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Posted 19 December 2012 - 05:01 AM

Schultz is just a product of the Edmonton over-hype CDCers seem to love. RNH, Eberle and Schultz are playing in the AHL and the Barons are 4th in their division and 7th in the conference (3 points ahead of the Wolves with 2 more GP). All those guys can put up points, but if that's all there was to success, they'd be destroying the AHL. A quick look at Schultz' stats show that he's raking in assists thanks to Eberle who just pulled in a 4 goal game. He's just getting his numbers bolstered, hereby referred to as "getting Hodgsoned".


This is so wrong on so many levels. You're aware that Justin Schultz has more than TWICE the goals of Zack Kassian (the next Milan Lucic), right? 14 goals in 26 games, and you're whining that he's "raking in assists"? Hilarious. In fact, Justin Schultz has as many goals as the next Milan Lucic has points! Explain that one to me. Might want to check your facts before posting.

As for "getting Hodgsoned", that is equally laughable. An emotional GM's outburst after making a critical error are not words that should be carried with any weight. "Manipulating his numbers" is a joke, and that whole event was a colossal embarrassment for this organization.
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 05:19 AM

Schultz was making demands for top minutes, and the Canucks were not willing to make that commitment to him. You asked earlier to name one thing that the Canucks offered to Schultz.

How about honesty?

I'm wondering how many other GM's would have been as honest with Schultz about his prospects with the team? Or do you believe Gillis should have lied? Yes, that would be something which would attract a lot of future UFA's to come here.


What a bunch of crap. "Demands for top minutes" - says who? Seriously, that excuse needs to die. Do you really think that there's a clause in his contract that says that Edmonton is forced to give him these minutes? Of course there's not.

Stop the nonsense, please.
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 05:20 AM

One would think, and yet Schultz signed with the Oilers.

One might argue that Schultz could win a Cup with either team, but it seems to me that he would have a surer bet of winning one sooner with the Canucks than with the Oilers. And there is always the possibility that the Oilers fall apart as guys hit RFA/UFA status.


Oh, and that possibility doesn't exist with your Vancouver Canucks? :lol:
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 05:30 AM

Schultz would have been a nice pickup, Gillis probably could have pushed a bit more. Still, as long as Edler stays our D is stacked and Garrison will be beast.

The Cody-Kassian trade, yea big fail there. This isn't a trade to be judged 5 years from now, it has already backfired. We got booted out of the 1st round and missed a shot at a cup. Cody was exactly the type of player to turn that series around. All of the games were close, with his PP time and knack for scoring clutch goals in big games it's not a stretch at all to say we could have beaten LA with Coho. Really, I see us winning in 6.

With Cody we would have had a more set lineup, not the revolving mess of randomness we saw in each PO game.

Replacement for Daniel on the PP, maybe we don't give up SH goals by the handful and actually score a goal instead. Good chance at splitting the first two games, maybe even taking both.

Cody had an excellent shot, one of the few players (especially without Daniel) who could expose Quicks premature and low stance. Even just a couple points from him and we are heading into game 5 up 3-1 rather than down. With him and Daniel I don't see us losing game 5 and at worst I think we take it in 6. No one after the Kings was stopping us.

Im not a big Cody fan and really like Kassian but DAMN. His trade destroyed our chance at a cup, that isn't worth Kassian even if he turns into a far better player (not likely). Add Keslers injury, seriously how do you trade an offensive center when you know your 2C is hurt???? Now we lack prospects & centre depth. There isn't 1 thing that went right with this. Cody could get hit by a bus today and it would still be a terrible trade. How Gillis has managed to duck responsibility for it is beyond me.


With Cody in our lineup and Schneider in net from the beginning, I agree we probably win the series. However I am not sure if we cruise to the Stanley Cup.
Our next opponent would've been Nashville and assuming we got through them, we would then draw either St.Louis or Phoenix in the conference final. If we made it to the SCF again, I'd have to think that every previous series would be at least 6 games with the Canucks being even more worn out than they were in the 2011 final.
No matter what might've happened, I just dont really believe a Stanley Cup was in the cards for us last year.
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 05:41 AM

Canucks mistake in hindsight - naming Luongo team captain. Ridiculous.
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 05:52 AM

<p>Just started to think back now on some critical organizational decisions made the past few years and thinking whether decisions made/not made in the new regime are coming back to bite us?

