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Van: Tanev(retain 1.5 mill, x 2 yrs), Baertschi, 2020 2nd R pick *Conditional*   ..AAV, about 6.3 mill cap hit, this yr & next

 

TBay: JT Miller, Sergachev   ..AAV also around 6.3 mill, but we have to add 1.5 mill(RS for Tanev), shouldn't be an issue

 

reasoning:

- Van adds a good young Russki..perhaps entices Try to return?(nice pairing)

- Baer seems injury-prone. We definitely need more talent at LW position

- Landing Serg means OJ won't make/break our young lefty-depth.(got Hughes too). I think Serg also plays RH-D, doesn't he?

 

Tbay's pov:

- They've got about 4 vet Dmen hitting UFA, this summer. Tanev gives a great 3 mill $ option

- They have Hedman/McDonagh to fill LHD(forever); RHD, all expiring. Foote could use a mentor like Tanev

- Tanev has history with Stammer(youth hockey). Prob fit in nicely.

- Lose an expensive fwd contract. Also add a very solid RHD(cheaply) to counter the top eastern rivals great fwds(Pitt, Wash, TO, etc...)

 

***Conditional pick?***

Maybe our 2020 2nd becomes a 1st? Say if Sergachev hits a number like 30 pts, + we make PO's?

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I don't think this makes any sense for Tampa.

 

Sergachev is still on his ELC and it's a valuable thing to have for a team pushing the cap.

 

They are looking to go deep into the playoffs again, both Tanev and Baer misses quite a number of games. Baer has missed like 50 games the past 3 seasons not including this one. Tanev has only appeared in 95 games the past 2 seasons. Both Miller and Serg don't have injury problems.

 

Unnecessary and risky trade from Tampa's point of view

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You guys are probably right. Now if Tanev returns & is in top form, I do think JB might be able to drive up a bidding war for him. Think he recently announced they want CT sticking around, to pair up with future, younger LHD's.

 

It might be true..but apparent scarcity also drives price.

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47 minutes ago, shazzam said:

I don't think this makes any sense for Tampa.

 

Sergachev is still on his ELC and it's a valuable thing to have for a team pushing the cap.

 

They are looking to go deep into the playoffs again, both Tanev and Baer misses quite a number of games. Baer has missed like 50 games the past 3 seasons not including this one. Tanev has only appeared in 95 games the past 2 seasons. Both Miller and Serg don't have injury problems.

 

Unnecessary and risky trade from Tampa's point of view

Doesn’t really make a whole lot of sense for us either. Yes Sergachev can play the right side but again, we have Hughes, Juolevi, Pouliot, and maybe Tryamkin if he comes back. No need for Sergachev.

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33 minutes ago, Pears said:

Doesn’t really make a whole lot of sense for us either. Yes Sergachev can play the right side but again, we have Hughes, Juolevi, Pouliot, and maybe Tryamkin if he comes back. No need for Sergachev.

Hughes Juolevi Pouliot Tryamkin hardly make Sergachev undesirable  if anything Hughes and Juolevi sliding the puck over for Sergachevs one time makes him more desirable. Pouliot and Tryamkin are redundant at this point. 

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1 hour ago, Nuxfanabroad said:

Van: Tanev(retain 1.5 mill, x 2 yrs), Baertschi, 2020 2nd R pick *Conditional*   ..AAV, about 6.3 mill cap hit, this yr & next

 

TBay: JT Miller, Sergachev   ..AAV also around 6.3 mill, but we have to add 1.5 mill(RS for Tanev), shouldn't be an issue

 

reasoning:

- Van adds a good young Russki..perhaps entices Try to return?(nice pairing)

- Baer seems injury-prone. We definitely need more talent at LW position

- Landing Serg means OJ won't make/break our young lefty-depth.(got Hughes too). I think Serg also plays RH-D, doesn't he?

 

Tbay's pov:

- They've got about 4 vet Dmen hitting UFA, this summer. Tanev gives a great 3 mill $ option

- They have Hedman/McDonagh to fill LHD(forever); RHD, all expiring. Foote could use a mentor like Tanev

- Tanev has history with Stammer(youth hockey). Prob fit in nicely.

- Lose an expensive fwd contract. Also add a very solid RHD(cheaply) to counter the top eastern rivals great fwds(Pitt, Wash, TO, etc...)

