Nuxfanabroad Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Van: Tanev(retain 1.5 mill, x 2 yrs), Baertschi, 2020 2nd R pick *Conditional* ..AAV, about 6.3 mill cap hit, this yr & next TBay: JT Miller, Sergachev ..AAV also around 6.3 mill, but we have to add 1.5 mill(RS for Tanev), shouldn't be an issue reasoning: - Van adds a good young Russki..perhaps entices Try to return?(nice pairing) - Baer seems injury-prone. We definitely need more talent at LW position - Landing Serg means OJ won't make/break our young lefty-depth.(got Hughes too). I think Serg also plays RH-D, doesn't he? Tbay's pov: - They've got about 4 vet Dmen hitting UFA, this summer. Tanev gives a great 3 mill $ option - They have Hedman/McDonagh to fill LHD(forever); RHD, all expiring. Foote could use a mentor like Tanev - Tanev has history with Stammer(youth hockey). Prob fit in nicely. - Lose an expensive fwd contract. Also add a very solid RHD(cheaply) to counter the top eastern rivals great fwds(Pitt, Wash, TO, etc...) ***Conditional pick?*** Maybe our 2020 2nd becomes a 1st? Say if Sergachev hits a number like 30 pts, + we make PO's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shazzam Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 I don't think this makes any sense for Tampa. Sergachev is still on his ELC and it's a valuable thing to have for a team pushing the cap. They are looking to go deep into the playoffs again, both Tanev and Baer misses quite a number of games. Baer has missed like 50 games the past 3 seasons not including this one. Tanev has only appeared in 95 games the past 2 seasons. Both Miller and Serg don't have injury problems. Unnecessary and risky trade from Tampa's point of view Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 I don't see it for basically the reasons Shazam stated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted November 5, 2018 Author Share Posted November 5, 2018 You guys are probably right. Now if Tanev returns & is in top form, I do think JB might be able to drive up a bidding war for him. Think he recently announced they want CT sticking around, to pair up with future, younger LHD's. It might be true..but apparent scarcity also drives price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 47 minutes ago, shazzam said: I don't think this makes any sense for Tampa. Sergachev is still on his ELC and it's a valuable thing to have for a team pushing the cap. They are looking to go deep into the playoffs again, both Tanev and Baer misses quite a number of games. Baer has missed like 50 games the past 3 seasons not including this one. Tanev has only appeared in 95 games the past 2 seasons. Both Miller and Serg don't have injury problems. Unnecessary and risky trade from Tampa's point of view Doesn’t really make a whole lot of sense for us either. Yes Sergachev can play the right side but again, we have Hughes, Juolevi, Pouliot, and maybe Tryamkin if he comes back. No need for Sergachev. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 33 minutes ago, Pears said: Doesn’t really make a whole lot of sense for us either. Yes Sergachev can play the right side but again, we have Hughes, Juolevi, Pouliot, and maybe Tryamkin if he comes back. No need for Sergachev. Hughes Juolevi Pouliot Tryamkin hardly make Sergachev undesirable if anything Hughes and Juolevi sliding the puck over for Sergachevs one time makes him more desirable. Pouliot and Tryamkin are redundant at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcam Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Nuxfanabroad said: Van: Tanev(retain 1.5 mill, x 2 yrs), Baertschi, 2020 2nd R pick *Conditional* ..AAV, about 6.3 mill cap hit, this yr & next TBay: JT Miller, Sergachev ..AAV also around 6.3 mill, but we have to add 1.5 mill(RS for Tanev), shouldn't be an issue reasoning: - Van adds a good young Russki..perhaps entices Try to return?(nice pairing) - Baer seems injury-prone. We definitely need more talent at LW position - Landing Serg means OJ won't make/break our young lefty-depth.(got Hughes too). I think Serg also plays RH-D, doesn't he? Tbay's pov: - They've got about 4 vet Dmen hitting UFA, this summer. Tanev gives a great 3 mill $ option - They have Hedman/McDonagh to fill LHD(forever); RHD, all expiring. Foote could use a mentor like Tanev - Tanev has history with Stammer(youth hockey). Prob fit in nicely. - Lose an expensive fwd contract. Also add a very solid RHD(cheaply) to counter the top eastern rivals great fwds(Pitt, Wash, TO, etc...) ***Conditional pick?*** Maybe our 2020 2nd becomes a 1st? Say if Sergachev hits a number like 30 pts, + we make PO's? OMG-- Tampa would never make that trade... Miller 25 yrs old is a much better player then Beartchi Miller --- after trade 19GP 18Pts 2016-17 63 GP 40 Pts 2015- 16 82 GP- 56 Pts Sergachev 20, 6'3 2017-18 GP75 --PTS 40 Great future ... Tampa never makes this trade... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcam Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Nuxfanabroad said: You guys are probably right. Now if Tanev returns & is in top form, I do think JB might be able to drive up a bidding war for him. Think he recently announced they want CT sticking around, to pair up with future, younger LHD's. It might be true..but apparent scarcity also drives price. Teams will not offer much for Tanev..Poor guy is always injured? Might get a high 2nd rounder and prospect at the most.. Edler would get you a better return.