[Buyout] Oliver Ekman-Larsson

[ilduce39]

Just now, Kevin Biestra said:

 

Let's use mode.  It has been sitting on the bench for a while.

As an Italian it pains me to admit this, but Mode being included in that list is like Italy being included in the World War 1 “great powers.” 

[Kevin Biestra]

2 minutes ago, ilduce39 said:

As an Italian it pains me to admit this, but Mode being included in that list is like Italy being included in the World War 1 “great powers.” 

 

The Fredo Corleone of averages.

[24K PureCool]

3 hours ago, Master Mind said:

 

If we had management that was focused on the long term, we wouldn't be making short sighted trades and signings every year.

 

It's all the short term thinking that resulted in a buyout being (presumably) the best option to clear cap.

I agree and that is mostly on Benning who is gone. 

 

To this current management it looks like buying OEL out is the right move no matter what they had done as he needs to be bought out eventually and doing so now make the most sense. If you disagree then go look at the buyout calculator for each of the potential buyout year. 

 

This move is not short sighted by itself. Arguably it has to be done unless we decide to trade Petey and Hughes and start a rebuild cause giving up the next 4 years would be the time frame for a fresh build of the team. 

[24K PureCool]

2 hours ago, wai_lai416 said:

you dont look at the big picture.. in year 3 and 4 which is probably when the team is going to be competitive if they are ever going to be competitive the cap penalty is 4.8mil. the canucks are more than likely going to spend every penny of this cap saving the 7mil this year on a replacement top 4 D.. the 7mil they spend this year.. + the cap penalty in year 3 and 4 essentially we spent 12mil on 1 player. if we didn't buy out OEL.. and then add a 4.8mil defenceman in year 3 and 4 where we are supposively competitive.. even if we have to use OEL as a 3rd pairing guy exclusively.. the defence would be much more competitive than whatever we add this year.. and OEL's cap would be completely off the book or if we are lucky OEL might be on LTIR his final season or 2 which is very possible too. u can hate all you want on OEL as really his advance stats is not as bad as his stats looked thx to atrocious goaltending the entire season. dumb short sighted move with the goal of making the playoff this year without looking at our actual window which is prolly year 3-5

 

Hughes ???

(4.8mil player) Hronek

OEL minimum player

 

or 

 

Hughes ???

(6-7mil replacement for OEL) Hronek

2 minimum bottom 6

Your whole argument lies in your bet that OEL can turn it around next year.  Clearly this front office disagree with that view and we will see how or if he plays next year.

 

Your argument also ignores age related decline by the time year 3 hit. By then he is 34. If he is playing worse then a 3rd pairing d men, what would he be like at 34. You want a $7.2M sitting in the press box vs 4.7M of dead cap? 

 

Also we do not know how PA intend to use the cap space so saying the replacement os even going to be around when year 3 hits has no basis right now and we will have to wait to reserve judgement on it. For all we know we may have a $4.8M player for OEL replacement which makes your whole argument mute. 

 

 

[EastCoastNucks]

On 6/17/2023 at 2:33 PM, CanuckRookieFan said:

No it doesn't because the roaster space OEL gives up will be filled so Aqua and the Canucks are paying a double premium for that defense spot.

 

Anyone who understands business of hockey will see that this is the final gamble by Aqua this is the largest buy out in NHL history and will be super expensive for the club, I see a lot of cost cutting measures being implemented over the next few years to survive the 10% immediate revenue hit to the organization.bottom line.

What if OEL and agent do right by agreeing to 3 years at 900k per year, since we are paying him the over 2mil per year for 8 and cap hit anyways..... is OEL gonna get a contract anywhere else?

maybe we eat our pie but get a desert still

 

[Odd.]

Sorry just woke up from a 5 year long coma, we bought out OEL? 

[EastCoastNucks]

Is there any rule about a team signing a UFA that they just bought out? Canucks are already paying OEL till 2031 now, so can we get him for 900k for 4 years? No one else would want him, we want him and already gonna pay over 2.5 mil per year to not have him @10 MIL per year...... can we re-negociate with agent and OEL for a fair deal on cap and salary? considering what we are already going to suffer?

 

 

[EastCoastNucks]

Just now, EastCoastNucks said:

Is there any rule about a team signing a UFA that they just bought out? Canucks are already paying OEL till 2031 now, so can we get him for 900k for 4 years? No one else would want him, we want him and already gonna pay over 2.5 mil per year to not have him @10 MIL per year...... can we re-negociate with agent and OEL for a fair deal on cap and salary? considering what we are already going to suffer?

 

 

Lets get some OEL guilt going....

 

[chon derry]

4 minutes ago, Odd. said:

Sorry just woke up from a 5 year long coma, we bought out OEL? 

No you’ve been gone for 20, Bo came back 12 years ago as a free agent

[DownUndaCanuck]

5 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Size does matter…

 

 

Bit unfair to just exclude our biggest defenceman for no reason...considering he played 20 mins last year...

 

Even with Myers though we're tiny and more importantly play soft. Myers doesn't crush guys the way he could. Even Hronek is tiny compared to some of the big boys in the playoffs.

 

We need to be looking to complement Hughes and Hronek with 2 beasts. 

 

Graves is big but far from a physical juggernaut but he sure would help, then just one more piece...not going to be easy. Reinabacher's already 6 foot 185 lbs...

[ilduce39]

16 minutes ago, Odd. said:

Sorry just woke up from a 5 year long coma, we bought out OEL? 

I have some bad news about Jake Virtanen and Olli Juolevi

[EastCoastNucks]

1 hour ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

Why are we assuming we're spending $5-6 million on a replacement for OEL?

We're going to have to look for Vet's or young players to be our top 7 D-men.

