Elias Pettersson Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 3 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Exactly. Isn’t this exactly what Benning was doing? Yes. However, even Benning was able to acquire the superstars plus a top goalie. Hughes hasn't done any of that even though he's had a #1 overall pick... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 42 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Still spending way too much for a team that could (and should) very well finish bottom 10 again. Top 5 prospect pool? Hardly. They barely have a better pool than the Canucks. I would say we have prospects just as good in every position except maybe center. Granted I haven't seen any rankings since the draft. But over the past year all the rankings I've seen have had Montreal's prospect pool in the top 10 whereas Vancouver has generally been rated very poor. I've seen as high as 17 but as low as 28. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 4 minutes ago, qwijibo said: Granted I haven't seen any rankings since the draft. But over the past year all the rankings I've seen have had Montreal's prospect pool in the top 10 whereas Vancouver has generally been rated very poor. I've seen as high as 17 but as low as 28. Those rankings always rank teams higher if they pick higher, doesn’t mean they have better players. It’s all hype. I would compare any of their top 4 prospects to our top 4 of Lekkeramaki, Willander, Pettersson, and Silovs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 5 minutes ago, qwijibo said: Granted I haven't seen any rankings since the draft. But over the past year all the rankings I've seen have had Montreal's prospect pool in the top 10 whereas Vancouver has generally been rated very poor. I've seen as high as 17 but as low as 28. How many missed top picks in the last two years by the Habaroos? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 Just now, Alflives said: How many missed top picks in the last two years by the Habaroos? Reinbacher could very well be a top pairing guy but definitely not a lock. Could end up being a solid 3/4. I would say the same thing about Willander who we got at 11. As for Slafkovsky clearly they were enamoured by his size but he’s a big old question mark for me. Lekkeramaki could very well develop better than him at this point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 3 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Reinbacher could very well be a top pairing guy but definitely not a lock. Could end up being a solid 3/4. I would say the same thing about Willander who we got at 11. As for Slafkovsky clearly they were enamoured by his size but he’s a big old question mark for me. Lekkeramaki could very well develop better than him at this point. The Slafkoski pick reminds me of when the Habs took Wickenheiser. And Reinbacher is even worse. Two terrible picks in a row. Hughes is just continuing his incredible terrible top 10 drafting from his Raggedy Andy days. The Habs could have Wright and Michkov! Michkov Suzuki Wright That would be an amazing top three centres. Instead they have Suzuki. And that’s it. They are so Benning. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 1 hour ago, qwijibo said: With LTIR they have rough $7m in cap space for this seadon. The cap is expected to rise significantly next season. So yes. They have cap space. As far as prospects go they have a top 5 prospects pool right now. They have NHL quality prospects at every position. They're still lacking superstar talent but moving Savard isn't likely to bring in an asset that will get them that. Draft capital wise they have 21 picks in the next 2 drafts. It always makes me shake my head but there is a large portion of posters that feel the need to incorrectly denigrate other teams. I think it's some weird form of trying to make themselves feel better about the Canucks. All through my life in sports I practice the opposite and always try to give others credit where credit is due. You tend to win more when you respect your opposition and try to better yourself instead of hoping others are worse. Anyways, it seems to me that the Habs clearly have all of those things going for them now and are proceeding with slowly building up their team until it makes sense to push a little harder. Good job from their front office the last couple of years. Hopefully that Slafovsky pick comes along for you though. I haven't really been following that. Is he looking like a bad pick or is it just a matter of waiting for development? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 26 minutes ago, qwijibo said: Granted I haven't seen any rankings since the draft. But over the past year all the rankings I've seen have had Montreal's prospect pool in the top 10 whereas Vancouver has generally been rated very poor. I've seen as high as 17 but as low as 28. Let me introduce you to my friends. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 3 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said: It always makes me shake my head but there is a large portion of posters that feel the need to incorrectly denigrate other teams. I think it's some weird form of trying to make themselves feel better about the Canucks. All through my life in sports I practice the opposite and always try to give others credit where credit is due. You tend to win more when you respect your opposition and try to better yourself instead of hoping others are worse. Anyways, it seems to me that the Habs clearly have all of those things going for them now and are proceeding with slowly building up their team until it makes sense to push a little harder. Good job from their front office the last couple of years. Hopefully that Slafovsky pick comes along for you though. I haven't really been following that. Is he looking like a bad pick or is it just a matter of waiting for development? He probably should have spent time in the minors. Generally I think it's a mistake to rush any 18 year old kid into the show. He was showing signs of aclimating to the north American game when he got hurt and was shut down for the year. Montreal was inundated with injuries last year with only Suzuki managing to play 82 games. As a result there was a lot of player and line juggling. Slafkovsky should show much better this season if he's able to come to camp healthy. Personally I'd love to see them start him in Laval to let him get a lot of ice time and build his confidence back up. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 (edited) cap space, Prospect pool 4. Montreal Canadiens Top three prospects: David Reinbacher, Lane Hutson, Filip Mesar Top pick in 2023: David Reinbacher From an organizational standpoint, Montreal’s blueline is brimming with potential. From Jordan Harris, Justin Barron, Kaiden Guhle and Arber Xhekaj who all spent time in the NHL this season, to Reinbacher and Hutson who are perhaps the best prospects of the bunch, it’s obscene depth. Then there’s the talented but problematic Logan Mailloux, who was inexplicably picked and signed. Hutson’s skillset is off the charts, while Reinbacher was the most NHL-ready defender in this year’s draft. Up front, Owen Beck, Joshua Roy, Filip Mesar and Sean Farrell will all challenge for roster spots at camp, looking to add to the young core in Montreal. 