Nikita Tryamkin | D

[elvis15]

On 1/2/2017 at 11:14 PM, SilentSam said:

Nothing crazy about it Elvis.

I'll stick with my quote.

A lot of Norris candidates looked less in their first season,. Or even less than  a candidate at 22 years old.

The Norris is won by D men in their prime..  and Nik isn't there,. Yet.   

And a lot of eventual busts or even marginal players looked like more early on. Prime or no, patience without crazy expectations is healthy for players and fans alike.

[N4ZZY]

Groot may receive an offer sheet, but he's not an elite level dman - not yet. He's good, but is he worth offering 7 million for? I don't think so. He has size like Chara, but that might be where comparisons end (for now). 

I say sign him for 4-5 year deal worth 3-3.5 million. He's not Tanev level like in terms of his defense, and he's shown very little offense this season. But I agree, if Benning can sign him and lock him up long term, do it. 

 

[WHL rocks]

1 hour ago, Zedlee said:

Going to be an interesting negotiation with Tryamkin.  He's still raw with tons of potential...what is that worth?  I"d say somewhere between 2 and 2.5 million for per season for as long as he will sign for is about right...same as Hutton.  I wouldn't give him Sbisa type money yet.

 

They also have to sign Bo and Gudbranson to new deals.  Guddy is going to want a big payday, but I'm not sure he's worth more than Tanev ($4.5 mill).  

 

 

You are right, there is no way "Guddy" is worth more than Tanev. Tanev is one of the best defensive Dmen in the league. He's a top pair Dman who plays against other teams' best players. "Guddy" has played like a 3rd pair Dman on the Canucks this season. 

 

Gudbranson will probably get the same amount of money as Tanev though but Tanev is a much much better player.

 

I'd say Tryamkin gets around 2.5 mil per season for 2 years before signing a more lucrative long term deal. 

Edited January 6, 2017 by WHL rocks

[N4ZZY]

19 minutes ago, WHL rocks said:

You are right, there is no way "Guddy" is worth more than Tanev. Tanev is one of the best defensive Dmen in the league. He's a top pair Dman who plays against other teams' best players. "Guddy" has played like a 3rd pair Dman on the Canucks this season. 

 

Gudbranson will probably get the same amount of money as Tanev though but Tanev is a much much better player.

 

I'd say Tryamkin gets around 2.5 mil per season for 2 years before signing a more lucrative long term deal. 

Guddy shouid get 3.5 - 3.75 million. 

[Father Ryan]

30 minutes ago, N4ZZY said:

Guddy shouid get 3.5 - 3.75 million. 

I'm figuring in between this and the 2.5M that @WHL rocks suggested. Call it 2.75, 3, 3.25 (total 9M) over 3 years. We should have a good idea about what our future D is going to look like. Edler, if still here, will be showing what he as an elder statesman can do; likely stay at home. Hutton and Stetcher will have matured and running PP #1 and #2. Tanev, in his prime. Joulevi should be with the team by then. Brisebois might be ready. I still doubt Subban ever sees the NHL in a Canuck uniform. The interesting part is this year; do we lose Sbisa in the expansion draft? if so, then Guddy should be able to get a decent contract. If not, and Sbisa keeps playing at his current level or better, I'm not too sure about keeping Guddy, at least at the price he was trying to get last year. This leaves Groot, and gives Benning a problem, albeit a nice problem, of whom to select for the team that should be playoff ready and possibly thinking about the Cup in the next couple of years.

[SilentSam]

2 hours ago, elvis15 said:

And a lot of eventual busts or even marginal players looked like more early on. Prime or no, patience without crazy expectations is healthy for players and fans alike.

Your talking expectations, I'm not.

Im saying "possible".. and I am being patient when I talk about Nik in his prime.

He has been playing against men in the KHL for 2 years previous to this.. and played well.

This is his first year in the NHL.. and I see his potential, and his possibilities as a player when he primes.

i think it's exciting actually.. 

You seem far removed from that, almost as though to have enthusiasm, or excitement for a player will "jinx" him.

I am enthusiastically cheering Nik on to be the best that he can be.

You can sit on your hands and keep your fingers crossed Elvis.

 

 

Edited January 7, 2017 by SilentSam

[canuckistani]

If i were Benning, i'd offer Tryamkin a 3/3.5 million for 8 years type of deal. Will be overpayment for the first 2 years of the deal (not by much), but will be a steal and half for the last 4 years of it.

A bit of Duncan Keith-esque deal.

 

[Mackcanuck]

 Stu Walters‏@StuWaltersmedia

Asked #Canucks Ryan Miller if he's noticing an increasingly improved effectiveness from Tryamkin in his own zone

 

[Mackcanuck]

 First Tryamkin points out to Megna that he’s covering the wrong guy and giving the forward along the side boards way too much cushion.

He does this clearly knowing that Tkachuk is open behind the net.

Because once the puck gets pushed behind Miller, BFG instantly recognizes that Tkachuk is going to try and make a play to the slot.

