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I have been the Canucks fans for over 20 years from the Era of Bure/Mogilny/Linden to the Naslund/Bertuzzi/Morrison to the Sedins/Kesler. The Canucks always have a dominant line that excite us night in and night out. Since Jim took over as GM back in May 2014, I have seen some great things being done by the management discovering and brining in new blood to the team for a longer term development. And yet there are moves that I really don't understand and I think is destroying the team.

 

I THINK WE ARE TRADING FOR PLAYERS TO FIT A SYSTEM THAT DOESN'T WORK, A SYSTEM THAT LACK IDENTITY, AND A SYSTEM THAT HAVE YET PROVEN TO BE SUCCESSFUL IN THE NHL LEVEL.

 

Here are some things I notice:

1) we traded Kesler  for Bonino and Sbisa. Both are proven to be good players, Bonino helped the Penguins to the Stanley cup final on the HBK Line, Sbisa is still in the plus 7, when as a team we are -23 on goal for and goal against difference. We then traded Bonino out for Sutter, who is also a good two way players. But why make this move in the first place? Obviously Bonino last year proven that he can scores and play in key situations. So if its not the player's fault, then who is it?

2) We did a good signing with Vrbata back in 2014 who got 63 points with the Sedins, why take him off the line last year? He is still scoring 22 points right now with the Arizona. The letting go of Vrbata led to the big contract signing of Eriksson that uses a lot of the cap space. If Vrbata can still scores and contribute, then who fault is it for not using the player effectively and finding the right line?

3) The only move that I am not so happy about is we have a high pick at 4th this year and we didn't pick Matthew Tkachuk, a power forward we badly needed. Otherwise I think we did good trading for Gudbranson, and brining in Tryamkin, and Stecher. These are all the good young players that contributing night in and night out.

4) In the beginning of the year, we make 4 straight wins with a lot of comebacks win. All the players keep saying in the post game interview that they believe in the system and that it works. Honestly, what is the system now? Fast transition games with no defense? Look at the game with Carolina where we gave up 6 goals in the 3rd period is really unacceptable at the NHL level.

 

Before we let go Alain Vigneault, we have a very strong defensive game that allows the forward to score and win. You look at all the good experience successful coaches do to a bad team.

Look at what Bruce Boudreau do to Minnesota Wilds, the team is now 21-8 this year, they only added Eric Staal to the roster and bought out Thomas Vanek, and Eric Staal's is now leading Minnesota Wild scoring with 28 points. Look at what Alain Vigneault did to NY Rangers since he took over, the team is in the Playoffs every year, back then Rangers was just a team that like to sign star players with big bucks and never get into playoffs. Look at what John Tortorella did to the Blue jackets, the team is first in the Metropolitan division.
Barry Trotz is known to play a sound defensive system, the system created star goalies like Braden Holtby and Pekka Rinne. The list can goes on and on with what good coaches can do to the team
 
I understand that Willie D is very good at developing young players, I can see that with Ben hutton, Bo horvat etc. BUT THIS DOESN'T MEAN HIS SYSTEM CAN HELP HIS TEAM WIN IN NHL LEVEL. Jim Bennings and Linden obviously is trying very hard to find the "right players" at the right price to try and satisfy the coaching needs. The problem is that our team already have a lot of "right players", but the person running the team really don't have much clue on how to combining them effectively.
 
Willie D is at best an assistant coach to help develop young players, but you need a proven NHL coach to know what to do with line combinations, clearly define the team identity, and to know what to do in key situations to turn around the game momentum when needed. Honestly, I think 2 years are long enough time you give to a coach to try, If you were to make a coaching change its NOW. at least you have the second half of the season to work out the lines and players under the new coach so we can start making minor changes this off season and start winning next year.
 
The worst thing that can happen now is Jim and Linden kept making moves and trading away good players so they can try and fit in to a system that doesn't work, or has yet proven to work.
 
PS Not hard feeling Willie.
 
 
 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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RogersTowell Canucks Prospect

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2 minutes ago, luckylager said:

The combo of your username and brutal grammar (first 6 words) guarantees almost no one will read your post.

 

Sorry to be mean, but if you want people to read, write something that reads.

