2017 NHL Draft - Chicago, Illinois June 23-24 2017

[missioncanucksfan]

1 hour ago, Scruffy05 said:

Does anybody have a link to his reddit post for last year?

Full info:

 

April 17 2016 <<<<< are we sure about this date?

Hello Reddit, It's that time again. Last year I made some posts on the future of Vancouver, How they would approach the NHL Draft, and most importantly the Direction the team is going on.

I have multiple Sources in both the NHL community, inside the Vancouver Canucks circle, and some inside reports on how the Canucks are moving forward with the direction of this team.

I have always stated that these are stories, reports, and facts that were discussed with me, I will gladly discuss my merits through a PM process, go ahead.

If you are not interested in this knowledge, everything is wonderful, just thought a few reddit posters would be interested.

• Coaching information: The Canucks have contacted multiple coaching candidates, they have had some preliminary conversations with Crawford (phone call permission only), Bob Hartley, Sheldon Keefe, Dave Lowry, Travis Green, Daryl Sutter, Shaun Clouston. >> I really hope Sutter gets picked

Jim Benning currently has had the most significant conversions with Travis green, Dave Lowry, and Shaun Clouston.>> Clouston the Medicine Hat Connection

• Future Direction: Ownership is on board with the "Rebuild", and they have given the management which I was told "The green light" to move forward with a future first plan. Ownership changed their tone about a month after the all-star break.

• Drafting Strategy: The Canucks are all in on a Play-making Center. They are also interested in finding a true puck-moving D-man. The names that I am hearing that the Canucks have the most interest in are as follows.

Nolan Patrick Nico Hischier Casey Mittelstadt Cale Makar Martin Necas Nicholas Suzuki ....>>> I can see Suzuki getting picked if we aquire another 1st by trading Tanev

For the second round, Robert Thomas is a name that keeps coming up in nearly all discussions. Jaret Anderson-Dolan is another name that has been on the eyes of the canucks scouting staff for quite some time.>>> PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE GET THOMAS, THERE IS SO MUCH TO LIKE OF THIS KID

The Attributes that the Canucks are looking for instinctively are Hands, speed, skill.

• Tidbit: Look for another member of the Canucks 2011 run to be inducted to the Ring of Honor. Sami Salo seems like the front runner at this moment.

• >>>>Balls Of Steel chant and hopefully he gets talked into joining Malhotra on development staff

• Bo Horvat has been invited to the World Championships, unfortunately, with Bo's contract situation is currently being worked on, Horvat let Hockey Canada know that he unfortunately cannot go unless it's rectified sooner rather then later. Smart move Bo....hint hint Benning

Hope you all found some of this information useful.

If you have any sort of questions, Feel free to PM me.

Edited April 18, 2017 by missioncanucksfan

[wellnon]

2 minutes ago, missioncanucksfan said:

If you are not interested in this knowledge, everything is wonderful, just thought a few reddit posters would be interested.

• Coaching information: The Canucks have contacted multiple coaching candidates, they have had some preliminary conversations with Crawford (phone call permission only), Bob Hartley, Sheldon Keefe, Dave Lowry, Travis Green, Daryl Sutter, Shaun Clouston. >> I really hope Sutter gets picked

Ralph Krueger just got linked to the Canucks but isnt on this guys list.  I wonder how accurate this info is or if the Ralph Krueger connection holds any truth.  .    

[Noble 6]

1 hour ago, drummerboy said:

For me, easily Liljegrin.  

I love watching the kid play.  

He is an incredible skater.  

The thought of having two possible #1 Dmen in Liljegrin and Juolevi gets me pretty stoked about the future. 

 

I like Liljegren a lot too, but it sounds like his play at the U18's is a legitimate cause for concern. Have you seen him play there at all?

[Noble 6]

Double post.