Guys like Erik Gustafsson was fine until he went to Toronto. And he made $800,000 last season. He got 38 points in 61 games for the Caps.

We need to find value signings. Not go after the big names.

If guys like Soucy have an affordable contract, that's fine too.

We have to look for other guys like Schenn, etc.

Guys with bang for the buck, and work on starting developing defencemen.

Maybe see if we can trade some wingers for defencemen that are ready to make the jump from the minors to the NHL.

 

Can we replace the 10 million OEL with a 900k OEL with a new contract? I mean, OEL was ok, especially when paired with Bear. He played like a 2 million player at least. so with the buyout cap hit and salary hit over the next 8 years, can we just re-hire him at a minimal contract when he and his agent both know what he is worth?

[mordekai]

2 hours ago, tas said:

how are we even defining average? mean? median? is that sensible?

In this specific scenario, the average, median and mean of the Canucks are all 6ft

[EastCoastNucks]

8 minutes ago, DownUndaCanuck said:

Bit unfair to just exclude our biggest defenceman for no reason...considering he played 20 mins last year...

 

Even with Myers though we're tiny and more importantly play soft. Myers doesn't crush guys the way he could. Even Hronek is tiny compared to some of the big boys in the playoffs.

 

We need to be looking to complement Hughes and Hronek with 2 beasts. 

 

Graves is big but far from a physical juggernaut but he sure would help, then just one more piece...not going to be easy. Reinabacher's already 6 foot 185 lbs...

to me, it seems like Myers and OEL both were tentative compared to how they played for jets and yotes. they both knew they were getting overpaid on a new team with better men, like Edler and even boys like Hughes

[Elias Pettersson]

24 minutes ago, ilduce39 said:

I have some bad news about Jake Virtanen and Olli Juolevi

 

[SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME]

21 minutes ago, EastCoastNucks said:

Can we replace the 10 million OEL with a 900k OEL with a new contract? I mean, OEL was ok, especially when paired with Bear. He played like a 2 million player at least. so with the buyout cap hit and salary hit over the next 8 years, can we just re-hire him at a minimal contract when he and his agent both know what he is worth?

I think you have to wait one season before you can sign a player you’ve bought out. But it would be interesting. Maybe the Sedins can use their Swedish charms to sweet talk OEL back on a $1M deal for 2024-25? 

[Pure961089]

The Canucks defense has gotten better simply with he departure of OEL.  Hirose had already replaced OEL's roster spot. With OEL gone it means they can give other defencemen that ice time. That's an immediate improvement to anything OEL was providing last year.

 

[KelownaCanucksFan]

Benning will go down as one of the worst Gm’s in this teams history and the ekman Larsson trade will be exhibit 1, what a dumb trade that was. The buyout was inevitable, maybe there is no buyers for Boeser or Garland without attaching sweeteners 

[EastCoastNucks]

47 minutes ago, Pure961089 said:

The Canucks defense has gotten better simply with he departure of OEL.  Hirose had already replaced OEL's roster spot. With OEL gone it means they can give other defencemen that ice time. That's an immediate improvement to anything OEL was providing last year.

 

I actually disagree with you, although I agree room is needed for others to play top pairing. but OEL was great with Bear, so maybe bottom pair? The only thing that was bad about OEL was his contract. He was just not worth the 8 MiL cap hit and the 10 Mil salary. But since we already paid the piper, would you agree we would be happy to add him at 900K per year for 4 years? playing with Schenn at 1.2 M? they will both be free agents this summer.

[wai_lai416]

2 hours ago, 24K PureCool said:

Your whole argument lies in your bet that OEL can turn it around next year.  Clearly this front office disagree with that view and we will see how or if he plays next year.

 

Your argument also ignores age related decline by the time year 3 hit. By then he is 34. If he is playing worse then a 3rd pairing d men, what would he be like at 34. You want a $7.2M sitting in the press box vs 4.7M of dead cap? 

 

Also we do not know how PA intend to use the cap space so saying the replacement os even going to be around when year 3 hits has no basis right now and we will have to wait to reserve judgement on it. For all we know we may have a $4.8M player for OEL replacement which makes your whole argument mute. 

 

 

No not really even if he doesn’t turn it around he’s still way better option than any 3rd pairing defenceman out there. Having him as a 3rd pair and then using what would have been his cap penalty in year 3 and 4 for another defenceman is way better than having equivalent of 12 mil committed to 1 player assuming they use up all his cap on a defenseman which is very likely considering how our defence look. Again OEL main partner last season is the guy you guys all are screaming crying whining and b*tching about every single day for the last 3 years in Myers. Ever consider Myers plays a big role in why OEL looks so bad? Or are you going to say well defensive partners shouldn’t affect how a player look? Coz if I recall a lot of you were calling Hughes trash and ready to trade him after his 2nd season because he doesn’t have a partner that compatible? 
 

let say we commit the 6-7 mil on a defenceman now to replace OEL add the 4.8mil cap hit then on top of that we need to add the cost of whatever 3rd pairing defenceman they get anywhere from 800k could be up to 2mil. Which would end up 13-14mil cap taken up. For the players and cap penalty. Pretty sure I’ll be happier with OEL as a bottom pair and use the equivalent of 6-7mil on a defenceman or multiple defenceman or other parts of the team. 
 

Those that are so happy with the OEL trade is so short sighted and don’t look past just the cap saving. You can hate on OEL all u want but he’s definitely way better than any 1-1.5mil players on the 3rd pairing 

 

and age decline? Oh so why do we still have miller? He’ll be 33-34 too in year 3 and 4 of the cap penalty and we are paying him 9% of the teams cap? And he’s not even thru the first half of his contract by then?

Edited June 19, 2023 by wai_lai416