There's more than that, although I also find the grammar off putting, I realize that a lot of posters are not native English speakers.  This is the typical post after a loss.  I've been a fan since.... the Canucks joined the league.  We've had a lot of times without a dominant 'first line'.  Now that does't negate the OP's someone circuitous thesis, or at least what I think might be his thesis in the garbled grammar and my alcohol fueled lack of comprehension.  Willie may not have the best plan with the team we have.  But maybe he does.  Maybe we have a mediocre team that is a bubble playoff team if everything goes well in terms of injuries etc.  Maybe Willie is doing the best he can with a declining first line, and some younger players that aren't quite ready to fill those shoes.  Maybe it will lead to some good draft picks and we'll be better in a few years, and maybe that's not a bad thing.  Anyway, that's all I'm going to take time to say since I'm in Mazatlan and there's some quality drinking and carousing to be done.  May you all be as happy as I am right now.

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4 minutes ago, RogersTowell said:

There's more than that, although I also find the grammar off putting, I realize that a lot of posters are not native English speakers.  This is the typical post after a loss.  I've been a fan since.... the Canucks joined the league.  We've had a lot of times without a dominant 'first line'.  Now that does't negate the OP's someone circuitous thesis, or at least what I think might be his thesis in the garbled grammar and my alcohol fueled lack of comprehension.  Willie may not have the best plan with the team we have.  But maybe he does.  Maybe we have a mediocre team that is a bubble playoff team if everything goes well in terms of injuries etc.  Maybe Willie is doing the best he can with a declining first line, and some younger players that aren't quite ready to fill those shoes.  Maybe it will lead to some good draft picks and we'll be better in a few years, and maybe that's not a bad thing.  Anyway, that's all I'm going to take time to say since I'm in Mazatlan and there's some quality drinking and carousing to be done.  May you all be as happy as I am right now.

You read it? Thank for the summary.

 

I honestly don't think Willy has a plan. The team is freaking bi-polar and their effort level is so incredibly unpredictable, I honestly believe Willy is lost. He has no idea how to get the best out this calico whale.

 

But a lot of the blame is on the players too, I just think Willy has lost the team and their play is indicative of such.

 

Have a drink on the beach for me. It's pissing rain in Victoria, I'm jealous

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20 minutes ago, luckylager said:

The combo of your username and brutal grammar (first 6 words) guarantees almost no one will read your post.

 

Sorry to be mean, but if you want people to read, write something that reads.

Thats funny because I skipped the first paragraph and read point 1, the I saw Vrbata in point 2 and stopped reading.

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Hindsight is 20/20.

 

Benning inherited an emotionally dysfunctional train wreck chock full of no trade clauses.


The dressing room had a handful of primadonnas intent on making the wittiest twitter comment rather than leaving it all on the ice.

 

We had sleep specialists and probably, for all I know, crystal balls and goat blood experts too.  Mike Gillis' new age country club was a dismal failure.

 

Benning moved the problem pieces, has drafted and scouted some nice young players, and has tried to remain relevant to get some big name players to buy into the rebuild while the rest of the trainwreck is slowly cleared from the tracks.

 

Whether we as fans like it or not, we are still a good two years out from this being mostly Benning's team, and a good 3 to 5 years away from being competitive.

 

 

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41 minutes ago, RogersTowell said:

There's more than that, although I also find the grammar off putting, I realize that a lot of posters are not native English speakers.  This is the typical post after a loss.  I've been a fan since.... the Canucks joined the league.  We've had a lot of times without a dominant 'first line'.  Now that does't negate the OP's someone circuitous thesis, or at least what I think might be his thesis in the garbled grammar and my alcohol fueled lack of comprehension.  Willie may not have the best plan with the team we have.  But maybe he does.  Maybe we have a mediocre team that is a bubble playoff team if everything goes well in terms of injuries etc.  Maybe Willie is doing the best he can with a declining first line, and some younger players that aren't quite ready to fill those shoes.  Maybe it will lead to some good draft picks and we'll be better in a few years, and maybe that's not a bad thing.  Anyway, that's all I'm going to take time to say since I'm in Mazatlan and there's some quality drinking and carousing to be done.  May you all be as happy as I am right now.

Golden Zone bro,  Golden Zone^_^!

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I think that Jim Benning and company know they can't compete with the likes of Connor McDavid and company skill wise

 I think what they are doing is trying to assemble a team of highly responsible defensive forwards and roll 4 strong lines. Call them 2a and 2 b    3a and 3b. 

A team capable of shutting down a high powered offense.  You see pretty much every guy no matter who he is being preached defense first. Take Lou Erikson for eg.   Big  upgrade from vrbata is that he can also play d. 

Notice how strong our future is in goal. How he has changed the chemistry on defense in two years.  

He's building this team (or trying to)to keep the puck out of his own net because he knows he will not outscore the competition 

 

This will be the new Jersey Devils vs oilers 

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