Edited April 18, 2017 by Horvat is a Boss

[missioncanucksfan]

Canada plays Finland tomorrow.... if Glass scores another goal, there should be serious heads turning in his direction

[Mr.53]

I just want us to keep the second overall pick. If we do, I package up Ben Hutton and Markus Granlund + to get Matt Duchene. Hutton, Granlund, and Subban for Duchene and a small piece back. They get their young NHL defenseman in Hutton, a forward to help ease the loss of Duchene in Granlund, (32 points in 69 games during his first season is nothing to scoff at. Matt Duchene, albeit a down year, only put up 41 points in 77 games himself.), plus an offensive defensman prospect already getting pro experience. Colorado gets all 3 pieces they want and ask for, and we walk away with the best player in the deal. Seems fair to me. I love Hutton, but you have to give to get, and right now we have both Juolevi and Stecher who are going to be big time for us, as well as Tryamkin and Gudbranson to play defensive d. He's just the most expendable. But in Colorado, maybe next to a guy like Erik Johnson? Damn. Subban also is a player that can have NHL success, but with Stecher and Juolevi, his spot has just been taken. In Colorado, we would be a welcomed prospect. Meloche would remain their number 1 defensive prospect, while Bigras would be their top defensive dman prospect, and Subban would become their top offensive dman prospect. If we could lock up Matt Duchene plus one of the top 2 picks this year, our team will finally be able to score goals consistently again. That would be a major boost to the forward core, for now and the future.

 

If we get 2nd overall, we take whoever is not picked out of Nolan or Hischer. We then go to Colorado and make a trade.

 

To Van: Matt Duchene

To Col: Ben Hutton, Markus Granlund, and Jordan Subban

 

Our lineup going into next season:

 

Goldobin - Duchene - Patrick/Hischer (A speedy offensive line that can score. Goldobin and Duchene could be magic. Patrick could also change position/role with Boeser and Sutter. Hischer is more locked in but not a disappointment. This line takes majore scoring pressure off the Sedin Twins as well as the Horvat line.) (If Hischer than the line would be Hischer -Duchene - Goldobin. Still an offensive scorers line. Defense is still a possible liability, but I think it's work a shot.)

Baetschi - Horvat - Boeser (Our number 1 shutdown line. Horvat matches up against top matchups, and uses Baertschi and Boeser as tools to score. Horvat, above his years, has the ability to make others play better. We are already seeing it with Baertschi and Boeser. Also with Duchene on first line, massive pressure is taken off of Horvat.)

Sedin - Sutter - Sedin (A quality third line. Sutter acts as the shutdown two-way cetner, while Henrik moves to wing, and the Sedins use their offense deep in the lineup, taking massive pressure off. All 3 veterans also play major roles on special teams.)

Boucher - Gaunce - Dorsett (Quality 4th line that acts as a defensive specialist third line. The Sedins and Sutter are too be deployed as an offensive bottom 6 line, so this line is too be deployed as a defensive bottom 6 line. Boucher adds some offense, and Dorsett adds some grit.)

 

Incoming players from Utica and the and NCAA are Dahlen - Gaudette - Virtanen. Virtanen and Dahlen will likely be ready next season as the Sedins likely step down, and Gaudette soon follows. Dahlen and Virtanen are also likely to be called up mid season due to injuries and open spots.

 

On defense I want to see

Edler - Gudbranson (That could be a formidable first pairing. Edler needs to play with a defensively conscious player to get the most out of him, and Gudbranson needs a more experienced defender than Hutton to get the most out of him. Perfect match. They're both also big strong, athletic defensmen that would be able to match up against big or small opponents. Exactly what you want in a first pairing. They get top minutes and top pairings.)

Tryamkin - Tanev (Not much offense in this pairing, but lots of D. Tanev can also take Tryamkin under his wing and pass on his defensive puck moving skills to make him a truly dynamic defensive player. Also keep in mind, with new guys like Goldobin, Boeser, Nolan/Hischer, or even the Sedins, we need guys that can defend and help bring them along the way. This is a defensive specialist pairing after the first. Tanevs calm cool presence could complement Tryamkins well.)