1) Schultz - tearing up the AHL, and while there was a push, decides on the Oilers; now knowing Edler/Garrison have injury issues and K-Conn is having an average year....did not getting him and being with another conference team going to cost us?
2) Luongo and his contract - at first everyone loved his contract and now with the murky new CBA, he may never be offloaded or if he does get traded, is dealt for less than he could of been...was his massive contract going to hamper the team's needs?
3)Hodgson - no need to go into this one; but with Kesler battling 'major injuries' and rumors he's still a ways away/may never regain his former game (wrist/shoulder injuries) plus add the fact we traded him for another 'question mark' - did it not make sense to either get back a centermen or keep Hodgson as C depth that appears needed now?
4)Drafting Pat McNally - was our only high pick that year (no 1st rounder) and now he's developmentally in limbo (Harvard school issues)
5) Sami Pahlsson = waste of a pickup (given away high picks) and then moved to the SEL
6) Corrado = plays well but then gets surprising cut; Gaunce injured and can't even try out for junior tournie = both a step back for development?
7) Lockout = this isn't the teams' fault, but every time there's a decision for the league to do a lockout, the Canucks suffer significantly on the ice(see 94, 04 and TBD for 2012?)

I can only think of one decisions in hindsight which turned out well = acquiring Higgins/Lapierre/Torres who were instrumental in the last cup finals run....There could be more to add to this list that I'm missing, but does it seem lately decisions are not favoring the organization?

1) Schultz wanted a younger group and can't blame him at all, I probably would have made the same decision as him.

2) Luongo has never been the problem and is still a top notch goalie, someone will want him to try and secure a playoff spot.

3) Hodgson never fit on this team, end of story.

4) How were you supposed to know he would get himself into trouble?

5) Wasn't Sami traded for a couple 4th rounders? Those aren't overly high picks and quite often don't pan out anyways...

6) Corrado was basically the last cut from a Canadian junior team that has players on it who should probably be playing in the NHL and he was a 5th round pick who was virtually unknown and has become a legitimate player now. Every player cut from the Canadian team this year should not be dissapointed with who is brought back to play on the team. Guance got hurt, stuff happens. Think Ryan Murray is going to take a step back too in his development by not playing in the junior tournament too?

7) Lockout effects ALOT more teams than just the Canucks. See Calgary and Tampa after going to the cup final the year before the lockout.
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 08:09 AM

This is so wrong on so many levels. You're aware that Justin Schultz has more than TWICE the goals of Zack Kassian (the next Milan Lucic), right? 14 goals in 26 games, and you're whining that he's "raking in assists"? Hilarious. In fact, Justin Schultz has as many goals as the next Milan Lucic has points! Explain that one to me. Might want to check your facts before posting.

As for "getting Hodgsoned", that is equally laughable. An emotional GM's outburst after making a critical error are not words that should be carried with any weight. "Manipulating his numbers" is a joke, and that whole event was a colossal embarrassment for this organization.


Agree, I liked to think that Gillis was the smartest GM in the league for a while there, but he had a bad off season in 2011, an worse 2012 season and the Hodgson fiasco was a disaster. MG should be embarrassed
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 08:23 AM

It's not as easy as you think - just ask Zack Kassian, the next Milan Lucic.

I certainly don't think Kevin Bieksa or Alex Edler would be putting up 1.5 PPG in the AHL, no.

Now you're just making a fool out of yourself. A 50 point D man wouldn't be able to put up 1.5 points per game in the AHL?? Wow, just wow :picard: If I'm not mistaken, 49 points out of 82 games is 0.60 points per game no? Do the math and try to prove me wrong King, try to prove me wrong like you always try to do.
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 08:44 AM

The 3 real mistakes that stand out for me are:

1 Letting Willie Mitchell walk.

2 Letting Raffi Torres walk.

3 Letting Ohlund walk(was that MG?)

Reason at the time was probably sal cap or whatever but in hindsight....