21 picks in the next 2 drafts. - draft capital Edited August 16, 2023 by qwijibo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 2 hours ago, Alflives said: The Slafkoski pick reminds me of when the Habs took Wickenheiser. And Reinbacher is even worse. Two terrible picks in a row. Hughes is just continuing his incredible terrible top 10 drafting from his Raggedy Andy days. The Habs could have Wright and Michkov! Michkov Suzuki Wright That would be an amazing top three centres. Instead they have Suzuki. And that’s it. They are so Benning. Michkov isn't a centre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biff Tannen Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 18 hours ago, Drakrami said: Better prospects than Woo have slipped through the waivers. But then again, we have Gadjovich get claimed. So i'd say no one knows, it's 50/50 lol... Fair point. In my addled brain I thought Gadjovich had played much more than 1 game for Van, but internet says otherwise. Maybe PA is playing 4D chess and the only reason Woo wasn't called up last season was to sneak him through waivers this year. Incidently, I'm assuming Jonah's 17 PIM/GP is a Canucks record? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 6 hours ago, qwijibo said: cap space, Prospect pool 4. Montreal Canadiens Top three prospects: David Reinbacher, Lane Hutson, Filip Mesar Top pick in 2023: David Reinbacher From an organizational standpoint, Montreal’s blueline is brimming with potential. From Jordan Harris, Justin Barron, Kaiden Guhle and Arber Xhekaj who all spent time in the NHL this season, to Reinbacher and Hutson who are perhaps the best prospects of the bunch, it’s obscene depth. Then there’s the talented but problematic Logan Mailloux, who was inexplicably picked and signed. Hutson’s skillset is off the charts, while Reinbacher was the most NHL-ready defender in this year’s draft. Up front, Owen Beck, Joshua Roy, Filip Mesar and Sean Farrell will all challenge for roster spots at camp, looking to add to the young core in Montreal. 21 picks in the next 2 drafts. - draft capital LTIR space isn’t exactly the cap space I was talking about. They’re still spending to be a bottom 15 team. Those prospects are a bunch of meh. Every team has prospects on their level. For a team that’s rebuilding it’s really not impressive. As for the future picks we’ll see where the playoff teams they got them from finish. Might be more quantity rather than quality. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 3 hours ago, DeNiro said: LTIR space isn’t exactly the cap space I was talking about. They’re still spending to be a bottom 15 team. Those prospects are a bunch of meh. Every team has prospects on their level. For a team that’s rebuilding it’s really not impressive. As for the future picks we’ll see where the playoff teams they got them from finish. Might be more quantity rather than quality. LTIR space and cap space are two completely different things. LTIR space is only used when you run out of cap space. Being in LTIR during the season limits the amount of moves you can make and it also stops you from banking real cap space so you can make trades, especially at the trade deadline. Probably the worst thing that can happen to a non playoff team is to be in LTIR. Montreal can’t make any moves now and weaponize cap space to get picks and prospects. They don’t have a lot of cap space next year either unless they plan to run on LTIR again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 20 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: LTIR space and cap space are two completely different things. LTIR space is only used when you run out of cap space. Being in LTIR during the season limits the amount of moves you can make and it also stops you from banking real cap space so you can make trades, especially at the trade deadline. Probably the worst thing that can happen to a non playoff team is to be in LTIR. Montreal can’t make any moves now and weaponize cap space to get picks and prospects. They don’t have a lot of cap space next year either unless they plan to run on LTIR again. Montreal is closer to being under the cap without the use of LTIR than Vancouver is. They can be under the cap with a 22 man roster. That'll leave them $10m of ltir to use this season if need be. Next year they may not even need to use LTIR. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 8 minutes ago, qwijibo said: Montreal is closer to being under the cap without the use of LTIR than Vancouver is. They can be under the cap with a 22 man roster. That'll leave them $10m of ltir to use this season if need be. Next year they may not even need to use LTIR. Sure. But Vancouver has completed their rebuild or retool. They are shooting for the playoffs this year. They aren’t in the business of collecting picks and prospects anymore. So it doesn’t matter to them if they are in LTIR, which they will be for two more seasons. I’m assuming Montreal is still trying to build their team, or are you suggesting they are done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 9 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Sure. But Vancouver has completed their rebuild or retool. They are shooting for the playoffs this year. They aren’t in the business of collecting picks and prospects anymore. So it doesn’t matter to them if they are in LTIR, which they will be for two more seasons. I’m assuming Montreal is still trying to build their team, or are you suggesting they are done? No. Montreal is still building. And they have plenty of cap space, draft capital and prospects to utilize towards that end. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 6 hours ago, DeNiro said: LTIR space isn’t exactly the cap space I was talking about. They’re still spending to be a bottom 15 team. Those prospects are a bunch of meh. Every team has prospects on their level. For a team that’s rebuilding it’s really not impressive. As for the future picks we’ll see where the playoff teams they got them from finish. Might be more quantity rather than quality. If it’s Hughes and Gorton drafting the Habs will continue to draft bad, especially with their top picks. Bustaroo Habs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilunga Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 15 hours ago, King Heffy said: Michkov isn't a centre. Tell that to SKA St.Petersburg https://broadstreetbuzz.com/2023/08/03/flyers-michkov-learn-center-watching-crosby/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 6 hours ago, Alflives said: If it’s Hughes and Gorton drafting the Habs will continue to draft bad, especially with their top picks. Bustaroo Habs. They did have an impressive streak of top 10 busts didn’t they? Too early to call Kakko and Lafreniere busts but certainly you would hope they’d be in your top 6 by age 21/22 considering where they were drafted. Good thing they had two picks those years and kind of made up for it with Miller and Chytil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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