Tyamkin blocks the pass and then, on one knee, flicks the puck back, between his legs and away from Miller.

 

 

 

This is pretty darn athletic for a huge man(Granlund tipped it in)

 

Edited January 13, 2017 by Mackcanuck

[canucklehead44]

On 1/2/2017 at 2:03 PM, hobart16 said:

 

 

Couldn't agree more.  I don't get the criticism of Gudbranson.  He is a consistent, physical presence on a team that is not known for bruising their opponents, and he has some upside.  As the game is changing, he can probably drop a little weight and improve his quickness.  With Stecher coming on you have to balance that with some beef.  Tryamkin certainly fills that bill too but he needs more seasoning and does not play with the consistency of Gud.  

I don't think the fanbase has turned on Gudbranson, and he could take time for him to settle in. 

That said:

1. We gave up a high 2nd round pick and one of our top prospects for him. 
2. He was set to be our #3 guy - the anchor on our second pairing.
3. His on-ice play has been flat out awful. 

He is the 6th worst defenseman in the NHL on GF%/60 (ratio of goals generated vs goals allowed per 60 minutes while on the ice). 

Out of the five worse than him, one is back in the AHL (Theodore) and the other four play for either Buffalo, Colorado, or Arizona. 

Two other physical stay at home dmen on the team with much lower expectations have outplayed him - Tryamkin and Sbisa. Since going down, Hutton's GF% stat line has gone up about 20%, albeit the team has played a lot better since Gudbranson has been injured (correlation, I wouldn't say causation). 

Sbisa and Tryamkin actually have pretty good two-way numbers. Tanev is all defense. In fact, he is an absolute monster defensively. Tanev is 8th best in the league for GA/60. This is even more impressive when you consider:

1. He is on a team that allows a lot of goals
2. He is a top minute man on a team that allows a lot of goals
3. The players in front of him are all bottom pairing or #7 dmen (sheltered minutes). 

Remove the noise, and really the only defenseman who is really more effective than Tanev at preventing goals is Shea Weber. 

So we have stay-at-home defenseman and physical defenseman who are doing a great job. If all Gudbranson can bring is physicality, that is not enough. He needs to be better, and he WILL be better.

[Borvat]

16 minutes ago, canucklehead44 said:

I don't think the fanbase has turned on Gudbranson, and he could take time for him to settle in. 

That said:

1. We gave up a high 2nd round pick and one of our top prospects for him. 
2. He was set to be our #3 guy - the anchor on our second pairing.
3. His on-ice play has been flat out awful. 

He is the 6th worst defenseman in the NHL on GF%/60 (ratio of goals generated vs goals allowed per 60 minutes while on the ice). 

Out of the five worse than him, one is back in the AHL (Theodore) and the other four play for either Buffalo, Colorado, or Arizona. 

Two other physical stay at home dmen on the team with much lower expectations have outplayed him - Tryamkin and Sbisa. Since going down, Hutton's GF% stat line has gone up about 20%, albeit the team has played a lot better since Gudbranson has been injured (correlation, I wouldn't say causation). 

Sbisa and Tryamkin actually have pretty good two-way numbers. Tanev is all defense. In fact, he is an absolute monster defensively. Tanev is 8th best in the league for GA/60. This is even more impressive when you consider:

1. He is on a team that allows a lot of goals
2. He is a top minute man on a team that allows a lot of goals
3. The players in front of him are all bottom pairing or #7 dmen (sheltered minutes). 

Remove the noise, and really the only defenseman who is really more effective than Tanev at preventing goals is Shea Weber. 

So we have stay-at-home defenseman and physical defenseman who are doing a great job. If all Gudbranson can bring is physicality, that is not enough. He needs to be better, and he WILL be better.

 

He has been suffering from his wrist injury since October and it sounds like it was a problem that started even before that.  Sounds pretty limiting actually.  See below.  Would hate to sell low on this guy:

 

What we do know is the injury started bothering him pretty early in the season, likely near the end of October. By the first week in November, he had started seeing specialists, trying to figure out his options.

That went on for weeks.

“It was sore for the better part of the season,”Gudbranson revealed

By the end of the month, it was clear he was going to need a procedure, it was just a matter of when.

The injury was problematic. It was to the wrist on his dominant hand.

It is that right hand he has always counted on for leverage, using it often, just about exclusively, when pushing players in front of the crease and along the boards in attempts to win battles.

“I had some ligaments re-attached and some bone chips removed,” Guddy said. “There were some pins in there.

“I tore ligaments and bones that shifted because of the instability. It got really tough to do my job.

“Holding a stick was difficult. The biggest thing with me was my inflection backwards and pushing guys.

“This is the hand I use to guide guys, so it was really tough. If I’m in a board battle or in front of the net, this is the hand I’d be pushing with.”

Is that enough to reconsider your position on Guddy’s season?

Or are you ready to trade him?