(Sbisa?) - Stecher (This is more of an offensive pairing to be played after the first. When we need a jolt of offense, we send in Stecher. Stecher ialso becomes a PP specialist. In order to do this, he would need a veteran D man to help him defensively. Sbisa is likely to be taken in expansion draft, so another guy will be needed to help bring Stecher along and avoid a sophmore slump. He'll move up after injuries occur.)

 

Incoming players include: Juolevi, or even Brisebois and Neill. Next season there will likely be an open spot for a left handed defender given Sbisa or a 1 year signing for Stecher. Really, as long as Stecher makes a smooth transition, everything will fall into place. I'm even willing to trade a Subban to make this happen. I see Brisebois eventually replacing Edler at some point and Neill eventually replacing Tanev as well. But that's way far in the future.

 

If we could walk into next season with this team, with those prospects that we already have coming in, plus Demko showing flashes of beastliness, we could be in a very good spot for the future. That is a team that can make the playoffs, with a lot of young prospects ready to come in and replace vets in the next few years. 

 

Edit: I totally forgot about Loui Eriksson! Goes to show how invisible he has been for us this year. But if he was in the lineup, I would probably have it like this:

 

Eriksson - Duchene - Patrick/Hischer

Baertschi - Hrovat- Boeser

Sedin - Sedin - Goldobin

Boucher - Sutter - Dorsett

 

Still, you get what I mean. Duchene and a potential 2nd overall pick would be a huge boost to our offense.

 

Edited April 18, 2017 by Mr.53

[Bure_Pavel]

10 hours ago, J.R. said:

Problem with this though is that there isn't really a consensus from 3-10'ish. Literally any of them could go in any order.

 

Vilardi may very well go top 5 but that may not be where the Canucks have him. We only make one of those picks.

Bob Mckenzie, Craig Button, ISS, Mckeen's, Central Scouting, Future Considerations, Hockey Prospect and many more, all have Vilardi in the top 5... Id said that's close to a concensus.   

[Scruffy05]

8 hours ago, Horvat is a Boss said:

 

I like Liljegren a lot too, but it sounds like his play at the U18's is a legitimate cause for concern. Have you seen him play there at all?

Haven't seen him play but his stat line looks atrocious...

[ColeTr11]

6 hours ago, Mr.53 said:

I just want us to keep the second overall pick. If we do, I package up Ben Hutton and Markus Granlund + to get Matt Duchene. Hutton, Granlund, and Subban for Duchene and a small piece back. They get their young NHL defenseman in Hutton, a forward to help ease the loss of Duchene in Granlund, (32 points in 69 games during his first season is nothing to scoff at. Matt Duchene, albeit a down year, only put up 41 points in 77 games himself.), plus an offensive defensman prospect already getting pro experience. Colorado gets all 3 pieces they want and ask for, and we walk away with the best player in the deal. Seems fair to me. I love Hutton, but you have to give to get, and right now we have both Juolevi and Stecher who are going to be big time for us, as well as Tryamkin and Gudbranson to play defensive d. He's just the most expendable. But in Colorado, maybe next to a guy like Erik Johnson? Damn. Subban also is a player that can have NHL success, but with Stecher and Juolevi, his spot has just been taken. In Colorado, we would be a welcomed prospect. Meloche would remain their number 1 defensive prospect, while Bigras would be their top defensive dman prospect, and Subban would become their top offensive dman prospect. If we could lock up Matt Duchene plus one of the top 2 picks this year, our team will finally be able to score goals consistently again. That would be a major boost to the forward core, for now and the future.

 

If we get 2nd overall, we take whoever is not picked out of Nolan or Hischer. We then go to Colorado and make a trade.

 

To Van: Matt Duchene

To Col: Ben Hutton, Markus Granlund, and Jordan Subban

 

Our lineup going into next season:

 

Goldobin - Duchene - Patrick/Hischer (A speedy offensive line that can score. Goldobin and Duchene could be magic. Patrick could also change position/role with Boeser and Sutter. Hischer is more locked in but not a disappointment. This line takes majore scoring pressure off the Sedin Twins as well as the Horvat line.) (If Hischer than the line would be Hischer -Duchene - Goldobin. Still an offensive scorers line. Defense is still a possible liability, but I think it's work a shot.)

