Boudrias Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 I am sympathetic with Iran in that they fought Saddam Hussein for 7 years without help from anyone. Hussein was a Saudi surrogate supported by both GOP and Dem administrations. The Saudis are just as bad or worse than the Iranians. Both their forms of Islam hate the West, both are buried in Medieval thought. Not that I support Iran's drive for nuclear weapons I can see why they are so determined. The USA began to 'detach' itself from its alliances in the ME under Obama and Trump as continued the transition. The issue is not that the USA needs ME oil. It is about who controls that oil and the influence it can have over those that need it. American allies such as India, S. Korea, Japan and so called allies like the EU depend on ME oil. Trump's demand that they take an active role in actually defending their own interests in the region is bang on. The geography of Iran is a significant deterent against land invasion or Iran mounting military efforts outside of Iran. Narrow mountainous passes that can be easily sealed by air strikes. Iran has develop surrogate forces in the ME to counter Saudi efforts. IMHO it was the Saudis who instigated the ISIS insurrection in Syria. The only country in the ME that I trust is Israel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBH1926 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) Dozens were trampled to death in Kerman. Reminds me of few years ago when around 2000 people died during Hajj. Majority were Iranians. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/iran-live-updates/2020/01/07/896c70a2-30d5-11ea-9313-6cba89b1b9fb_story.html%3foutputType=amp Edited January 7, 2020 by CBH1926 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnarcore Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 6 hours ago, Boudrias said: I am sympathetic with Iran in that they fought Saddam Hussein for 7 years without help from anyone. Iran Contra affair. The US supplied arms to both sides of that conflict Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabreFan1 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 2 hours ago, Gnarcore said: Iran Contra affair. The US supplied arms to both sides of that conflict I actually still remember watching the Oliver North hearings live. He pretended not to remember a whole lot of things. Ronald Reagan could have gone to prison after his presidency was over. Although even had North not covered for him, it's doubtful that he would have considering Nancy was all but running the final year or so of the administration since Reagan was already affected by alzheimer's by then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 3 hours ago, Gnarcore said: Iran Contra affair. The US supplied arms to both sides of that conflict Hey what better way to make money...why discriminate and just supply both sides! I believe that’s the Ferengi 52nd rule of acquisition. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 49 minutes ago, SabreFan1 said: I actually still remember watching the Oliver North hearings live. He pretended not to remember a whole lot of things. Ronald Reagan could have gone to prison after his presidency was over. Although even had North not covered for him, it's doubtful that he would have considering Nancy was all but running the final year or so of the administration since Reagan was already affected by alzheimer's by then. I cut Ronnie a little slack there because of that aforementioned affliction. I wish nobody suffer from that horrible illness. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 19 minutes ago, NewbieCanuckFan said: I cut Ronnie a little slack there because of that aforementioned affliction. I wish nobody suffer from that horrible illness. I remember a classic line from DC Follies many years ago.... Reagan is complaining to his secret service guys that his TV is broken.....one of them says, "Sir, that's the Air conditioner".... Reagan replies, "What? On every channel?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckin_futz Posted January 7, 2020 Author Share Posted January 7, 2020 Further reports on that rocket attack on Al Asad Airbase in western Iraq Tue 7 Jan 2020 23:10:10 GMT Here is the news I posted on this a while back: Another rocket attack rumour on US forces in Iraq and this also: (Rumour) Another report of rocket attack in Iraq - on Al-Asad airbase Now seeing reports on this in the Washington Post VoA Bloomberg and also Fars ( Iranian news agency) As I posted earlier: attack on Ain Al Assad airbase in Anbar Iraq US & coalition forces are at this base at least 5 rockets (now said to be 6) https://www.forexlive.com/news/!/further-reports-on-that-rocket-attack-on-al-asad-airbase-in-western-iraq-20200107 ****************** Multiple reports in the last 45 mnins of rocket attacks. Some proved to be false. This one is real . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckin_futz Posted January 7, 2020 Author Share Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) If these rocket attack reports are true, this is a major escalation Tue 7 Jan 2020 23:26:48 GMT Pretty much the biggest escalation possible Aside from attacking the US directly, this is the most-aggressive thing Iran could do. These reports aren't 100% confirmed yet but it's getting close. At this point the risk-reward in buying gold and oil is too high to pass up. This could be full-on war by morning. Update: Reuters is now reporting that rockets have been fired at the Al Asad Airbase, citing an official. There is a lot of fake news out there, but Reuters is as good as it gets https://www.forexlive.com/news/!/if-these-rocket-attack-reports-are-true-this-is-a-major-escalation-20200107 edit - this is def not fake news. It's happening for real. Edited January 7, 2020 by nuckin_futz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldoescobar Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 8 minutes ago, nuckin_futz said: If these rocket attack reports are true, this is a major escalation Tue 7 Jan 2020 23:26:48 GMT Pretty much the biggest escalation possible Aside from attacking the US directly, this is the most-aggressive thing Iran could do. These reports aren't 100% confirmed yet but it's getting close. At this point the risk-reward in buying gold and oil is too high to pass up. This could be full-on war by morning. Update: Reuters is now reporting that rockets have been fired at the Al Asad Airbase, citing an official. There is a lot of fake news out there, but Reuters is as good as it gets https://www.forexlive.com/news/!