 

***Conditional pick?***

Maybe our 2020 2nd becomes a 1st? Say if Sergachev hits a number like 30 pts, + we make PO's?

OMG-- Tampa would never make that trade...

Miller 25 yrs old is a much better player then Beartchi

Miller --- after trade 19GP 18Pts

          2016-17     63 GP 40 Pts

          2015- 16    82 GP- 56 Pts

Sergachev 20, 6'3

2017-18  GP75  --PTS 40

Great future ...

Tampa never makes this trade...   

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1 hour ago, Nuxfanabroad said:

You guys are probably right. Now if Tanev returns & is in top form, I do think JB might be able to drive up a bidding war for him. Think he recently announced they want CT sticking around, to pair up with future, younger LHD's.

 

It might be true..but apparent scarcity also drives price.

Teams will not offer much for Tanev..Poor guy is always injured? 

Might get a high 2nd rounder and prospect at the most..

Edler would get you a better return..

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1 hour ago, wildcam said:

Teams will not offer much for Tanev..Poor guy is always injured? 

Might get a high 2nd rounder and prospect at the most..

Edler would get you a better return..

We don't know if Edler will waive(TDL). For Tanev, we should hold firm for a good deal, until 2020 TDL. Would even re-sign him, if he accepted a lower number.

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20 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

I'd rather make a deal for Cal Foote. 

 

Was thinking of Foote too. Righty w/grit, they prob want/need his full 3 yrs of ELC? ..2nd glance at capfriendly, appears TBay have 72,000,000! committed to only 14 bodies next yr. Just signed Gourde(5.16 x long) & Kucherov jumps up to 9.5 mill.

 

So an offer that helps them with cap, might collect more return than people expect.

 

Gee..Point is a 2019 RFA as well. They're going to HAVE find cap-help from some other team(unavoidable). Exact deal? Who knows? But suggesting these 2 teams could do biz...

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4 minutes ago, N7Nucks said:

Tanev even retained is more expensive than Sergachev. Makes little to no sense for them. Miller and Baer are basically worth the same.

It's more a LT question for TBay. Do they want to commit 5+ to another fwd for many yrs?

 

After next season, they'll have to pay Serg, quite a bit more too.

 

Then in 2020, they add an early 2nd/late 1st(depending upon performance)

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4 hours ago, Nuxfanabroad said:

It's more a LT question for TBay. Do they want to commit 5+ to another fwd for many yrs?

 

After next season, they'll have to pay Serg, quite a bit more too.

 

Then in 2020, they add an early 2nd/late 1st(depending upon performance)

I don't think Tampa will make any long term decisions this early into the season, especially with them doing as well as they are.  Makes zero sense for them to mess with their current roster at this time.

 

As to their possible and potential future salary cap issues, I dont think they worry about crossing that bridge until they actually have to.  In perspective, if Boeser, Hughes, Petersson, Demko and Joulevi all hit their highest potential, Vancouver will have trouble signing them all...so does that mean they should trade Horvat now to diffuse the potential cap problem?

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11 hours ago, Nuxfanabroad said:

We don't know if Edler will waive(TDL). For Tanev, we should hold firm for a good deal, until 2020 TDL. Would even re-sign him, if he accepted a lower number.

This move of Edler would make more sense. I would more go this route:

Edler (50% retianed) + Granlund for Cal Foote + JT Miller.

 

Tampa gets a very good 2nd pair defenceman and versatile forward for a playoff push and Vancouver gets a replacement for Tanev next year (expiring contract and tade next year) and salary back in Miller.

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On 11/5/2018 at 1:12 PM, Nuxfanabroad said:

We don't know if Edler will waive(TDL). For Tanev, we should hold firm for a good deal, until 2020 TDL. Would even re-sign him, if he accepted a lower number.

You value Tanev like hes going to get you a blockbuster 1D trade deal. Yet you will only re-sign him for less than 4.45 mil/year. 

 

Talk about contradicting yourself at the finest. 

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If you take Callahan instead and make it a cash saving for Tampa so they can pay Brayden Point I can see them giving up Sergechev or Foote or their first rounder and another smaller piece though.  

 

Tampa needs to pay Point.  And they have cap hell coming soon.  

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