Gstank29 Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 almost at page 200 and under a month in tell the draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ihatetomatoes Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 see now why do you have to go and insult him right now. just drop it guys. let it go. we're not all going to agree on one kid. and people will change theirnmind all the way up to the minute we draft. I've went from ritchie to virtanen to ehlers to nylander. That's the point, why is absent going so far out of his way to prove minister is a normal person with opinions that sometimes change a little over time. Its redundant and extremely immature and childish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absent Canuck Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Two months of this. I repeat, two months of this. Our conversations will solve nothing but to entertain us. The only thing that will change the discourse will be traded picks in the top 10. Frustration is setting in but he gets over it. Even though I like Nylander, i agree with this. This is probably the thinking of the Canucks and most NHL clubs. I also often like to point out the question of how many true PWFs have the Canucks ever had? Kurtenbach, Bertuzzi, Neely? Then there's the secondary tier like Paiemont, Fraser, Momesso and Courtnall. Ritchie, if developed well, could be a very unique player in our franchise history. Linden, from his own experience, knows that there can be room for smaller guys like Ronning and Craven to help a club. He also knows that those players need to be surrounded with as much physical support as possible. Loading up on big talented wingers is a good strategy for the Canucks right now IMO. We may need help at centre but that can be addressed at another time or in another way. By loading up on the wing the Canucks can ensure that is one position that they are set for the future if they remain patient. Having a strong group of young wingers will open up room from other positions for other players to succeed. There is always more room for extra bigger guys in a line-up than smaller guys. You can't have a roster too big but you can have it be too small. Generally, I am an advocate of building from the net out through up the middle so what I am saying may sound counterintuitive but the Canucks are not in a complete rebuilding stage as of yet. We still have viable options at the other positions at the NHL and prospect level. Enough so that we can consider it a foundation to build upon. We may lack a top end prospect at centre and defense but when we do acquire one they will ideally be big bodied as well as talented. This trend is not going to reverse. I am always amazed when i read posters use terms like 'redundant' with regards to certain play types. There is no such thing especially if they have size and can play on multiple lines. If the Canucks are the title of the team with the biggest group of forward prospects on the league one day it would be the first time that has ever been the case. Variety is important after many years of rebuild but in a retool like we are in now then being the best at something in the league is important. Again with the hedging by supporting two different players who play two different styles altogether so he can brag later he had it both ways. Quite different. Nichushkin is a full talent winger with a dynamic and explosive element. He is also a big body that can work the puck but isn't overly physical although it's not a weakness in his game. He was a certainly a top talent that fell because of his nationality. He is extremely creative and has great speed, passing and shot. His commitment to defense will be a telling point in his career. Ritchie is a throwback power forward that can both pummel opponents with his fists or with his soft hands near the net. He can dominate physically while making room on the ice for his line mates. He has a quick release and solid instincts. He is the type of player that does the heavy lifting for his line. Ritchie is the model of a playoff specimen. Their similarities are their inconsistency, size and shooting but they utilize these talents differently. That's pretty hard to say when there was no player similar to Ritchie in that draft or, I dare say, for near 10 years. It seems now that you need to talk down certain prospects to justify your own preference. All of the top 15 in this draft are good prospects in their own right. They hyperbole is getting a little thick at this point. Ritchie still has questions though. His top end is less a sure thing than Draisaitl. Draisaitl's mold may be less rare but it's still extremely valuable. I wouldn't be shocked if there are more than a few teams that have Ritchie before him though. Apparently he thinks Ritchie is creeping into the top 5 on some boards he is so cool. However, he is extremely vague about it. Surprise surprise. Well, you might as well go camping then because we're going to get a very good player. ……unless we trade the pick. The man has made a decision. Here is is folks. WE ARE GETTING A GOOD PLAYER. So no matter who we pick he has his bases covered. There is a man who knows how to nail a prediction! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGokou Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 That's the point, why is absent going so far out of his way to prove minister is a normal person with opinions that sometimes change a little over time. Its redundant and extremely immature and childish Yeah I don't really get it either. People are entitled to change their minds, especially with new information that comes into light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merci Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Lol absent u troll as well as a guy in my old world of warcraft guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedman Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 I think ever since the poll came up, Minister voted right away that he wanted us to pick Nylander. Yeah he didn't praise a guy like Virtanen to the sky. He believes that Virtanen doesn't have 1st line potential. I think that's a very realistic statement though. He did give Ritchie some high praise, and he pretty much said that Ritchie would be his 2nd choice. You can have more than 1 favorite, but you can still prefer 1 favorite over another. I think his posts are very honest, we'll all have guys that we prefer over others. He's not like some guys around here that are completely obsessed with size. I'm sure BanTSN for an example would prefer an 4th line enforcer over Nylander with the 6th overall pick. I really don't get the feeling that TheMinister are trying to bash some of the prospects that we potentially could pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absent Canuck Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Lol absent u troll as well as a guy in my old world of warcraft guild wat? I still cant believe you wanted to take Ehlers. I had to rub my eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petrov Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Fabbri should be on the list. He had the most points of them all since February including a stellar playoff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absent Canuck Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 I think ever since the poll came up, Minister voted right away that he wanted us to pick Nylander. Yeah he didn't praise a guy like Virtanen to the sky. He believes that Virtanen doesn't have 1st line potential. I think that's a very realistic statement though. He did give Ritchie some high praise, and he pretty much said that Ritchie would be his 2nd choice. You can have more than 1 favorite, but you can still prefer 1 favorite over another. I think his posts are very honest, we'll all have guys that we prefer over others. He's not like some guys around here that are completely obsessed with size. I'm sure BanTSN for an example would prefer an 4th line enforcer over Nylander with the 6th overall pick. I really don't get the feeling that TheMinister are trying to bash some of the prospects that we potentially could pick. Yeah. They dont run here to GLOAT on how months ago they knew that guy was special all along. None of us who knew how special Nylander was needed to do that. We arent ego maniacs. Especially a guy who PUMPED Ritchie over and over now claims he was a Nylander guy. This has always been my frustration with Minister. He talks out both sides of his mouth because he cant bare to be wrong later on. I called him out on it. So what. He needs to live with his decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herberts Vasiljevs Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Absent needs help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merci Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 I said that about ehlers before i realized he plays on drouins team. Perlini hasnt been mentioned in 40 pages. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Are people really being swayed by the combine? Why? Interviews? MacKinnon could have spit in the faces of the all the Avs brass and they still would have selected him. Pull-ups? Kindof irrelevant isn't it? The results of all physical tests now are meaningless when compared to when their expected post-development physicality. I laughed hard when the 'Bennett zero pulluppps!' story blew up. To me the NHL combine has always been a dog and pony show and it's quite clear why teams in recent seasons have ran their own 'real' combines. Anyone know if the Canucks were one of these teams? I'm thinking no. I'm thinking certain blessed and privileged teams down south get those. If Virtanen wasn't injured, and it was him who had a great showing like Nylander, would you be singing the same tune? Minister You do say you want him at #6. Back in March. Remember march? A good long time before we had any idea where we would be drafting. If you want to take credit for that, then by all means. You have never stated the Canucks would draft him once we knew where we were drafting. You still hedge around Nylander but never actually put your foot down on it. In fact, when you finally do, you 'want Nylander long term' but your prediction is Nick Ritchie. Mine is Ehlers. Yours was Ritchie. I have also stated repeatedly that I thought Nylander was the best talent blah blah . The difference between us is that I dont BRAG about it later on like I knew it all along. You didnt. You picked Ritchie. You made the double talk. Live with it. From what I've seen he's wanted Nylander all along. Besides why does it matter if opinions change, its just opinion. I wanted Kapanen at first, now I'm leaning towards Ehlers, or Nylander. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Absent Canuck. From what I have read in the last few pages from you this is all I have to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2Guys1Puck Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Haven't seen anybody link this article from Last Word on Sports Aho, Sebastian – 5’9.25″ – 165 lbsAmadio, Michael – 6’1″ – 190 lbsAube-Kubel, Nicolas – 5’11″ 187 lbsAudette, Daniel – 5’8″ 175 lbs Barbashev, Ivan - 6’0″ 180 lbsBayreuther, Gavin – 6’0.5″ 195 lbsBennett, Sam - 6’0.25″ 178 lbsBird, Tyler – 6’1.5″ 200 lbsBishop, Clark – 5’11.5″ 182 lbsBleackley, Conner - 6’0.25″ 192 lbsBunting, Michael - 5’11″ 174 lbs Chatham, Connor - 6’2″ 222 lbsClarke, Blake – 6’1″ 196 lbsCollins, Ryan - 6’5″ 202 lbsCornel, Eric - 6’1.5″ 186 lbs Dal Colle, Michael – 6’1.5″ 182 lbsDe Leo, Chase - 5’9″ 178 lbsDeAngelo, Anthony - 5’10.5″ 175 lbsDonato, Ryan – 6’0.25″ 174 lbsDougherty, Jack - 6’1″ 186 lbsDraisatl, Leon - 6’1.5″ 204 lbsDuke, Reid - 5’11.5″ 189 lbsDvorak, Christian - 6’0.25 178 lbs Ehlers, Nikolaj - 5’11″ 162 lbsEiserman, Shane - 6’1.5″ 200 lbsEkblad, Aaron - 6’3.5″ 216 lbs Fabbri, Robbie - 5’10.25″ 170 lbsFiala, Kevin - 5’10″ 180 lbsFleury, Haydn – 6’2.5″ 203 lbsFoegele, Warren – 6’0.75″ 178 lbsFoss, Ryan - 6’3″ 183 lbs Gardiner, Reid – 5’10.5″ 183 lbsGendron, Miles – 6’1.5″ 181 lbsGersich, Shane - 5’11″ 175 lbsGlover, Jack - 6’3.25″ 190 lbsGoldobin, Nikolai - 5’11.75″ 178 lbs Hawryluk, Jayce - 5’10.25″ 190 lbsHaydon, Aaron - 6’2.5″ 197 lbsHickey, Brandon - 6’1.5 177 lbsHo-Sang, Joshua - 5’11″ 175 lbsHonka, Julius - 5’10.75 180 lbs Iacopelli, Matheson - 6’1.5″ 192 lbsIrving, Aaron - 6’0.5″ 185 lbsIverson, Keegan - 6’0.75″ 219 lbs Jacobs, Joshua - 6’1.75″ 193 lbsJohansson Emil - 5’11.75″ 194 lbs Kamenev, Vladislav – 6’2″ 203 lbsKapanen, Kasperi - 6’0″ 181 lbsKarabacek, Vaclav – 5’11.5″ 196 lbsKarlsson, Anton - 6’1.25″ 187 lbsKase, Ondrej - 6’0″ 165 lbsKempe, Adrian - 6’1.25″ 187 lbs Lammikko, Juho - 6’2.5″ 189 lbsLarkin, Dylan – 6’0.75″ 190 lbsLeblanc, Olivier - 5’11.5″ 157 lbsLemieux, Brendan – 6’0.25″ 206 lbsLernout, Brett – 6’4″ 206 lbsLindo, Jaden - 6’1″ 201 lbsLlewellyn, Darby – 6’0.5″ 176 lbs MacInnis, Ryan - 6’3.25″ 183 lbsMacLeod, Johnathan – 6’1.5″ 200 lbsMagyar, Nicholas – 6’1.75″ 194 lbsMantha, Ryan - 6’4.5″ 225 lbsMartin, Brycen – 6’1.75″ 195 lbsMasin, Dominik – 6’2″ 189 lbsMcCann, Jared – 6’0.25″ 179 lbsMcKeown, Roland – 6’0.75″ 195 lbsMiddleton, Jacob – 6’2.75″ 200 lbsMilano, Sonny – 5’11.5″ 183 lbsMistele, Matthew - 6’1.5″ 190 lbs Nantel, Julien - 6’0″ 193 lbsNogier, Nelson - 6’2.25″ 191 lbsNylander, William - 5’11″ 169 lbs Ollas Mattson, Adam – 6’4″ 209 lbs Pastrnak, David – 6’0″ 167 lbsPelletier, Julien - 5’11″ 177 lbsPepin, Alexis - 6’2.5 218 lbsPerlini, Brandon – 6’2.75 205 lbsPerron, Francis – 5’11.5 166 lbsPeters, Alexander – 6’3.25″ 207 lbsPettersson, Marcus – 6’4″ 167 lbsPoganski, Austin – 6’1.25″ 198 lbsPoint, Braydon – 5’9.75 160 lbsPollock, Brett – 6’2″ 182 lbs Quenneville, John - 6’0.5″ 182 lbs Reinhart, Sam – 6’0.75″ 185 lbsRitchie, Nick - 6’2.25″ 226 lbs Sadowy, Dylan - 5’11.75″ 183 lbsSanheim, Travis – 6’3″ 181 lbsScherbak, Nikita - 6’1″ 175 lbsSchmaltz, Nick – 5’11.5″ 172 lbsSchoenborn, Alex – 6’0.5″ 196 lbsSiebenaler, Blake – 6’0.5″ 192 lbsSlattery, Mitchell – 5’11.5″ 185 lbsSmith, Hunter – 6’6.5″ 208 lbsSnuggerud, Luc – 6’0.25″ 180 lbsSpinner, Steven - 5’11.5″ 196 lbsStarrett, Beau – 6’4.75″ 197 lbs Thomas, Ben – 6’1″ 190 lbsTkachev, Vladimir – 5’9″ 141 lbsTuch, Alex – 6’3.5″ 213 lbsTurgeon, Dominic – 6’1.75″ 198 lbs Vanier, Alexis - 6’4.5″ 215 lbsVirtanen, Jake - 6’0.75″ 208 lbsVrana, Jakub - 5’11″ 185 lbs Wallman, Jake - 6’0.5″ 170 lbsWatson, Spencer - 5’9.75″ 170 lbsWesley, Josh - 6’2.5″ 194 lbs