Mitchel was a mistake in hindsight but at the time it was the smartest decision to make at the time with his concussion still being an unresolved issue. Making him an offer that LA made him would have been a big risk. Mitchel clearly didn't take it personally and understood as he still comes to Canucks events.
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 08:44 AM

Now you're just making a fool out of yourself. A 50 point D man wouldn't be able to put up 1.5 points per game in the AHL?? Wow, just wow :picard: If I'm not mistaken, 49 points out of 82 games is 0.60 points per game no? Do the math and try to prove me wrong King, try to prove me wrong like you always try to do.

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 09:38 AM

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 10:42 AM

Schultz would have been a nice pickup, Gillis probably could have pushed a bit more. Still, as long as Edler stays our D is stacked and Garrison will be beast.

The Cody-Kassian trade, yea big fail there. This isn't a trade to be judged 5 years from now, it has already backfired. We got booted out of the 1st round and missed a shot at a cup. Cody was exactly the type of player to turn that series around. All of the games were close, with his PP time and knack for scoring clutch goals in big games it's not a stretch at all to say we could have beaten LA with Coho. Really, I see us winning in 6.

With Cody we would have had a more set lineup, not the revolving mess of randomness we saw in each PO game.

Replacement for Daniel on the PP, maybe we don't give up SH goals by the handful and actually score a goal instead. Good chance at splitting the first two games, maybe even taking both.

Cody had an excellent shot, one of the few players (especially without Daniel) who could expose Quicks premature and low stance. Even just a couple points from him and we are heading into game 5 up 3-1 rather than down. With him and Daniel I don't see us losing game 5 and at worst I think we take it in 6. No one after the Kings was stopping us.

Im not a big Cody fan and really like Kassian but DAMN. His trade destroyed our chance at a cup, that isn't worth Kassian even if he turns into a far better player (not likely). Add Keslers injury, seriously how do you trade an offensive center when you know your 2C is hurt???? Now we lack prospects & centre depth. There isn't 1 thing that went right with this. Cody could get hit by a bus today and it would still be a terrible trade. How Gillis has managed to duck responsibility for it is beyond me.

Please tell us how Cody would turn the series with LA facing Mike Richards every time he was on the ice. That would be the matchup Sutter would dream of and would be Vignaults nightmare.
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 11:12 AM

Now you're just making a fool out of yourself. A 50 point D man wouldn't be able to put up 1.5 points per game in the AHL?? Wow, just wow :picard: If I'm not mistaken, 49 points out of 82 games is 0.60 points per game no? Do the math and try to prove me wrong King, try to prove me wrong like you always try to do.


Not sure if you've ever seen an AHL game, but the league is good. Not at all chump change. The idea that a guy like Kevin Bieksa would waltz into the AHL and put up 1.5 PPG is laughable.

I'll again point out Cody Hodgson as an example. His PPG in the AHL in 2010-11 was .58, whereas his PPG the following year in the NHL as a rookie with the Vancouver Canucks was .52. Not a huge difference. Competition down there is very good, don't kid yourself. What Schultz is doing is very, very special. For context, RNH has 20 points in 19 games. Only 8 goals. Explain that one.
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 11:44 AM

Please tell us how Cody would turn the series with LA facing Mike Richards every time he was on the ice. That would be the matchup Sutter would dream of and would be Vignaults nightmare.


We lost 2 games by 1 goal. Cody's PP time could have earned some points, and likely taken away some or all of the SH goals against. He wouldn't have needed to be a hero, just having a more complete team could have made a huge difference. Kesler could have been matched vs Richards, LA isn't the only team capable of coaching (or maybe they are, ours seemed to forget his star winger was injured). He would not have been worse than Phalsson. That was a nightmare.
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 11:59 AM

Not sure if you've ever seen an AHL game, but the league is good. Not at all chump change. The idea that a guy like Kevin Bieksa would waltz into the AHL and put up 1.5 PPG is laughable.

I'll again point out Cody Hodgson as an example. His PPG in the AHL in 2010-11 was .58, whereas his PPG the following year in the NHL as a rookie with the Vancouver Canucks was .52. Not a huge difference. Competition down there is very good, don't kid yourself. What Schultz is doing is very, very special. For context, RNH has 20 points in 19 games. Only 8 goals. Explain that one.


