clutesi Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 We have no depth, Sutter at least gives us a useful defensive centre, one of the many positions we don't have at the moment including a first-line PP leading defenseman, a bid dman to clear the net, a hight end sniper, and some fast gritty forwards who can forecheck on a four line. Sigh. So yeah, we miss him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanTSN Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 On that note Bonino was as well last season. He had like two bad knees though and wore knee braces for most of the season. He was played into the ice here after coming from some kind icetime in Anaheim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Prophet Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 7 minutes ago, coastal1 said: Unfortunate events! Yes, I guess that's one way to see it. Or maybe, Bo is not one of the top centers in the league after all. And Sbisa is not a stud on defence after all, and Miller is really as old as he is and wayyyyy past his prime, and the Canucks have been decimated by injuries (or injury). Maybe? Um, nobody said Bo was going to be one of the top centers in his 2nd year? Certainly no Benning, which is why he went for Sutter in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HK Phooey Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 1 minute ago, Crabcakes said: This for sure......depth.....and given that the Canucks are going with 2 very young centres, I would suggest the only other injury that would cause more grief to the Canucks and their ability to win would be Hank. Sutter is a foundational player. Yes he is. Kind of. What I mean is that he is strong defensively and shores up the middle while the young centres develop, and provides reasonable offence. It's a small sample but 4-4-8 +4 over 16 games pro-rates to 20 goals, 20 assists which is just fine. But Sutter is 26 and by virtue of that is a bridge player. He will fill a hole in the middle until the young centres mature. It is obviously an important hole to have filled. By that definition, yes Sutter is a foundational player. Losing Henrik would be a disaster of epic proportions. The support a guy like Sutter provides Henrik is under-appreciated, though that sort of contradicts the roll Henrik and Daniel went on right after Sutter was out (maybe knowing Sutter was out gave the Sedins the mental juice they needed to elevate their game for the stretch it did...looks like the Sedins' production has settled back down, which would mean that Sedins have another gear they can get to if they are inspired to get there). What the Canucks seem to be missing in their mental make up is that when a player like Sutter goes up, everyone needs to raise their game an extra 20% or so...the Sedins did it...the rest of the team didn't. I don't know if that falls on the players or the coaches...but one thing is for sure: the depth is so lacking in the Canucks organization that one player (it's actually more than one when you add in Sbisa and Hutton) going down has this kind effect. I hope this expedites the kids' development. If that happens then there's a light at the end of the tunnel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush17 Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 Brandon Sutter is a "foundational player" as Jim Benning quoted. Enuf said. Sutter = gangster (key piece to winning a cup and trust me he will win oneif not many in his career.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoughtysCheck Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 We should play Sutter on defense. He's probably better than half our defenders right now at defending Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianRugby Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 Sutter being out is not the reason our D play like garbage half the time. Sutter being out is not the reason nobody other than the Sedins score. Sutter being out is not the reason the compete level on this team is nonexistent. Sutter being out is not the reason the Canucks are still a soft team. So. Is Benning right about Sutter? Maybe, maybe not. But the dumpster fire that we call the Canucks are right now, doesn't prove that Sutter is a foundational player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Jones Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 17 minutes ago, DoughtysCheck said: We should play Sutter on defense. He's probably better than half our defenders right now at defending Our defence isn't the issue. We can't score and we can't sustain time in the offensive zone. We are over - working our blue line because we can't make a clean pass to save our lives outside of the Sedins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoughtysCheck Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 6 minutes ago, Lenny Jones said: Our defence isn't the issue. We can't score and we can't sustain time in the offensive zone. We are over - working our blue line because we can't make a clean pass to save our lives outside of the Sedins. we can't score because we can't implement a system which fully utilizes our forwards due to how weak our backend is. Willie is implementing a system where the forwards constantly needs to help our backend. That's why you mainly see 2 forwards on offense with one playing up high to help cover our d Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iBlueGreen Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 10 minutes ago, CanadianRugby said: Sutter being out is not the reason our D play like garbage half the time. Sutter being out is not the reason nobody