Baetschi - Horvat - Boeser (Our number 1 shutdown line. Horvat matches up against top matchups, and uses Baertschi and Boeser as tools to score. Horvat, above his years, has the ability to make others play better. We are already seeing it with Baertschi and Boeser. Also with Duchene on first line, massive pressure is taken off of Horvat.)

Sedin - Sutter - Sedin (A quality third line. Sutter acts as the shutdown two-way cetner, while Henrik moves to wing, and the Sedins use their offense deep in the lineup, taking massive pressure off. All 3 veterans also play major roles on special teams.)

Boucher - Gaunce - Dorsett (Quality 4th line that acts as a defensive specialist third line. The Sedins and Sutter are too be deployed as an offensive bottom 6 line, so this line is too be deployed as a defensive bottom 6 line. Boucher adds some offense, and Dorsett adds some grit.)

 

Incoming players from Utica and the and NCAA are Dahlen - Gaudette - Virtanen. Virtanen and Dahlen will likely be ready next season as the Sedins likely step down, and Gaudette soon follows. Dahlen and Virtanen are also likely to be called up mid season due to injuries and open spots.

 

On defense I want to see

Edler - Gudbranson (That could be a formidable first pairing. Edler needs to play with a defensively conscious player to get the most out of him, and Gudbranson needs a more experienced defender than Hutton to get the most out of him. Perfect match. They're both also big strong, athletic defensmen that would be able to match up against big or small opponents. Exactly what you want in a first pairing. They get top minutes and top pairings.)

Tryamkin - Tanev (Not much offense in this pairing, but lots of D. Tanev can also take Tryamkin under his wing and pass on his defensive puck moving skills to make him a truly dynamic defensive player. Also keep in mind, with new guys like Goldobin, Boeser, Nolan/Hischer, or even the Sedins, we need guys that can defend and help bring them along the way. This is a defensive specialist pairing after the first. Tanevs calm cool presence could complement Tryamkins well.)

(Sbisa?) - Stecher (This is more of an offensive pairing to be played after the first. When we need a jolt of offense, we send in Stecher. Stecher ialso becomes a PP specialist. In order to do this, he would need a veteran D man to help him defensively. Sbisa is likely to be taken in expansion draft, so another guy will be needed to help bring Stecher along and avoid a sophmore slump. He'll move up after injuries occur.)

 

Incoming players include: Juolevi, or even Brisebois and Neill. Next season there will likely be an open spot for a left handed defender given Sbisa or a 1 year signing for Stecher. Really, as long as Stecher makes a smooth transition, everything will fall into place. I'm even willing to trade a Subban to make this happen. I see Brisebois eventually replacing Edler at some point and Neill eventually replacing Tanev as well. But that's way far in the future.

 

If we could walk into next season with this team, with those prospects that we already have coming in, plus Demko showing flashes of beastliness, we could be in a very good spot for the future. That is a team that can make the playoffs, with a lot of young prospects ready to come in and replace vets in the next few years. 

 

Edit: I totally forgot about Loui Eriksson! Goes to show how invisible he has been for us this year. But if he was in the lineup, I would probably have it like this:

 

Eriksson - Duchene - Patrick/Hischer

Baertschi - Hrovat- Boeser

Sedin - Sedin - Goldobin

Boucher - Sutter - Dorsett

 

Still, you get what I mean. Duchene and a potential 2nd overall pick would be a huge boost to our offense.

 

Great but this sorta proposal belongs under the armchair gm section

[Warhippy]

Quick history lesson.  Picks considered safe in the top 10 going back to 1985

 

These were the consensus picks I might add

 

Bryan Allen

Jason Herter

Shawn Antoski

Dan Woodley

Josh Holden

Cody Hodgson

 

Barring Antoski and Holden who if people recall were a sure fire win for the Canucks when they picked him up.

