Brad Marchand Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 Current Ranking: 1. Brock Boeser (104 votes - 53.97%) 2. Elias Pettersson (84 votes - 44.44%) 3. Olli Juolevi (95 votes - 54.29%) Eligible Prospects: Rodrigo AbolsMatthew BrassardGuillaume BriseboisCole CandellaMichael CarconeCole CasselsAnton CederholmJalen ChatfieldJonathan DahlenThatcher DemkoMichael DiPietroJonah GadjovichAdam GaudetteNikolay GoldobinKristoffer GunnarssonPhilip HolmLukas JasekJoseph LaBateYan-Pavel LaplanteKole LindWilliam LockwoodZack MacEwenEvan McEnenyBrett McKenzieGriffen MolinoPetrus PalmuAndrey PedanJack RathboneAshton SautnerMackenzie StewartJakub StukelJordan SubbanJake VirtanenDmitri Zhukenov Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerrDrFunk Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 Demko finally gets some love this time around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 Been voting for Demko since No. 2. He'll get in this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomato Pajamas Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 Is Abols our 4th best prospect? Absolutely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlwaysACanuckFan Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaku Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 THIS HAS TO BE DEMKO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaku Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 56 minutes ago, -AJ- said: Been voting for Demko since No. 2. He'll get in this time. I have been too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 Easy choice - Thatcher Demko. And the most one-sided poll we'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beary Sweet Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 Lol thought Demko was in our top 3 already so voted for Dahlen. No one has voted him other than me but once he finds his chemistry he had in Sweden and carry it over here in N.A., he should rise up our list and should be top 5 lock imo. Demko is the no brainer and my bad for not checking the previous polls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 Who keeps voting for Virtanen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 1 minute ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: Who keeps voting for Virtanen? I can see it as a moderator, but since the OP chose to not make the voter names public, I won't reveal it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattJVD Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 Seems to be a concenus separation between our top 4 (Boesser, Petterson, Juolevi, Demko) and the rest of our prospects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiebskey Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 Yup. Demko running away with this vote. As he should at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glory_Days Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 Demko wins this by a landslide. Any one of the top 4 who wasn't voted in already would have won by a mile. We have a great top 4. One of the top rated G prospects in world. A top rated D prospect A C prospect who just oozes skill and smarts One of the best college forwards over the last several years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
189lb enforcers? Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 Jake is next at 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIC_CITY Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 I like the idea of these polls. Good job OP! I voted Dahlen but I missed Demko. Dahlen is a lock for #5. Virtanen will probably come in around #9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Kerr Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 16 minutes ago, 189lb enforcers? said: Jake is next at 5. Is he? Goldy has done better in the ahl and the nhl. Dahlen is a threat... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
189lb enforcers? Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 7 minutes ago, Joe_Kerr said: Is he? Goldy has done better in the ahl and the nhl. Dahlen is a threat... Goldy is a Russian. I'd trade him in his contract year Dahlen hasn't even played in the A yet. I find it hard to gauge these kids until they are at war in NA. Demko hasn't even been tested and is at 4 and same with the rest, minus Goldy. At least we have some measure of Jake in the NHL. Wish him the best. Wish them all the best... in 2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesB Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 2 hours ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: Who keeps voting for Virtanen? Yes, Jake had 3 votes at #1, 5 votes at #2, 6 votes at #3, and so far has 11 votes at #4, which puts him "second" after Demko in the 4th round. Not sure if Jake's family is on CDC or if this is yet another testament to the power of denial (or confirmation bias or something) in human psychology. 2 hours ago, MattJVD said: Seems to be a concenus separation between our top 4 (Boesser, Petterson, Juolevi, Demko) and the rest of our prospects. Not a whole lot of doubt about the top 4 versus the rest at this stage. From #5 on the uncertainty opens up quite a lot. Looking at the fowards and focusing on scoring, after applying weighting to adjust for league differences, Dahlen, Gaudette, Lind, and Goldobin are all fairly close (and Jake is not). A good discussion of translation factors for comparing leagues is here: https://theleafsnation.com/2017/06/01/re-approaching-the-methodology-of-nhle/ Here are the points, leagues, translation factors, and adjusted points for some of the prospects. Here is how it works. Pettersson scored 41 pts in 43 games for 0.95 PPG. The adjustment factor for Allsvenskran is 0.46, so he scored at an NHL equivalent pace of 0.44 PPG. This is almost but not quite second line level, and he was 17 when the season started - and turned 18 during the season. For Boeser, as a 20 year old, if we look just at his NHL performance he has 5 pts in 9 games for 0.056 PPG and the adjustment factor is 1. If we factor in both his NCHC and NHL performance we get about 0.52. Dahlen (age 19) has an adjusted PPG of 0.45 and Gaudette (age 20) is at 0.43. Goldobin (age 21) is also 0.43, Gadjovich (age 18) is at 0.37 and Lind (age 18) is at 0.36. Virtanen is at 0.14. Once we take age into account and look at expected changes over time (something I have done before but won't do here), Petterson is the best prospect in terms of expected peak scoring, but Boeser, Dahlen, and Gaudette are very close. Goldobin is a bit older but still close. And Lind and Gadjovich are not far off. Compared to prospects in general, this is very good. Looking just at scoring numbers, all these prospects project as top 6 NHL forwards, except Virtanen. Pettersson projects as a clear first liner Dahlen and Boeser look like good bets to be first liners as well. I admit this seems too optimistic and I have my doubts about the translation factors. Possibly guys like Lind and Gadjovich were still available in the second round of the draft because their overall profile is not as good as their scoring alone would suggest. After all, we would normally say that guys like Gaudette, Lind, and Gadjovich would be doing well just to become NHL regulars anywhere in the line-up, let alone in the top six. Also, scoring is not everything, and there is a fair amount of year to year "noise" or variation. And there is a lot of individual variation in how players transition from other leagues to the NHL. But Dahlen and Gaudette should probably be #5 and #6 in this ranking and, overall, the prospect pool looks better than it has since the Sedins were headliners in the prospect pipeline.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerrDrFunk Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 1 hour ago, 189lb enforcers? said: Jake is next at 5. It'll be Dahlen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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