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 I'd rather make a deal for Cal Foote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted November 5, 2018 Author Share Posted November 5, 2018 1 hour ago, wildcam said: Teams will not offer much for Tanev..Poor guy is always injured? Might get a high 2nd rounder and prospect at the most.. Edler would get you a better return.. We don't know if Edler will waive(TDL). For Tanev, we should hold firm for a good deal, until 2020 TDL. Would even re-sign him, if he accepted a lower number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted November 5, 2018 Author Share Posted November 5, 2018 20 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said: I'd rather make a deal for Cal Foote. Was thinking of Foote too. Righty w/grit, they prob want/need his full 3 yrs of ELC? ..2nd glance at capfriendly, appears TBay have 72,000,000! committed to only 14 bodies next yr. Just signed Gourde(5.16 x long) & Kucherov jumps up to 9.5 mill. So an offer that helps them with cap, might collect more return than people expect. Gee..Point is a 2019 RFA as well. They're going to HAVE find cap-help from some other team(unavoidable). Exact deal? Who knows? But suggesting these 2 teams could do biz... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Tanev even retained is more expensive than Sergachev. Makes little to no sense for them. Miller and Baer are basically worth the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted November 5, 2018 Author Share Posted November 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, N7Nucks said: Tanev even retained is more expensive than Sergachev. Makes little to no sense for them. Miller and Baer are basically worth the same. It's more a LT question for TBay. Do they want to commit 5+ to another fwd for many yrs? After next season, they'll have to pay Serg, quite a bit more too. Then in 2020, they add an early 2nd/late 1st(depending upon performance) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skolozsy2 Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 4 hours ago, Nuxfanabroad said: It's more a LT question for TBay. Do they want to commit 5+ to another fwd for many yrs? After next season, they'll have to pay Serg, quite a bit more too. Then in 2020, they add an early 2nd/late 1st(depending upon performance) I don't think Tampa will make any long term decisions this early into the season, especially with them doing as well as they are. Makes zero sense for them to mess with their current roster at this time. As to their possible and potential future salary cap issues, I dont think they worry about crossing that bridge until they actually have to. In perspective, if Boeser, Hughes, Petersson, Demko and Joulevi all hit their highest potential, Vancouver will have trouble signing them all...so does that mean they should trade Horvat now to diffuse the potential cap problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakrami Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Sergachev, in 2 years may be much better than Tanev. Why would they make this trade? JT Miller is also a good upgrade over Baertschi even though I am a Beartschi fan. Pretty meh trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ojibwa72 Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 11 hours ago, Nuxfanabroad said: We don't know if Edler will waive(TDL). For Tanev, we should hold firm for a good deal, until 2020 TDL. Would even re-sign him, if he accepted a lower number. This move of Edler would make more sense. I would more go this route: Edler (50% retianed) + Granlund for Cal Foote + JT Miller. Tampa gets a very good 2nd pair defenceman and versatile forward for a playoff push and Vancouver gets a replacement for Tanev next year (expiring contract and tade next year) and salary back in Miller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Used to really want Sergachev. I was hoping we would draft him. However, after watching him skate, and seeing his very sheltered minutes with Hedmann, I don't want him any more. I see him as a younger Jason Garrison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakrami Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 On 11/5/2018 at 1:12 PM, Nuxfanabroad said: We don't know if Edler will waive(TDL). For Tanev, we should hold firm for a good deal, until 2020 TDL. Would even re-sign him, if he accepted a lower number. You value Tanev like hes going to get you a blockbuster 1D trade deal. Yet you will only re-sign him for less than 4.45 mil/year. Talk about contradicting yourself at the finest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Not enough for Sergachev. Not even close imo.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGT68 Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 If you take Callahan instead and make it a cash saving for Tampa so they can pay Brayden Point I can see them giving up Sergechev or Foote or their first rounder and another smaller piece though. Tampa needs to pay Point. And they have cap hell coming soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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