http://lastwordonsports.com/2014/06/02/2014-nhl-combine-heights-weights/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedman Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Yeah. They dont run here to GLOAT on how months ago they knew that guy was special all along. None of us who knew how special Nylander was needed to do that. We arent ego maniacs. Especially a guy who PUMPED Ritchie over and over now claims he was a Nylander guy. This has always been my frustration with Minister. He talks out both sides of his mouth because he cant bare to be wrong later on. I called him out on it. So what. He needs to live with his decisions. You have to admit though, Nylander have earned quite a few new supporters around here after his good combine results. I don't think Minister was "bragging about it". People here called Nylander weak/soft, said his attitude wasn't good... All this was just pure bs that people made up, or presumed, just so that their favorite player would look like the best option. I personally had a few arguments with some people here, trying to prove to them that Nylander is a really good player. This was a few months ago. I have seen several love-posts from minister regarding Nylander as well, going back a few months. Yeah he said good things about Ritchie, so what? I also prefer Nylander/Ritchie at our spot, unless a projected top5 players falls to us. Nylander is the best skilled player (IMO) and Ritchie is the best PWF (IMO), they're quite different players, so therefore i see them as the best players available at our spot. I think Ritchie might be the safest pick, but if management are confident with picking Nylander, then why not? That's not my personal feeling about him. I guess you can see it different ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeanBeef Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 The others have been verified as to being interviewed. Ritchie never was. If he was, I am sure someone will post it. As I've said before, just because the article doesn't mention that they interviewed Ritchie doesn't mean that he wasn't interviewed. You also have no source saying Ritchie wasn't interviewed by the Canucks. Here's a quote Benning and the Canucks interviewed 64 of the 117 top prospects who were in Toronto this weekend. They were mostly North American players, but the Canucks did interview several Europeans, including Nik Ehlers and William Nylander. With the No. 6 overall pick, the draft on June 27-28 will be the Canucks’ most important draft since they took the Sedins at the top in 1999. The combine interviews can have a fairly significant impact on which player a team selects. Here's Ritchie's interview saying he was interviewed by 25 teams http://video.oilers.nhl.com/videocenter/console?catid=4&id=622716 You would think that the Canucks (6th overall pick) would be one of the 25/30 teams that interviewed Ritchie (ranked 7th overall). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canorth Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Yeah. They dont run here to GLOAT on how months ago they knew that guy was special all along. None of us who knew how special Nylander was needed to do that. We arent ego maniacs. Especially a guy who PUMPED Ritchie over and over now claims he was a Nylander guy. This has always been my frustration with Minister. He talks out both sides of his mouth because he cant bare to be wrong later on. I called him out on it. So what. He needs to live with his decisions. This is called being objective. He has provided valuable info along with his own insights as to what he thinks will happen at the draft. I find it very helpful, as do I most of your posts. I originally thought your obsession with theminister was funny; however, now it is getting pretty weird and awkward. Your perceptions of his posts are off. I understand that you do not like him so please just put him on ignore - you are wrecking this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ossi Vaananen Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Haven't seen anybody link this article from Last Word on Sports http://lastwordonsports.com/2014/06/02/2014-nhl-combine-heights-weights/ Thanks for this. It confirms that Ehlers and Nylander are 160ish, that's pretty tiny. I see McKeown is closer to 6'1", I really like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knucklehd Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 OMG, this thread has become absurd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gyllenhaal Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Thanks for this. It confirms that Ehlers and Nylander are 160ish, that's pretty tiny. I see McKeown is closer to 6'1", I really like that. Those are the old measurements. The new measurements haven't been released yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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