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#31 Vigneault's Timeout

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 09:41 AM

Tanev was the only one of the bunch that played during the lockout...................and it shows.


This is likely the reason. Our team is trying to find its stride whereas Tanev is more game-ready.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 09:41 AM

Tanev was the only one of the bunch that played during the lockout...................and it shows.


True, and that's why he should be on the 1st PP, setting up Edler's big shot and keeping the puck moving in the zone, rather than let defender close-in and then shoot in the corner
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 09:43 AM

True, and that's why he should be on the 1st PP, setting up Edler's big shot and keeping the puck moving in the zone, rather than let defender close-in and then shoot in the corner


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I have posted a couple of times now that I would rather see Tanev and Ballard on the PP over Bieksa-Hamhuis
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 09:54 AM

Dress 7 D. Throw Jimmy V up and down the pairings until our defense learn to play nasty and leave it like that until other teams learn we play nasty. Then the net crashing and goals <10 feet in will slow down or stop...
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 10:01 AM

Last year Bieksa fought four times in 78 games. He's already fought twice in 6 games. He also leads our D in hits. I'd say he's stepping up. I thought he and Tanev were our best two d-men tonight. Edler is in his 7th pro season, Bieksa in his 8th, and Hamhuis in his 9th. It's not like we're running our D on raw rookies.

Lots of experience. The whole group other than Garrison are CUP finalist. It was kinda of comical watching KB as you could see he was getting PO'd at the weak backend play. Garrison and Edler are slow off the mark but I think they simply need time. Garrison in particlar is with a new team and should settle down. Hopefully he starts hitting the net soon. Both Tanev and Ballard are nice surprises.

As good as Kassian has looked the Twins do not. They are searching for a flow that isn't there yet. It should not surprise anyone that teams with players who were in Euroland during the lockout have a quicker step.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 10:04 AM

This team has never had a legitimate Norris Candidate. Maybe Edler will wake up and realize he "could" be if he wanted to.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 10:09 AM

:)

I have posted a couple of times now that I would rather see Tanev and Ballard on the PP over Bieksa-Hamhuis


Except you'd have to time Tanev's shot with a sundial.....

But in all seriousness I love the guy. Came from nowhere.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 10:50 AM

I thought bieksa played good tonight played simple didn't make many mistakes but now he's gotta do it more consistently but Edler has to start playing alot better defensively

Edler has been brutal. He needs to stop watching the puck and taking out the opposing player in front of our goalie. He seems just content with his new contract and now he can take it easy.AV should sit him down and bring in Alberts.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 10:58 AM

Looks at stats...

Sees Edler 2nd in team scoring...
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 11:14 AM

We no longer have a wiley veteran on this team and that's what's costing us. I knew this would happen when Salo was traded - the Canucks defence are still full of young guys who panic and aren't very calm without a veteran presence.

Get Vandermeer and Barker into the lineup, they're the closest we have to a real grey-beard to calm our panicky guys like Edler, Garrison and Bieksa down. Tanev is doing the best he can with Ballard...



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Posted 29 January 2013 - 11:18 AM

No we clearly do not. This team plays 6 games without Sami Salo and we have one of the worst defences in the league. Sure we don't have one star that carries the defence, but they aren't working well by committee which is the issue - they need a veteran presence desperately because guys like Hamhuis, Bieksa, Edler and Garrison are not veterans, they're defencemen in their prime. We need a guy who's played in this league a much longer time, and that was Salo. He'd seen it all. These guys haven't.

As for Ballard yes he's played ok, but he's paired with our best defenceman. You take away Tanev and he becomes our worst in an instance. So yes, Tanev is doing a great job with Ballard. He has turned this pathetic excuse for a defenceman into a decent 3rd pairing guy. You forget how badly he played without Tanev, and how he would be barrated for his poor play. Now Tanev comes along and fixes up his game perfectly.

Basically, we have 4 panicky guys on defence and 2 calm, cool and collected defenceman - Hamhuis and Tanev. We used to have Salo in that mix as well, giving us a set of perfect pairs: Tanev would settle Ballard down, Hamhuis would cover for Bieksa and Salo would help Edler play a more solid game. Now we have a mismatch with Garrison instead of Salo, who is even less experienced than Edler.

Barker and Vandermeer have been in this league a lot longer than some of our guys, I say throw Vandermeer in to see his effect on our other defencemen. This is why I was pushing so hard for Hal Gill or Allen - they would have fit this niche perfectly.



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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:10 PM

No we clearly do not. This team plays 6 games without Sami Salo and we have one of the worst defences in the league. Sure we don't have one star that carries the defence, but they aren't working well by committee which is the issue - they need a veteran presence desperately because guys like Hamhuis, Bieksa, Edler and Garrison are not veterans, they're defencemen in their prime. We need a guy who's played in this league a much longer time, and that was Salo. He'd seen it all. These guys haven't.

