n00bxQb Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 why would we resign richardson he cant win a faceoff if he tried id rather cassels or gaunce win faceoffs plus hes always injured Richardson was our 2nd best faceoff guy this season (47.8%) and our best faceoff guy last season (55.2%). Since joining the Canucks, he's missed 46 regular season games and 1 playoff game due to injury, 38 of which were due to the foot injury he recently had surgery on. In his career, he's missed 82 games due to injury w/ 559 career games played. Cassels is under 50% in the OHL (though he seems to win the big draws) and Gaunce doesn't even play center at the AHL level, let alone at the NHL level. Quality analysis, though. You should be a GM some day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyLow_ Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 Richardson was our 2nd best faceoff guy this season (47.8%) and our best faceoff guy last season (55.2%). Since joining the Canucks, he's missed 46 regular season games and 1 playoff game due to injury, 38 of which were due to the foot injury he recently had surgery on. In his career, he's missed 82 games due to injury w/ 559 career games played. Cassels is under 50% in the OHL (though he seems to win the big draws) and Gaunce doesn't even play center at the AHL level, let alone at the NHL level. Quality analysis, though. You should be a GM some day. I don't really see it as a choice, Hank has never been great at faceoffs and Bones is awful at them. Faceoffs were an issue all season, without Richardson it was just ugly. The guy can play so he should be re-signed, we need him. There's other guys that can be moved to make space for youth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 I don't really see it as a choice, Hank has never been great at faceoffs and Bones is awful at them. Faceoffs were an issue all season, without Richardson it was just ugly. The guy can play so he should be re-signed, we need him. There's other guys that can be moved to make space for youth. Richardson is taken for granted by many. Not only good FO% but produces points and can anchor a line. He has a physical side as well that the Canucks need. He also can play wing. That does not mean he wont be a pre-Draft chip in a deal. That is the case with many on the Canuck roster. How far up the center position is Horvat penciled in to? Probably 3C but if his progression continues I can see him challenging for 2C. How quickly does WD see that happening and does it make either Bonino or Richardson moveable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice orca Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 "Get use to my face" More like how does my ass taste Conner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amish Rake Fighter Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 Memorial Cup final is @4:00 pm PST today on Sportsnet nationwide. matchup is probably Cassels vs.Draisaitl again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down by the River Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 In a way I wish people would stop watching junior hockey games, because holy crow talk about not understanding why that doesn't translate to the NHL. Yeah, like that guy on here who was all over Roland Mckeown's nuts and then he scored seven goals last year and was given up on by the LA Kings to get Sekera. He wasn't even the centre piece in the deal. That guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuckin Kingsly Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 why would we resign richardson he cant win a faceoff if he tried id rather cassels or gaunce win faceoffs plus hes always injured So he doesn't try to win faceoffs? Richardson had an off year in the dot, but he was still respectable. And has a great year the year before, however I'm in agreement with you, and wouldn't be disappointed if he wasn't resigned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanTSN Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 I hope Cole wins today. He's leaving it all on the ice so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanTSN Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 Yeah, like that guy on here who was all over Roland Mckeown's nuts and then he scored seven goals last year and was given up on by the LA Kings to get Sekera. He wasn't even the centre piece in the deal. That guy. Yes, because Linden Vey's pro game has so far translated well. Maybe people should just stop watching hockey altogether. Not that they actually watched Vey... Vey was another one of those 'why?' trades. I guess just to appease WD, but even he didn't play him in the playoffs. Just gets in the way of one of our own guys. Hopefully out of the way by the time Cassels or one of our other centers is ready for the big time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfstonker Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 Cassels skating is not bad, he has good top end speed, at least better than most at the junior level. He does need edge work, etc. What he does have is faster speed than Gretsky, Oates or his Dad...all of whom could pass the puck...just like Cole. What would you say to a grittier, more defensively sound Henrik? I seriously think Cole can be our #1 center, actually I think we may have 3 first lines with the Sedins being around until McCann is ready and then: Shinkaruk / Cassels / Virtanen Baertschi / Horvat / Grenier Gaunce / McCann / Kassian Kenins / Friesen / Dorsett Where are the goals coming from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesB Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 McDavid gave credit to Oshawa and specifically Cassels for their defensive play. Yes he did. And the praise for Cassels was well-deserved. But I noticed that McDavid is a class act as well as being a great young player. Hate to see him going to Edmonton. Cassels has done very well and, based on last year's performance, now projects as a good NHL 3C who can play shutdown, PK, take key faceoffs, and provide secondary scoring. That is a great progress for a 3rd round pick --better than most low first rounders. But let's not kid ourselves. Cassels will have a hard time handling McDavid in the NHL as McDavid