It's not laughable when you consider him playing with the Sedins in the AHL. Schultz ain't getting 1.5 PPG without Eberle and Nugent-Hopkins.

Hmm, you don't think it had to do with the fact that Hodgson was another year older, had another year to develop, and trained hard in the summer? The fact that he put up similar PPG total the following season in the NHL doesn't mean the competition between the AHL and NHL is anywhere close to each other. I think the fact that he slotted onto a President's trophy winning team helped a little.
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 12:01 PM

It does seem that since the deals that brought Higgins and Lappy, a majority of deals have created more problems than they solved.

For example;

On face value Higgins is better than Torres. But add in Manny's injury situation and our third line certainly does not offer the physical wall which could take on any top line defensively.

Edler has replaced Erhoff's scoring, but we no longer have the deadly breakout which made us the top scoring team in the league, nor do we acquire the zone (without his puck carrying skills) on the PP as well. Garrison will add some needed dimensions, but we still lack a guy who can lug the puck! It makes us susceptible to pressure and we spend more of our time playing defense. For the record; this NOT a forward to make Kesler effective is BY FAR our biggest need!

Booth added speed and physicality, but suddenly we were desperate for a large RW in our top 6 and we never yet iced the skater (Kassian may become) who intimidates and punishes opposing teams. And will Kassian get there while the Twins are still elite players?

Who is going to supply the puck control and passing Samuelsson and Hodgson were offering behind our first line?

Garrison is a blessing! He helps in many ways; no downside here.

Still need a bone crunching depth player at right D and right wing...

Many holes still... How many can we fill trading Lou?




A few years ago I really liked the direction we were headed in. The goal was clear - we had an all star goalie who needed some support around him, so that what we went out and got. We got Ehrhoff, Hamhuis, Ballard, Malhotra, etc all in an attempt to play a "D first" mentality. In addition, our stars were starting to shine up front so goal scoring wasn't a concern.

Now all of a sudden we have a changing of the guard in net, our top scorers have been shut down in critical playoff games for the past two seasons, and we have no real notable players coming up from the farm. We traded away our prized prospect, and we still get run and beaten up physically by all the other teams.

Our biggest problem is that our core is not getting any younger and we don't have any up and coming players who can take over the role of "core players" in a few seasons.

It remains to be seen how we stack up once hockey gets going again, but I can't help but feel that we missed our window of opportunity and that the window won't come again till a whole rebuild takes place again.


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Posted 19 December 2012 - 12:15 PM

I do not agree with the post you responded to which suggested Hodgson would have been enough to carry us past LA.

BUT I do not agree with your post either; Richards was the effectively chosen match up against Kesler by Sutter and Kopitars line was matched against the Twins. Hodgson would have relatively free to ply his trade against depth players as Sutter was not going to leave the Kesler match up. And CoHo showed all year he could take advantage of depth match ups.

That alone probably would not have carried us over the Kings, but look at it this way; LA traded a dynamic prospect just like Hodgson in the package for Richards. Had we been ahead of Bryz in the pre-season, perhaps we could have traded Lou and CoHo for Richards and Carter? That change in match ups (and we would still have had Samuelsson, cuz we could not have afforded Booth) and we win handily. The Hodgson trade was still a factor which hurt us.

More realistically had we simply converted Hodgson into something that could compete with Richards???

The reality is LA converted their prospects into a pieces that helped them contend not prospects which were several years from helping! Their GM gave them a better chance to win.

Please tell us how Cody would turn the series with LA facing Mike Richards every time he was on the ice. That would be the matchup Sutter would dream of and would be Vignaults nightmare.


Edited by Canuck Surfer, 19 December 2012 - 12:23 PM.

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 12:46 PM

The general concept is that Schultz's skills first get the puck to the offensive zone when it might not otherwise.

Then keep the puck in the offensive zone as sustained pressure...

Then a depleted, tired and worn out opposing defensive crew are forced to take chances and centre ice draws after goals as they are playing from behind and we pick them apart!

