also, wasn't a 28-year-old Sean Walker with one year left on his contract at $2.65 million just traded as a cap dump 15 minutes ago?

[chon derry]

The Canucks traded Dickinson @ 2.65 for stillman @ 1.35 so as to facilitate Ethan bear/ L. Peterson for a 5 rd also the canes facilitated the trade wanting for bear to land in a better  spot. ( edm history ). They also retained  1.4 mil to make all this happen. So the Chicago deal was a cap dump of sorts for all of this to happen. Carolina had to wait for all this to go down ,  so kudos to brindamour wanting what’s best for bear. But a cap dump none the less. 

[mll]

It's also dependent on the cap situation around the league and it's particularly dire this year - even worse than last year.  It's much harder to move cap when other teams are also trying to move cap and very few teams have room to take on contracts.  The teams with cap space have all the leverage.

[Fanuck]

1 hour ago, Warhippy said:

What constitutes a cap dump or negative value contract?

[NewbieCanuckFan]

Alflives = cap dump

NewbieCanuckFan = player to be name later

 

[MaxVerstappen33]

Remember how Beauvillier out scored 8.5 million dollar Horvat down the stretch? Ah yes. He played with Petey. So what ? There are plenty of tweeners out there who couldn't be thrown on a top line and produce like a top line player.

 

He has one year left and has no NTC. He ain't a cap dump. But the win-now desperados who think every other teams mid players are better than their own will paint a picture that he is.

[canuck73_3]

1 hour ago, Fanuck said:

We'll see when he comes back this season, he was actually really good the year before when not injured. 

[Guest]

Our fanbase is so jaded from the last 50 years that they look for more sources of pain that isn't there. 

 

People suggesting that Garland and Beauvillier is a negative asset are out of their mind. 

[Alflives]

4 minutes ago, VancouverHabitant said:

Our fanbase is so jaded from the last 50 years that they look for more sources of pain that isn't there. 

 

People suggesting that Garland and Beauvillier is a negative asset are out of their mind. 

Many of us are suffering from PBSD. 

[Warhippy]

Full stop.  This isn't just about our team.  It's why it's in general.

 

Case in point would be Vegas.  Who has been able to trade in and out bad contracts since they walked in to the league.  An example would be shipping out Dadanov to take on Shae Weber's contract and then when it was feasible for them, shipping that contract out to Arizona for Dysin Mayo.

 

Or the Hawks managing to do the same numerous times 

 

In my eyes a bad contract, negative value or the like is a contract in which a player is the following

 

• Older player or an over 35 contract 
• Has significant term left
• Is frequently injured
• Is paid well above their production based on previous success (loui player name)
• Is preventing the team from retaining a much better talent or asset 

We can look at Anthony Beauvilier and say ok.  So he's a 30-40 point winger who is making $4 ish million with one year left.  His type of contract gets shipped out all the time.  Myers more fits the bill based on his cap; but at the same time he's also got a single year left while being one of the more desired positions in the league and we've seen players like him traded frequently for a premium return.

 

But then we look at Calgary who went on a tear for 2 seasons signing and trading for players en masse and now see a near 30 year old Huberdeau about to make roughly $10 million for the next decade.  Counter point that with JT Miller who is going to make $8 million BUT is still seemingly productive in comparison to Huberdeau 

 

If we are comparing their contracts I immediately look at JT Millers current rate of production vs Huberdeau's and think at least he is playing to his value.  Even if the length of the contract gives me pause.

 

So what constitutes a. bad or negative value contract?

[iinatcc]

On 6/7/2023 at 1:41 AM, canuck73_3 said:

We'll see when he comes back this season, he was actually really good the year before when not injured. 

But now he's injured