 

I am ok not drafting Patrick, the "safe pick"

Edited April 18, 2017 by Warhippy

[Harvey Spector]

I have Glass ahead of Patrick.  Too much potential in Glass and too much risk in Patrick.  I don't want a 2011 scenario to happen where RNH goes #1 overall and Scheifele goes #7.

[48MPHSlapShot]

The guy that spent a massive chunk of the season injured is the "safe pick" now?

[Vinny in Vancouver]

11 hours ago, Harvey Spector said:

I hear rumblings Patrick might drop.  Don't know if it will happen but apparently his latest injury hasn't even been disclosed.  He's definitely a risky pick at this point.  Not sure you want to base your future on a guy who may be injury prone his entire career, especially when you have a guy like Glass available who is being compared to Scheifele...

Gotta love this "rumblings" and "apparently" and "might/may". There are always a lot of misinformation going out when it's draft time. Sometimes, it's because a team really wants a player and hopes that the player will drop to them, and the team starts throwing out fake bad rumours about that player or start throwing out amazing news about another player - the Vancouver Grizzlies did that with Olowakandi; he had a workout with them, and they told everyone who was willing to listen that he was off the charts, and sure enough, Olowakandi went number 1 and the Grizzlies happily took Mike Bibby with their second overall pick.

Take this Nolan Patrick's supposed attitude problem which came from I believe an unnamed opposing coach/scout. His coach vouches for him and his work ethic; his teammates vouch for him; everyone knows he just came back from injury (in fact, he was playing hurt as evidenced by him missing the playoffs); he comes from a solid family background; he is humble; he's willing to take punches for the team. The guy's character is impeccable. As for his injuries, let the team doctors do their job. Unless you think that the Canucks' missing the playoffs is because of injuries which is because of the team doctors... 

And if you want to go by comparison, then Makar and Liljegren are being compared to Karlsson so just use the pick to get one of them or even better, trade all of our prospects for another pick to get both and we should be getting a Stanley Cup within 3 years.

[Harvey Spector]

10 minutes ago, vinny_in_vancouver said:

Gotta love this "rumblings" and "apparently" and "might/may". There are always a lot of misinformation going out when it's draft time. Sometimes, it's because a team really wants a player and hopes that the player will drop to them, and the team starts throwing out fake bad rumours about that player or start throwing out amazing news about another player - the Vancouver Grizzlies did that with Olowakandi; he had a workout with them, and they told everyone who was willing to listen that he was off the charts, and sure enough, Olowakandi went number 1 and the Grizzlies happily took Mike Bibby with their second overall pick.

Take this Nolan Patrick's supposed attitude problem which came from I believe an unnamed opposing coach/scout. His coach vouches for him and his work ethic; his teammates vouch for him; everyone knows he just came back from injury (in fact, he was playing hurt as evidenced by him missing the playoffs); he comes from a solid family background; he is humble; he's willing to take punches for the team. The guy's character is impeccable. As for his injuries, let the team doctors do their job. Unless you think that the Canucks' missing the playoffs is because of injuries which is because of the team doctors... 

And if you want to go by comparison, then Makar and Liljegren are being compared to Karlsson so just use the pick to get one of them or even better, trade all of our prospects for another pick to get both and we should be getting a Stanley Cup within 3 years.

I never once mentioned his attitude or work ethic.  I'm sure he's as solid as they come as far as that is concerned given his family background.  My concern is strictly with his injury history which cannot be "hidden" or misinformed in any way.  It's all out there for anyone to see.  The fact that he was playing hurt as you say makes it even worse as it shows he wasn't even fully recovered from his latest injury and had to miss the playoffs because of it.

 

When a guy gets major injuries at 13 and keeps getting them at 18 it IS a concern.  He hasn't even hit the big show yet where he will be getting hit by 220 pound men, not boys.  He may very well have the best character in the draft and is a fighter and leader, but if he is on the shelf every year because of another injury and you take him #1 or #2 overall then you are going to have a problem as an organization.

Edited April 18, 2017 by Harvey Spector

[Sugar baby watermelon]

Mackenzie entwhistle is having a good tourney so far for Team Canada, he has good size at 6 foot 3 and plays C/RW.  Any thoughts or if on this guy?