Right now the game he was playing in the NHL last year, I could see Edler stepping up for like PPG. But still, I doubt Schultz defensive game is up to par where AV wants it.


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Posted 19 December 2012 - 12:59 PM

I do not agree with the post you responded to which suggested Hodgson would have been enough to carry us past LA.

BUT I do not agree with your post either; Richards was the effectively chosen match up against Kesler by Sutter and Kopitars line was matched against the Twins. Hodgson would have relatively free to ply his trade against depth players as Sutter was not going to leave the Kesler match up. And CoHo showed all year he could take advantage of depth match ups.

That alone probably would not have carried us over the Kings, but look at it this way; LA traded a dynamic prospect just like Hodgson in the package for Richards. Had we been ahead of Bryz in the pre-season, perhaps we could have traded Lou and CoHo for Richards and Carter? That change in match ups (and we would still have had Samuelsson, cuz we could not have afforded Booth) and we win handily. The Hodgson trade was still a factor which hurt us.

More realistically had we simply converted Hodgson into something that could compete with Richards???

The reality is LA converted their prospects into a pieces that helped them contend not prospects which were several years from helping! Their GM gave them a better chance to win.

LA played like crap all year but gelled at the right time and their GM was by a lot of reports going to be axed. His biggest move was to hire Sutter who got Richards and Carter and the rest of their team to play to their abilities, almost polar opposite of what Vignault did with the Canucks the last 20 games and the series with the Kings.
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 01:51 PM

AV drew names out of a hat to make the line before each Playoff game. Broke up the Lappy-Hank-Burr line that had been successful after Daniels injury. Threw Booth in with the twins with zero game experience. It's like he flat out forgot Daniel wasn't playing, i know hes got a twin and you see him everyday at practice...but cmon man.
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 01:51 PM

LA was a pre-season favorite, playing great defense and not scoring. Hiring another defensive coach was a seriously risky move. No doubt the GM's job was on the on line!

But give credit where credit was due; obviously he and Sutter sat down and decided they still had enough offence on the blue line in Doughty and traded a depth offensive D man (Jack Johnson) for a goal scorer. Funny thing happened, they continued to play great defence, but started scoring goals. Before the season, they traded prospects for a 2knd line centre they needed (rather than wait for the prospect) on a long term contract, who has both been an all star and led a team to the SCF. They planned how they would add offense to the team as the year went on and executed the plan.

We had 4 left wings (Danny, Burr, Higgins and debatably Raymond plus our top prospect Jensen) capable of playing Top 6 minutes and only 1 natural RW (Samuelsson). So we traded our only right wing for ANOTHER left wing in Booth "to play with Ryan Kesler." Then we had to trade our only secondary play maker for Kassian to play on the right wing. And he sat in the press box because in reality he is too raw a prospect. Nor did Booth make Kesler effective. Our plans on all key acquisitions did not generate any of the desired results and left us with unfulfilled roles.

Can you honestly debate whether Gillis was as effective as LA's GM this year?

LA played like crap all year but gelled at the right time and their GM was by a lot of reports going to be axed. His biggest move was to hire Sutter who got Richards and Carter and the rest of their team to play to their abilities, almost polar opposite of what Vignault did with the Canucks the last 20 games and the series with the Kings.


Edited by Canuck Surfer, 19 December 2012 - 01:55 PM.

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 02:18 PM

LA was a pre-season favorite, playing great defense and not scoring. Hiring another defensive coach was a seriously risky move. No doubt the GM's job was on the on line!

But give credit where credit was due; obviously he and Sutter sat down and decided they still had enough offence on the blue line in Doughty and traded a depth offensive D man (Jack Johnson) for a goal scorer. Funny thing happened, they continued to play great defence, but started scoring goals. Before the season, they traded prospects for a 2knd line centre they needed (rather than wait for the prospect) on a long term contract, who has both been an all star and led a team to the SCF. They planned how they would add offense to the team as the year went on and executed the plan.