other than the Sedins score. Sutter being out is not the reason the compete level on this team is nonexistent. Sutter being out is not the reason the Canucks are still a soft team. So. Is Benning right about Sutter? Maybe, maybe not. But the dumpster fire that we call the Canucks are right now, doesn't prove that Sutter is a foundational player. No disrespect, but maybe you should stay with Rugby as I only played in high school. To use boxing as an example, when you are going into a fight as a boxer, you need a few tools. Given that both fighters have all the physical assets, what you would need as tools are: 1)The left hook - ( 1st line ) 2)Upper Cut ( 2nd line - Sutter) 3)The Jab ( 3rd line) 4)Body Shots ( 4th Line ) 5) Defensive Ability (Defense and Center - one of the Sutter) Using various combinations of this during a battle would hopefully lead to success. If you are missing one you could be in trouble. Right now our upper cut is not up to par ! Just saying! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesB Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 1 hour ago, Canucks Prophet said: Well yeah, two way players are kind of a major part of a competitive hockey team in this modern age. We've seen too many examples of this to ignore it. Look at what guy like Toews, Kopitar, and Bergeron are making. They're obviously in demand. We had a consistent 2nd line center in Kesler to hold down the position for years, which is probably why some people are taking it for granted now. So in short, yes Sutter is valuable. The optimism is that Bo can take on this role in the near future. I agree completely that Sutter is valuable and that we are hoping Bo can grow into this role (good two-way center who play effectively in shutdown, on the PK, and sometimes on the PP, and provide significant secondary scoring at the 2C or 3C position). However, to me the story is not whether Sutter is good. He needs to be good in view of what Benning gave up to get him in players, a draft pick exchange, and cap hit to get him. And that is the problem. Because Benning is paying so much for Sutter (Sbisa, Dorsett and Prust) there is not enough cap room to pay for another quality two-way center (like Richardson was last year). When a couple of injuries hit (as they always do) the Canucks do not have the depth to continue playing at a high level. That is what cap management is all about. Benning does not seem to pay much attention to the cap and of course fired the Canucks' cap expert (Laurence Gilman) -- probably because he was tired of Gilman disagreeing about the contracts Benning was handing out. (And it is believed that Gliman was unhappy with several of those deals.) Benning has always been a scouting/player evaluation guy, not a cap guy. I hope he is learning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 Sutter can't exactly help us when he's injured; however, considering our woes started with his injury, it's pretty apparently he leaves us a huge gap when he's not in the lineup. I doubt Bonino would have had the same impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desiboynux4lifee******* Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 this is horrible. Imagine this was playoffs, so we lose a series because one player goes down? lol Sutter is not a Grezkty, there is no excuse for this performance by this team and it shows one thing that management is too blind to see that the veterans need to go and guys who fail attention to detail eg Edler, Sbisa, weber need to go. Benning is building a funny model here by having players who can't make a simple pass out of the zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jovocop55 Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 this team miss sutter alot.. and sbisa too... sad to say, sbisa is probably the best dmen after tanev this season.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 The best part of using the term "foundational player" is that it implies the building of something entirely new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 2 hours ago, D-Money said: The best part of using the term "foundational player" is that it implies the building of something entirely new. But it's CDC, where building upside down is in style! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathew Barzal Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 A foundational player who got outplayed at center position by a sophomore and a rookie. And now he's lost his RW position to Hansen. He'll probably bump the kids down as a pity move when he returns though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamth Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Guess we can believe in the Linden TEAM - though its hard to absorb a loser team right now... who knows literally nothing about winning. Willie u practicing to lose seems like it? LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush17 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 When hammer and burr are traded. Sutter will be wearing an A I garauntee it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush17 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 1 hour ago, Mathew Barzal said: A foundational player who got outplayed at center position by a sophomore and a rookie. And now he's lost his RW position to Hansen. He'll probably bump the kids down as a pity move when he returns though. not outplayed. They were given favor by the coach and GM to help their development. If they could be in the AHL they would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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