/if-these-rocket-attack-reports-are-true-this-is-a-major-escalation-20200107 edit - this is def not fake news. It's happening for real. Seeing reports on this one attack all over now. Some reports are stating multiple attacks across a variety of targets in Iraq but dont know if those are connected to the unconfirmed/fake reports from earlier in the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckin_futz Posted January 7, 2020 Author Share Posted January 7, 2020 US official confirms missiles been fired from inside Iran at multiple US military facilities in Iraq Tue 7 Jan 2020 23:39:28 GMT US media citing unnamed officials: ballistic missiles have been fired from inside Iran at multiple US military facilities in Iraq including Erbil (northern Iraq) Al Asad Air Base (western Iraq) No word on casualty numbers as yet. Meanwhile, Iranian media (Fars) also reporting the same, that retaliation has begun. https://www.forexlive.com/news/!/us-confirms-missiles-been-fired-from-inside-iran-at-us-military-facilities-in-iraq-20200107 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shift-4 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Holy $&!# Honestly was not expecting this level of retaliation. Need more details but wow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckin_futz Posted January 7, 2020 Author Share Posted January 7, 2020 White House says Trump has been briefed on Iraq, is monitoring Tue 7 Jan 2020 23:44:07 GMT Well here we go Ok, this is real. Trump is going to have to respond to this. If you're in Iran or the region, get somewhere safe. If you're still reading ForexLive, I imagine you're trying to make some money from this. Oil is up 4%, gold is up 1.9% and stock futures are falling. Those are still minuscule reactions compared to what's going to happen when the US retaliates by dropping bombs on Iran. There's no way the US turns the other cheek. This is from the White House press secretary: "We are aware of the reports of attacks on US facilities in Iraq. The President has been briefed and is monitoring the situation closely and consulting with his national security team.'" Separately, a US official cited by Reuters has confirmed rocket attacks at multiple locations in Iraq, including the Al Asad Airbase. There's a small important distinction here regarding rocket attacks vs missile attacks. If they're missiles, that's a larger escalation. Again, I'm not entirely sure it matters in Trump's mind. https://www.forexlive.com/news/!/white-house-says-trump-has-been-briefed-on-iraq-is-monitoring-20200107 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dough teeth Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 nuke iran! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckin_futz Posted January 7, 2020 Author Share Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) US President Trump briefed on the attacks, now meeting with National Security team As yet no casualty information. This is critical. US casualties will be viewed very seriously indeed by Trump. https://www.forexlive.com/news/!/us-president-trump-briefed-on-the-attacks-now-meeting-with-national-security-team-20200107 Added: Iran said to have fired 35 missiles at the Al-Assad airbase in Iraq Edited January 8, 2020 by nuckin_futz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Iranian officials have apparently confirmed they did in fact fire at a US base inside of Iraq with the blessing of the Iraqi government. If this is in fact true than this is a major escalation and honestly....I cannot wait to see the red hats signing up to make America great again. A generation that cannot even fight their own anxiety going to war against a nation that has literally been fighting for over 40 years. Should be fun posturing before the US turns the place in to a parking lot https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/07/world/middleeast/trump-iran.html https://abcnews.go.com/International/iran-launches-missiles-us-air-bases-iraq-us/story?id=68130625 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 (edited) I wonder if this administration is going to try and stick with the narrative that the Soleimani assassination made the world a "safer place" for Americans? Edited January 8, 2020 by RUPERTKBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 21 minutes ago, nuckin_futz said: US official confirms missiles been fired from inside Iran at multiple US military facilities in Iraq I'd not be believing the Americans on this one. I'll wait for a second and third source, especially the part about "from inside Iran" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownky Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Welp, the plan to break NATO up is going to work out nicely. GG Russia/China. Step 1) Do something reprehensible that causes them to attack you Step 2) Get attacked Step 3) Invoke Article 5 of NATO Step 4) Wait and see who says "No, I don't think so" and the alliance crumbles. or Step 4B) See which nations get bogged in another super expensive in people and money quagmire for the better part of 20 years. Trump wanted to leave NATO/Let NATO die (for whatever reasons... that various background players might have had in mind) and found a way to do it. We'll see how close this gets. I hope I'm simply wearing a very tin foil hat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckin_futz Posted January 8, 2020 Author Share Posted January 8, 2020 (edited) Pentagon confirms more than a dozen ballistic missiles were launched from Iran at US bases Wed 8 Jan 2020 00:13:51 GMT Pentagon confirms the attack It's no longer in doubt, the US has confirmed that multiple bases were hit and that these are ballistic missiles (not local rockets) and that they were fired from Iran. There is also a fresh report that another wave of rockets have been fired and that they're Fateh 110 missiles. https://www.forexlive.com/news/!/pentagon-says-more-than-a-dozen-ballistic-missiles-were-launched-from-iran-at-us-bases-20200108 edit - If those are the missiles, the payload is 500kg. Edited January 8, 2020 by nuckin_futz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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