We had 4 left wings (Danny, Burr, Higgins and debatably Raymond plus our top prospect Jensen) capable of playing Top 6 minutes and only 1 natural RW (Samuelsson). So we traded our only right wing for ANOTHER left wing in Booth "to play with Ryan Kesler." Then we had to trade our only secondary play maker for Kassian to play on the right wing. And he sat in the press box because in reality he is too raw a prospect. Nor did Booth make Kesler effective. Our plans on all key acquisitions did not generate any of the desired results and left us with unfulfilled roles.

Can you honestly debate whether Gillis was as effective as LA's GM this year?

Yes i think he is as effective as Lombardi albeit a little more conservative. The Canucks were also picked very high by the pundits to repeat but that is very very hard to do. After the big game in Boston both the Canucks and Bruins hit the wall hard and never really recouverd. I would like to of seen what the Kings would have done this year with a target on their back like the Canucks had last year.
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 02:41 PM

It's not laughable when you consider him playing with the Sedins in the AHL. Schultz ain't getting 1.5 PPG without Eberle and Nugent-Hopkins.


Nugent-Hopkins has roughly half of the points that Schultz has. Who's carrying who?

And if all it takes is a couple of good established NHLers to boost up somebody's value, why isn't anybody on the Adriondack Phantoms, with Brayden Schenn and Sean Couturier, putting up similar numbers?

Hmm, you don't think it had to do with the fact that Hodgson was another year older, had another year to develop, and trained hard in the summer? The fact that he put up similar PPG total the following season in the NHL doesn't mean the competition between the AHL and NHL is anywhere close to each other. I think the fact that he slotted onto a President's trophy winning team helped a little.


Age/development was a factor, sure, but I'm not sure that it was much of one. AHL season ends, NHL's training camp is really not that far behind. And let's not forget that Cody almost didn't make our team. He had a bad camp, and you could say that he didn't deserve a spot on the roster. As for the President's Trophy winning team, he was playing 11 minutes per game! Not exactly a glowing opportunity.

The point is that you're discounting what Schultz is doing, for really no other reason than hatred/bitterness towards him signing with a division rival. You're the guy who goes on and on about people "underestimating" our prospects, yet you're denying what Schultz is doing while putting blind faith in guys like:
  • Kevin Connauton - 2 goals, 8 points, and a -10 rating in 23 games. This is your future PP QB?
  • Anton Rodin - 1 goal in 18 games played? Coming in at a weight of approximately 137 pounds?
  • Alexandre Mallet - 0 points in 13 games played? This is your overage/ready-to-contribute 2nd round pick?
  • Yann Sauve - 1 point in 12 games played. Another 2nd round pick.
Even Kassian & Schroeder, both have been benched, and neither have asserted themselves as leaders for the team. 14 points in 23 games for Jordan Schroeder, who's 5'3"? Let me ask you - who are we "underestimating"?
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 02:44 PM

Garrison is a blessing! He helps in many ways; no downside here.


You're going to regret those words.
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 02:49 PM

Yes i think he is as effective as Lombardi albeit a little more conservative. The Canucks were also picked very high by the pundits to repeat but that is very very hard to do. After the big game in Boston both the Canucks and Bruins hit the wall hard and never really recouverd. I would like to of seen what the Kings would have done this year with a target on their back like the Canucks had last year.


Gillis' critical error (besides the Hodgson move) lay in not trading Cory Schneider last year for more help. Maybe we could've got Nash, maybe we could've got Jeff Carter, etc. And maybe whatever supplement that was could've pushed us over the top.

You don't have many opportunities as the PT winner, may as well go balls out, IMO. Big mistake.
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 03:04 PM

This is so wrong on so many levels. You're aware that Justin Schultz has more than TWICE the goals of Zack Kassian (the next Milan Lucic), right? 14 goals in 26 games, and you're whining that he's "raking in assists"? Hilarious. In fact, Justin Schultz has as many goals as the next Milan Lucic has points! Explain that one to me. Might want to check your facts before posting.

As for "getting Hodgsoned", that is equally laughable. An emotional GM's outburst after making a critical error are not words that should be carried with any weight. "Manipulating his numbers" is a joke, and that whole event was a colossal embarrassment for this organization.


You think Kassian is the next Lucic? I don't. I expect him to have relatively slow improvement this year since he was rushed into play by Buffalo with very little development. Nice straw man argument though. I think this is really just all a cover for your man-crush on Schultz. You should do your hair up real nice and ask him out.