 

 

[SilentSam]

Half way thru 1st against Calgary.. Looks like Nik is getting the "Green Light" tonight !!  .. and Edler playing like he is his gritty self awesome!

[canucklehead44]

9 hours ago, Borvat said:

 

He has been suffering from his wrist injury since October and it sounds like it was a problem that started even before that.  Sounds pretty limiting actually.  See below.  Would hate to sell low on this guy:

 

What we do know is the injury started bothering him pretty early in the season, likely near the end of October. By the first week in November, he had started seeing specialists, trying to figure out his options.

That went on for weeks.

“It was sore for the better part of the season,”Gudbranson revealed

By the end of the month, it was clear he was going to need a procedure, it was just a matter of when.

The injury was problematic. It was to the wrist on his dominant hand.

It is that right hand he has always counted on for leverage, using it often, just about exclusively, when pushing players in front of the crease and along the boards in attempts to win battles.

“I had some ligaments re-attached and some bone chips removed,” Guddy said. “There were some pins in there.

“I tore ligaments and bones that shifted because of the instability. It got really tough to do my job.

“Holding a stick was difficult. The biggest thing with me was my inflection backwards and pushing guys.

“This is the hand I use to guide guys, so it was really tough. If I’m in a board battle or in front of the net, this is the hand I’d be pushing with.”

Is that enough to reconsider your position on Guddy’s season?

Or are you ready to trade him?

 

 

I am on the sign Guddy long-term boat. He will be a good player for us. 

[Lancaster]

If only Tryamkin can develop a little more edge to this game.  Not saying he's soft... but at his size and with the strength he has, he should be hammering guys.

He goes seem to be a little bit more timid after the Richardson incident.  Perhaps he's really afraid of hurting others. 

[elvis15]

On 1/6/2017 at 4:13 PM, SilentSam said:

Your talking expectations, I'm not.

Im saying "possible".. and I am being patient when I talk about Nik in his prime.

He has been playing against men in the KHL for 2 years previous to this.. and played well.

This is his first year in the NHL.. and I see his potential, and his possibilities as a player when he primes.

i think it's exciting actually.. 

You seem far removed from that, almost as though to have enthusiasm, or excitement for a player will "jinx" him.

I am enthusiastically cheering Nik on to be the best that he can be.

You can sit on your hands and keep your fingers crossed Elvis.

Expectations vs possibilities - semantics. Nothing to do with whether I'm cheering him or not (which I am of course).

 

He hasn't shown anything close to the total game that'd get him a nomination, but of course you can say anyone could possibly be something they don't look like yet. It's still a stretch to even suggest it at this point.

Edited January 8, 2017 by elvis15

[Mackcanuck]

This is where we lost the game

 

 

When Ferland hit Tryamkin and he had to go to the dressing room, it was over. This is what happened.

 

 

 

Just like that, it was 2-0 Flames.

Strangely enough, Tryamkin has become a difference maker for this team. Shot attempts with him on the ice Saturday were 23 for and 13 against. That’s a differential of plus-10. It led the Canucks and it was three more than anyone else on the team.

 

http://dailyhive.com/vancouver/canucks-flames-recap-january-7-2017

 

 

Edited January 8, 2017 by Mackcanuck

[Hugor Hill]

10 hours ago, Lancaster said:

If only Tryamkin can develop a little more edge to this game.  Not saying he's soft... but at his size and with the strength he has, he should be hammering guys.

He goes seem to be a little bit more timid after the Richardson incident.  Perhaps he's really afraid of hurting others. 

Give him a couple of playoff defeats, then he'll learn to hate.

[Hugor Hill]

1 hour ago, Mackcanuck said:

This is where we lost the game

 

 

When Ferland hit Tryamkin and he had to go to the dressing room, it was over. This is what happened.

 

 

 

Just like that, it was 2-0 Flames.

Strangely enough, Tryamkin has become a difference maker for this team. Shot attempts with him on the ice Saturday were 23 for and 13 against. That’s a differential of plus-10. It led the Canucks and it was three more than anyone else on the team.

 

 

F&%king ferklund, it's always ferklund.

Tryamkin is not used being targeted. I hope after this he has his radar up for ferklund. Time to develop some personal rivalries.

 

[73 Percent]

11 minutes ago, Hugor Hill said:

F&%king ferklund, it's always ferklund.

Tryamkin is not used being targeted. I hope after this he has his radar up for ferklund. Time to develop some personal rivalries.

 

What more does he have to do to develop hate from this team. Still to this day he just skates around gooning it up and no one says boo. 

[Boudrias]

2 hours ago, Gooseberries said:

What more does he have to do to develop hate from this team. Still to this day he just skates around gooning it up and no one says boo. 

Cannot agree on that one. I would have Ferlund on my team in a flash. The hit on Tryamkin was totally legit. The Flamers were more physical last night but no where near what I expected. If complaining about Flamer hitting I would point out Tkachuk. He made a number of questionable hits and has done so since breaking in.