As for Ballard yes he's played ok, but he's paired with our best defenceman. You take away Tanev and he becomes our worst in an instance. So yes, Tanev is doing a great job with Ballard. He has turned this pathetic excuse for a defenceman into a decent 3rd pairing guy. You forget how badly he played without Tanev, and how he would be barrated for his poor play. Now Tanev comes along and fixes up his game perfectly.

Basically, we have 4 panicky guys on defence and 2 calm, cool and collected defenceman - Hamhuis and Tanev. We used to have Salo in that mix as well, giving us a set of perfect pairs: Tanev would settle Ballard down, Hamhuis would cover for Bieksa and Salo would help Edler play a more solid game. Now we have a mismatch with Garrison instead of Salo, who is even less experienced than Edler.

Barker and Vandermeer have been in this league a lot longer than some of our guys, I say throw Vandermeer in to see his effect on our other defencemen. This is why I was pushing so hard for Hal Gill or Allen - they would have fit this niche perfectly.


You have to be busting our balls. The only defenseman starting for us that is younger than Barker is Tanev. Edler and Barker are the same age, but where Barker has been a bust his entire career, Edler has been a key part of a Stanley Cup contender.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:10 PM

I've been happy with Ballard, Tanev and Bieksa. Those three have been so far the backbone of the Dcore and have prevented pretty much from the team from caving in deep. Hamhuis, Garrison and Edler have been subpar and the last 3 games has exposed how poorly they have been playing. There is absolutely no room for error and some of these guys are botching it up big time.

I'm starting to really see the purpose of Ballard's role on this team. It may not show up on the score board and his salary doesn't quite fit the bill, but his steady, calm and loose game is giving me more and more confidence with him on the ice. He and Tanev are barely noticable on the ice which in that fact is good cause it means they aren't doing stupid things compared to the other four guys. And when they are noticable, they are doing smart and simple plays that dont put our team in a bad position. Props to those two.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:18 PM

Ballard definately needs some power play time. He had been our bes defenceman thus far and has earned it. Hamhuis can sit out on the PP.

I'd also like to see AV insert Barker soon. I know that everyone is rusty, no training camp and whatever, but I wonder how much the top 4 think their spot is cemented, vs Tanev and Ballard thinking they have some heat from the 7th and 8th spot? It is hard to say who would sit, Garrison has no points, but is +2, Edler has 5 points in 6 games but is -1, Hamhuis has 4 points and a -3 and Bieksa has no points and -1.

Based on that I'd have to say either Hamhuis, worst +/- or Bieksa, a minus player with no points.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:22 PM

Also wouldn't mind seeing what Vandermeer and Bieksa pairing can do at some point in the future. That would be one nasty pair.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:37 PM

We need a big guy back there but I don't want to scratch anyone.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:40 PM

Our team specially the D has lost a lot of veteran leadership with the departure of Sami Salo.Last 4-5 years our D matured slowly and steadily under the wing of leaders like Ohlund, Mitchell and Salo. We certainly have the skill and talent this year but lacking the leadership. Canucks have a gaping hole in dictatorship to fill on our blue line. Seasoned players like Bieksa and Hamhuis need to step up.


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Posted 29 January 2013 - 01:07 PM

The Canucks will never win the Stanley Cup with our present defense. This whole defense by committee idea is ridiculous and doesn't work. The defense has been the issue that killed us in the playoffs both 2011 and last year. People wanted to blame Luongo solely for the losses, but having a lacklustre, and easily overpowered defense is what did it.

Alex Edler will never be the leader that this team needs on the blueline. Yes he can score and hit, but he lacks any kind of grit or leadership. Last night against the Kings he was the reason they tied it up. He couldn't clear the crease (again) and ended up screening Luongo. That is not Norris material now, nor will it ever be. But I am sure a lot of the CDC homers with a crush on Edler will come out defending him as they always have. And these same fools will moan about the forwards lack of scoring or the "questionable" goaltending.

Fact is that both Luongo and Schneider have saved games, Dominated in their positions.

Henrik, Daniel, and Kesler have carried this team on their back.

Has Edler ever saved a game? Has Bieksa ever carried the team? No. Sure Bieksa is a great spokesman and local celebrity, but as a defenseman, his best days are behind him.

The powerplay would be much better if the defense could keep it in the zone, which they usually can't.

If the Canucks ever want another chance at Lord Stanley's cup, they will need a better defense. They will need to trade away some pieces and do what it takes, at whatever the cost to get a true #1. In the process, they should take a long hard look at how Bieksa and Edler fit into this team regardless of their popularity with the fans.