As for the Hodgsoned comment, you clearly have no idea what to do with stats like Corsi and zone start percentages. Go back to playing with your GI Joes kid, you're embarrassing yourself here.
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 03:13 PM

Gillis' critical error (besides the Hodgson move) lay in not trading Cory Schneider last year for more help. Maybe we could've got Nash, maybe we could've got Jeff Carter, etc. And maybe whatever supplement that was could've pushed us over the top.

You don't have many opportunities as the PT winner, may as well go balls out, IMO. Big mistake.


So in your world, a player that pretty much all our guys hate like Jeff Carter should have been acquired? Let's get Duncan Keith and Dave Bolland while we're at it. I'm sure that would go over well. And your other option is Nash, a player who was going to be a free agent in a few months, and wanted a payday we couldn't afford. Your brain operates in a realm very far removed from reality.
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 04:10 PM

You think Kassian is the next Lucic? I don't. I expect him to have relatively slow improvement this year since he was rushed into play by Buffalo with very little development. Nice straw man argument though. I think this is really just all a cover for your man-crush on Schultz. You should do your hair up real nice and ask him out.


Rushed in to play? He was a high draft pick in 2009. Same development path as Cody's.

If you don't think Kassian is the next Lucic, what is he? The next Bernier? What exactly do you expect out of Zack Kassian? And if your expectations aren't high, I'll assume that you think the move was a mistake?

And the man-crush on Schultz, honestly, just stop. What's ridiculous is the blatant denial that so many Canuck fans seem to have as to what's going on. Blind faith in a guy like Kevin Connauton, but Justin Schultz sucks and he wouldn't be a good fit here and he's a prima-donna and his stats are padded by his linemates and he wouldn't get any ice-time here and, and, and...

As for the Hodgsoned comment, you clearly have no idea what to do with stats like Corsi and zone start percentages. Go back to playing with your GI Joes kid, you're embarrassing yourself here.


Guess what? He still has to get the points! That's like whining about somebody who's points are heavily weighted by the PP time that they're given. Who cares? Did he still get the points? Did he still contribute?

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 04:15 PM

That's ironic,DeNiro.

"Over hyping needs to stop?" You are kidding us? Tell me you are kidding us.

The kid is leading the entire AHL in scoring and he is a rookie d man.

Take a few reality pills and get back to us.Justin has almost 50% more pts. than the entire D corps of the Wolves- combined.

Can you tell us what Canucks management offered up to Schultz as incentives to sign here? Name one thing.

Alain sitting you at the end of the bench so he can keep his job?

Sitting next to a very talented Keith Ballard every night while you watch Alberts and Joslin play?

Watching Tanev take all your minutes while never scoring an NHL goal?

Canucks management are not known as player development overachievers.

This team is crying for a talented offensive d man to compliment the Sedins and the next generation.

It's like they dislike talented d men as they sure don't covet them.It is evident this mgmt. does not understand how important offensive pivots really are-Ehrhoff allowed to walk over Bieksa,Salo,Schultz.How many former NHL offensive d men are in positions of mgmt. on this club?


He didn't want to play here.

It is simply that simple, we did everything we truthfully could have, he just choose Edmonton over us.

Everyone should just get over it.
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 04:15 PM

So in your world, a player that pretty much all our guys hate like Jeff Carter should have been acquired? Let's get Duncan Keith and Dave Bolland while we're at it. I'm sure that would go over well. And your other option is Nash, a player who was going to be a free agent in a few months, and wanted a payday we couldn't afford. Your brain operates in a realm very far removed from reality.


Says the guy who suggested that "a quick glance" at Schultz's stats would reveal that he's just heavily loading up the assists - wrong. And I see another blithering error in the above post. Rick Nash was not going to be a free agent. He is only signed until 2018, though, so I guess you're close. So who's brain is operating in a realm very far removed from reality?

Why do the Canucks hate Jeff Carter, exactly? And BTW, I didn't hear many qualms when Mike Duco was acquired, who had called the Sedin's "sisters" a few weeks prior.
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