is two years younger. By the time they are, say, 22 (McDavid) and 24 (Cassels) I think the situation looks scary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfstonker Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 Yes, because Linden Vey's pro game has so far translated well. Maybe people should just stop watching hockey altogether. Not that they actually watched Vey... Vey was another one of those 'why?' trades. I guess just to appease WD, but even he didn't play him in the playoffs. Just gets in the way of one of our own guys. Hopefully out of the way by the time Cassels or one of our other centers is ready for the big time. That kind of comment makes me sick. He IS one of our own guys, stop talking nonsense. He is 7 months younger than Kasian and has similar point production despite being a 4th round pick. "The Wakaw, Saskatchewan native is of average size and weight, but delivers above average results in most facets of the game. He is a leader and a grit player who inspires with a solid work ethic. His continued improvement in all three zones and special teams play has helped him raise his stock as a legitimate two-way center option." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 That kind of comment makes me sick. He IS one of our own guys, stop talking nonsense. He is 7 months younger than Kasian and has similar point production despite being a 4th round pick. "The Wakaw, Saskatchewan native is of average size and weight, but delivers above average results in most facets of the game. He is a leader and a grit player who inspires with a solid work ethic. His continued improvement in all three zones and special teams play has helped him raise his stock as a legitimate two-way center option."i dont understand why vey gets so much hate on cdc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter Soldier Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 Yes, because Linden Vey's pro game has so far translated well. Maybe people should just stop watching hockey altogether. Not that they actually watched Vey... Vey was another one of those 'why?' trades. I guess just to appease WD, but even he didn't play him in the playoffs. Just gets in the way of one of our own guys. Hopefully out of the way by the time Cassels or one of our other centers is ready for the big time. Because Benning's play all year was to find young players on the cusp to fill in the gap in our prospect backlog? I don't get why people think Vey is some kind of leper compared to Pedan or Clendening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuktravella Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 vey isnt a top six so he will have to play wing on 3rd or 4th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CANUCK-EXPRESS Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 C'mon Cassels! Finish the season with a W. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
two drink minimum Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 ^this picture was on the front page of nhlnumbers.com heading an article on draft analytics, specifically the Prospect Cohort Success Model, using Cassels (among others) as an example. http://nhlnumbers.com/2015/5/26/draft-analytics-unveiling-the-prospect-cohort-success-modelComplete waste of time. To try and predict a players potential NHL skill level at age 19 or 20 is a total crapshoot. There are just too many ingredients to consider, such as...Desire, heart, attitude, late bloomer, injury history, how coachable are they, physical limitations at given ages, Hockey IQ and mental aptitude potentialAdam Oates didn't make the NHL fulltime till he was 25 I believe and he blossomed into one of the great playmaking centers of his era. No scientific chart or clinical studies could have ever predicted that. These analytic guys who keep coming out of the woodwork are nothing more than snake oil salesman. The asst GM guy in TO is the best of them all.Analytics may work for baseball but the NHL is a way different sport and isn't based on odds and percentages. Too many moving parts in a hockey game and it changes much from shift to shift. In baseball a MGR can call a timeout and bring in a lefty to face a left handed batter because the odds are in the pitchers favour in that particular matchup. Hockey is completely different and no one seems to realize that when going over these useless stats. On paper anything is possible. On the ice, not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 Because Benning's play all year was to find young players on the cusp to fill in the gap in our prospect backlog? I don't get why people think Vey is some kind of leper compared to Pedan or Clendening. Vey was in the top 15 rookie scoring I believe. Horvat higher. IMHO Vey showed a lot this past season. A critical season coming up for him to show he can continue progressing. Pedan: I have never seen. I get concerned when I hear his season ended with a 3rd concussion during his career. Not good. Clendening: My only viewing of his play was his Canuck tenure this season. Frankly not overly impressed but he is a NHL rookie so patience is always needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WonderTwinPowers Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 i dont understand why vey gets so much hate on cdc. Its like no one thinks he can progress, Burrows and Kesler were looked at the exact same way when they first made the team. There's still room for growth in his game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanTSN Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 That kind of comment makes me sick. He IS one of our own guys, stop talking nonsense. He is 7 months younger than Kasian and has similar point production despite being a 4th round pick. "The Wakaw, Saskatchewan native is of average size and weight, but delivers above average results in most facets of the game. He is a leader and a grit player who inspires with a solid work ethic. His continued improvement in all three zones and special teams play has helped him raise his stock as a legitimate two-way center option." Enough of Vey in the Cassels thread, but that quote is ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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