theminister Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Whoops you got me. He isn't injury prone. Just washed up. Also wrong. Just as much evidence to support both claims. As in, none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Also wrong. Just as much evidence to support both claims. As in, none. Jordan is the oft injured one, but i'd still be worried about E. Staals knee myself long term. A couple of solid hits over the last year sidelining him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonMexico Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Also wrong. Just as much evidence to support both claims. As in, none. Declining goal scoring says enough for me. A former 40 goal threat who is now more of a 25 goal threat. You could argue that the supporting staff around him has also declined so it makes sense but I see a player who peaked early in his career. His last two full NHL seasons have been underwhelming compared to his early career seasons. His exclusion from the Olympic team also says to me that he is no longer considered in the same class as other top Canadian NHL players. I just don't think he is as good as he used to be. Perhaps new surroundings may help him become a premier offensive threat again. If Carolina is trying to get themselves McDavid, which I assume is the notion behind possibly moving him, they are better off keeping Staal around to help ease the immediate burden that will be on McDavid if they get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Declining goal scoring says enough for me. A former 40 goal threat who is now more of a 25 goal threat. You could argue that the supporting staff around him has also declined so it makes sense but I see a player who peaked early in his career. His last two full NHL seasons have been underwhelming compared to his early career seasons. His exclusion from the Olympic team also says to me that he is no longer considered in the same class as other top Canadian NHL players. I just don't think he is as good as he used to be. Perhaps new surroundings may help him become a premier offensive threat again. If Carolina is trying to get themselves McDavid, which I assume is the notion behind possibly moving him, they are better off keeping Staal around to help ease the immediate burden that will be on McDavid if they get him. So much wrong with this. In all but two seasons of his career Staal has put up at least 70 points and in the lockout shortened year still put up 53 points in 48 games. So no, he is not by any means washed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonMexico Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 So much wrong with this. In all but two seasons of his career Staal has put up at least 70 points and in the lockout shortened year still put up 53 points in 48 games. So no, he is not by any means washed up. I don't see anything wrong with my opinion as it's just an opinion. The all but 2 seasons you refer to are the most recent full seasons. The lockout season can't be used to determine full season performance as it was a different circumstance. In my opinion, the Leafs, or any other team thinking of acquiring him, have to be mindful that perhaps his best days are behind him. The cost to acquire him, which is likely going to be high, will likely not be worth the return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 I don't see anything wrong with my opinion as it's just an opinion. The all but 2 seasons you refer to are the most recent full seasons. The lockout season can't be used to determine full season performance as it was a different circumstance. In my opinion, the Leafs, or any other team thinking of acquiring him, have to be mindful that perhaps his best days are behind him. The cost to acquire him, which is likely going to be high, will likely not be worth the return. Or that his scoring has gone down slightly, although only compared to his one spike year, he is still reliable as a PPG player. Also, his overall game has improved since then and he is a more complete player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 I don't see anything wrong with my opinion as it's just an opinion. The all but 2 seasons you refer to are the most recent full seasons. The lockout season can't be used to determine full season performance as it was a different circumstance. In my opinion, the Leafs, or any other team thinking of acquiring him, have to be mindful that perhaps his best days are behind him. The cost to acquire him, which is likely going to be high, will likely not be worth the return. Now normally that would be true, except when speaking fo the canucks and ONLY on the CDC forums of course because these are speaking of the rest of the teams careers based off of less than 50 games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Yes I know who that leaves them with. It also leaves them with the better chance at Mc Jesus and if the Leafs do their usual thing two top 10 picks in this years draft. I do have to say though, that there is almost NO WAY Jordan Staal alone is worth that package, he is frequently injured not a big point getter and not even a solid shut down center anymore. While Carolina adds Nylander (fan recognition) Reilly (solid blue line player) and a 1st which could be an additional top 10 pick. For good ol Nonis, it's that knee jerk move Leafs fans are used to, it makes them appear competitive by not giving up much in the roster and assures their mediocrity for an additional decade as is usual. You cannot seriously tell me that doesn't look like a deal Nonis would do in a moment. Remember what he allegedly offered for Richards Maybe Nonis is an idiot? Can't really do business counting on it. But its too early to say the same for Francis. Although Francis pretty much held his hand this past summer. Not sure how he expected to improve aside from expecting all his players to rebound with no stimulus? In any case. I remain massively doubtful Carolina trades its top 2 centers without receiving a center back. Nylander is years from being a top pivot. And in my understanding was expected to play wing in the NHL? That's where we are asking Francis to be just as neglectful to his teams needs in search of Connor. All I am saying is any deal prob has to include Kadri. In reality, I would think they would have to give up Nylander, Kadri and Reilly (plus)? This is both Staals and the chance for the balance after all... TBH, the whole concept does my head in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Maybe Nonis is an idiot? Can't really do business counting on it. But its too early to say the same for Francis. Although Francis pretty much held his hand this past summer. Not sure how he expected to improve aside from expecting all his players to rebound with no stimulus? In any case. I remain massively doubtful Carolina trades its top 2 centers without receiving a center back. Nylander is years from being a top pivot. And in my understanding was expected to play wing in the NHL? That's where we are asking Francis to be just as neglectful to his teams needs in search of Connor. All I am saying is any deal prob has to include Kadri. In reality, I would think they would have to give up Nylander, Kadri and Reilly (plus)? This is both Staals and the chance for the balance after all... TBH, the whole concept does my head in. All ya needed to say. And yes, Nonis has proven time and again to be an idiot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mephnick Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Man, if the Leafs got both Staal's they could...be as good as Carolina! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcrguy Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Whoops you got me. He isn't injury prone. Just washed up. Is he the one Edler cheap shot in the International game or is that another Staal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lui's Knob Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 What could they offer that helps Carolina? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2SKATES1STICK Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Is he the one Edler cheap shot in the International game yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Why don't they just trade players, stock up on draft picks and build the team the right way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70seven Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 eric staal would be a sweet pickup for the Buds. given that bozak plays so well with kessel, staal would likely play on the other top 6 unit, and provide them with 2 legitimate threats. carolina also gets young and gifted offensive players, and sets up a future d-core of murphy, gardiner, and fleury.... none too shabby. I suspect if this deal does go down, itll only be a matter of time till jordan and skinner are moved. and then the possibillity of adding mcdavid... and boom. also a decent destination point for one of lack/markstrom imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2SKATES1STICK Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Staal brings work ethic. Makes Kessel look fatter and lazier than he already does Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THERETOOL Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 stall has disappointed me in every pool I've picked him in .. Hope the leafs can get him . love to see them disappointed too . hah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morrissex95 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 they should really try to acquire both Staal brothers probably cost them Nylander + 1st for Jordan and Kadri + Bozak + Percy for Eric doing it in a package deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2SKATES1STICK Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Nonis probs is gonna add in Nylander to pick up Jared too. He's tHe most talented afterall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinatcc Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Staal brings work ethic. Makes Kessel look fatter and lazier than he already does What's with the fat and lazy jabs on Kessel isn't he one of the more dynamic and faster players in the NHL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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