Phil_314 Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 Oilers win. The 2nd overall pick in the 2017 draft for finishing last in the league. My goodness, what a bad deal today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 5 minutes ago, Jack Fig said: I just got home and am catching up on all the news. I can hardly believe what I'm seeing. I know that Hall is not a wonderful guy or teammate, but the Oilers have got to get a better return than what they did. Fleeced! I can't remember the exact quote, but Chiarelli said some pretty negative stuff about Hall. To paraphrase, he mentioned some players (Hall) have a real negative stigma attached to them, and the guy they traded for (Larson) doesn't. It sounded to me a lot like when Gillis defended trading Cody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Fig Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 2 minutes ago, Alflives said: I can't remember the exact quote, but Chiarelli said some pretty negative stuff about Hall. To paraphrase, he mentioned some players (Hall) have a real negative stigma attached to them, and the guy they traded for (Larson) doesn't. It sounded to me a lot like when Gillis defended trading Cody. This move might be very good for the Oilers, despite getting an underwelming return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueberries Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 The Devils and Preds. The Subban trade is close rn, but in the future Preds destroy the Habs. I have no idea why the Oilers made that trade for Larsson. Just brutal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 Oilers get defensive help and replace Shultz I like the move both ways, Montreal management should be prepared for the declining years of Weber in 2-3 years and having to watch Subban still in his prime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baka Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 We didn't really need a poll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathew Barzal Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 Market Value-wise: Devils and Predators. Team Value-wise: Devils, Predators and Oilers. Bergevin is an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roland Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 Devils completely win. I'm surprised at the return Oilers got. Larrson is great defensively, but for Hall? ehhhhhhhh Can someone explain to me why Nashville wins in a landslide fashion? Weber is solid defensively and I don't see his game changing much unless he suffers from an injury. P.K is P.K; but I see him being easily exploited in the West Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darius Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 3 minutes ago, roland said: Devils completely win. I'm surprised at the return Oilers got. Larrson is great defensively, but for Hall? ehhhhhhhh Can someone explain to me why Nashville wins in a landslide fashion? Weber is solid defensively and I don't see his game changing much unless he suffers from an injury. P.K is P.K; but I see him being easily exploited in the West I think the biggest factor is the age of the two - Weber turns 31 next month, while PK is hitting his peak... t. Weber is an awesome D man, but how much longer can he keep up the high end performance? 3 years maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baka Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 5 minutes ago, Mathew Barzal said: Market Value-wise: Devils and Predators. Team Value-wise: Devils, Predators and Oilers. Bergevin is an idiot. Oilers lost because Larsson was in now way the best defensive player they could have gotten for Hall. They ether overvalued Larsson or didn't shop Hall around properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaku Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 The Canadian teams got hosed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roland Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 Just now, Darius71 said: I think the biggest factor is the age of the two - Weber turns 31 next month, while PK probably hasnt hit is peak yet. Weber is an awesome D man, but how much longer can he keep up the high end performance? 3 years maybe? I think he'll last longer, but of course no way of knowing. Plenty of defensemen play excellent into their late 30's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 I'm rethinking the fairness of the Hall - Larson trade. At first glance it looks like the Oilers lost. Now that I've had several hours to review the trade and digest the information, it's pretty obvious the Oilers didn't lose...THE GOT A GOOD OLD FASHIONED REEMING. . Love to hate the Oilers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathew Barzal Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 6 minutes ago, Baka said: Oilers lost because Larsson was in now way the best defensive player they could have gotten for Hall. They ether overvalued Larsson or didn't shop Hall around properly. They know exactly what they're getting out of Larsson. A defensively sound YOUNG workhorse who will anchor their back end for years to come. He had the MOST defensive zone starts in the league last year and the Devils didn't have one of their centers go above 50% in the dot in the D zone... except Jim O'Brien who played all of 4 games for them. It's a stupid price to pay for him but Larsson is worth more to their team than Hall is. It'll show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silky mitts Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 1 hour ago, Apricot said: Vintage Canuck won. Posting all the trades and signings so quickly, guy is a winner. Still don't know if hes human Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 Maybe Hall was a real problem in the room, and if so, the morale will improve, so who knows. At first glance I think the Oilers really overpaid for Larsson. Doesn't Weber have a contract until he's 40? I think Subban will be great for NSH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baka Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 8 minutes ago, Mathew Barzal said: They know exactly what they're getting out of Larsson. A defensively sound YOUNG workhorse who will anchor their back end for years to come. He had the MOST defensive zone starts in the league last year and the Devils didn't have one of their centers go above 50% in the dot in the D zone... except Jim O'Brien who played all of 4 games for them. It's a stupid price to pay for him but Larsson is worth more to their team than Hall is. It'll show. I guess time will tell. You feel Larsson is an elite defenseman? I feel he is a good defenseman nothing more. Like many New Jersey defensemen he played in front of a strong goalie in a system that allowed few shots but also took few shots. 23rd in shots and 30th in shots taken. He know joins a team that gets off few shots and is under fire 5th most in the NHL. Hell Andy Greene was doing as much as Larsson. Larsson certain has value to the Oilers though but it doesn't change the fact even if they traded for a Porsche they still gave up a house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BI3KSA- Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 2 hours ago, combover said: Nash and nj win by miles the habs and oil got fleeced like benning fleeced. Is "Benning fleeced" like some new term for a solid hockey trade? I dont get it, cause I dont think that fits this situation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIBdaQUIB Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 2 hours ago, ThaManbeast said: I'm with everyone on the Hall/Larsson trade being one sided in New Jerseys way. But, people are vastly underestimating how good Shea Weber is. There's a reason it was an easy choice for the Team Canada execs to choose Weber over Subban. Yes, Subban is younger, and yes he puts up more points. But, as a defenseman, Shea Weber is one of the best in the last decade. He'll be a solid player late into that contract. He's also much older, on the decline signed for 10 years, Montreal is on the hook for his $8M signing bonus and he costs more. The difference in his play from Subban is hard to justify considering all the other factors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apricot Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 54 minutes ago, Silky mitts said: Still don't know if hes human No way he's human Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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