 

Plus he has a really cool last name hey, 2ndgoal of the night MacKenzie Entwhistle!!  Sounds like a character out of LOTR haha

Edited April 18, 2017 by Sugar baby watermelon

[R35Godz1lla]

8 minutes ago, Harvey Spector said:

I never once mentioned his attitude or work ethic.  I'm sure he's as solid as they come as far as that is concerned given his family background.  My concern is strictly with his injury history which cannot be "hidden" or misinformed in any way.  It's all out there for anyone to see.  The fact that he was playing hurt as you say makes it even worse as it shows he wasn't even fully recovered from his latest injury and had to miss the playoffs because of it.

 

When a guy gets major injuries at 13 and keeps getting them at 18 it IS a concern.  He hasn't even hit the big show yet where he will be getting hit by 220 pound men, not boys.  He may very well have the best character in the draft and is a fighter and leader, but if he is on the shelf every year because of another injury and you take him #1 or #2 overall then you are going to have a problem as an organization.

His injuries have never been because of contact with other plays per se.

 

I read an article mentioning how we grew like 8 inches in one year and it was hard for his body to adjust. He did a McDavid and broke his collar bone after sliding into the end boards, he has had some muscle issues and in general injures that all sound like a person who's body has not caught up to its own size.

 

So that will be the task of whatever team has the opportunity to draft him, to determine if they think that by the time he is 20 if his body will have settled down. All he really needs is 1-2 seasons without anything serious happening and he should be able to strengthen the issue areas.

 

Patrick's success with depend as much on the team that drafts him and how they bring him along as it will on Nolan himself.

[Camel Toe Drag]

The top 5 of this draft just get more and more interesting. I don't think I could bet any amount of money on who I think the top 5 will be. 

 

"With the third overall pick, the Colorado Avalanche select Cale Makar"

 

who knows. 

[Harvey Spector]

15 minutes ago, R35Godz1lla said:

His injuries have never been because of contact with other plays per se.

 

I read an article mentioning how we grew like 8 inches in one year and it was hard for his body to adjust. He did a McDavid and broke his collar bone after sliding into the end boards, he has had some muscle issues and in general injures that all sound like a person who's body has not caught up to its own size.

 

So that will be the task of whatever team has the opportunity to draft him, to determine if they think that by the time he is 20 if his body will have settled down. All he really needs is 1-2 seasons without anything serious happening and he should be able to strengthen the issue areas.

 

Patrick's success with depend as much on the team that drafts him and how they bring him along as it will on Nolan himself.

Fair enough.  I heard he broke his collar bone twice not once, among other injuries.  I still remember when the Canucks drafted J.J. Daigneault 10th overall in 1984.  I still remember watching him on TV going up to the podium "on crutches"...  

 

It's safe to say Daigneault did not have much success with the Canucks, although he did manage to salvage somewhat of a career playing in Montreal...

Edited April 18, 2017 by Harvey Spector

[missioncanucksfan]

1 hour ago, Harvey Spector said:

I have Glass ahead of Patrick.  Too much potential in Glass and too much risk in Patrick.  I don't want a 2011 scenario to happen where RNH goes #1 overall and Scheifele goes #7.

Especially since Glass has worked his ass off to climb the rankings since the start of the year. Hope he lights it up against Finland today

[aGENT]

8 hours ago, Bure_Pavel said:

Bob Mckenzie, Craig Button, ISS, Mckeen's, Central Scouting, Future Considerations, Hockey Prospect and many more, all have Vilardi in the top 5... Id said that's close to a concensus.   

All I'm saying is that with no consensus from 3-10, I'd not be surprised if he fell to 6 or even 7 depending on which teams fall where after the lotto. I also wouldn't be surprised if that's approximately where the Canucks have him on their own list.

 

He's a very good player and a likely safe pick. But he's also lower risk/lower reward. IMO he tops out as a good 2C/W. That's great and all but we need some higher ceiling players. IMO, we're swinging for fences this draft.