Edited by Canuck-a-nuck, 29 January 2013 - 01:09 PM.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 01:34 PM

Bieksa looks like he's avoiding contact. He's more than willing to shove guys and lay the shoulder into someone, but when the forecheck is coming down hard, he looks more interested in getting outta the way than making the pass. He usually just throws it up to the boards to the first player in another jersey and spins away from the hit. Gotta sacrifice the body to make the right play.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 01:37 PM

I think you read these forums too much, and don't watch enough of the actual game.


This, he's from Australia so he probably doesn't even watch games lol.

^^
and I agree about Bieksa, his ego is too big sometimes.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 01:39 PM

This team has never had a legitimate Norris Candidate. Maybe Edler will wake up and realize he "could" be if he wanted to.


not going to happen... edler has peaked...
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 01:42 PM

The Canucks will never win the Stanley Cup with our present defense. This whole defense by committee idea is ridiculous and doesn't work. The defense has been the issue that killed us in the playoffs both 2011 and last year. People wanted to blame Luongo solely for the losses, but having a lacklustre, and easily overpowered defense is what did it.

Alex Edler will never be the leader that this team needs on the blueline. Yes he can score and hit, but he lacks any kind of grit or leadership. Last night against the Kings he was the reason they tied it up. He couldn't clear the crease (again) and ended up screening Luongo. That is not Norris material now, nor will it ever be. But I am sure a lot of the CDC homers with a crush on Edler will come out defending him as they always have. And these same fools will moan about the forwards lack of scoring or the "questionable" goaltending.

Fact is that both Luongo and Schneider have saved games, Dominated in their positions.

Henrik, Daniel, and Kesler have carried this team on their back.

Has Edler ever saved a game? Has Bieksa ever carried the team? No. Sure Bieksa is a great spokesman and local celebrity, but as a defenseman, his best days are behind him.

The powerplay would be much better if the defense could keep it in the zone, which they usually can't.

If the Canucks ever want another chance at Lord Stanley's cup, they will need a better defense. They will need to trade away some pieces and do what it takes, at whatever the cost to get a true #1. In the process, they should take a long hard look at how Bieksa and Edler fit into this team regardless of their popularity with the fans.


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Posted 29 January 2013 - 01:45 PM

I read a number of times after he signed that Garrison was equally comfortable playing either side. So why is Edler playing the right side then? He certainly doesn't look comfortable there.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 01:47 PM

not going to happen... edler has peaked...

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 01:51 PM

Bieksa looks like he's avoiding contact. He's more than willing to shove guys and lay the shoulder into someone, but when the forecheck is coming down hard, he looks more interested in getting outta the way than making the pass. He usually just throws it up to the boards to the first player in another jersey and spins away from the hit. Gotta sacrifice the body to make the right play.



i guess you havent watched any games yet this season...sooooo i will let this comment go...

of p.s..
oh and bieksa leads our d in hits...soooo i guess the whole team is running from the hits...
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 01:55 PM

i guess you havent watched any games yet this season...sooooo i will let this comment go...

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oh and bieksa leads our d in hits...soooo i guess the whole team is running from the hits...


He avoids taking hits, not giving them. Tanev and Ballard are getting smashed, but they make the right passes because they hang in there long enough to find the right outlet. Juice just throws it up the boards and gets the hell outta the way.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 01:56 PM

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you don't need a crystal ball...its that obvious he has not gotten any better in the last 3 seasons... i was really hoping they would have traded him for a more reliable d in the playoffs... but we are stuck with his inconsistent play...don't get me wrong i do like edler but...... in the playoffs when we really need him to step up... he wil, for one maybe 2 games then disappears...

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 02:00 PM

He avoids taking hits, not giving them. Tanev and Ballard are getting smashed, but they make the right passes because they hang in there long enough to find the right outlet. Juice just throws it up the boards and gets the hell outta the way.


lol..i have seen him take his fair share of hits to make the play... so i really don't know what you are talking about... and i am also guessing you don't play hockey by that comment? defence rule number 1# never throw the puck up the middle!!! if you have a chance to move it up the boards do it..

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 02:28 PM

Bieksa is the leader but he is starting slowly as usual, nothing to worry about there. Edler started well but he's looking uncomfortable right now, he needs a regular role and regular partner and to play on his proper side. Tanev, everyone's raving about him, but I don't see it. He keeps mishandling the puck, letting it past him at the point, not reacting quickly enough to forecheck pressure, forcing Ballard to bail him out. Ballard has been the most consistent to this point, he's playing real well. Hamhuis and Garrison look like they're having a tough time of it. I'd like to see Alberts get in some games, we could use more size on the blueline, our D is too small.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 02:58 PM

:shock: ....... :sadno:.......... :picard:


Great post........The use of emoticons is such a great substitute for an actual response. Typical CDCer.
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