[3-Way Trade] Penguins acquire Derick Brassard, Vincent Dunn, Tobias Lindberg, 3rd-round pick (OTT); Senators acquire Ian Cole, Filip Gustavsson, 1st-round pick (PIT), 2019 3rd-round pick (PIT); Golden Knights acquire Ryan Reaves, 4th-round pick (VAN)

[oldnews]

Vegas gets Reaves and a 4th for eating 2 million - pro-rated - of cap.....?

[oldnews]

28 minutes ago, rekker said:

So what does Vegas give up? They get Reaves and a fourth. For what?

cap space and an AHLer.

[oldnews]

2 minutes ago, rekker said:

WTF? Pitts just gave up a second for Reaves?.

they gave up a 1st (31st overall)  and Oskar Sundqvist

[rekker]

3 minutes ago, oldnews said:

Vegas gets Reaves and a 4th for eating 2 million - pro-rated - of cap.....?

??!!

[rekker]

1 minute ago, oldnews said:

they gave up a 1st (31st overall)  and Oskar Sundqvist

Even more puzzling. I can't help but think there will be more to this deal before the deadline?

[peaches5]

1 minute ago, rekker said:

Even more puzzling. I can't help but think there will be more to this deal before the deadline?

It's not puzzling at all. They don't have cap space, Vegas has cap space. In order to get Vegas to eat up cap space so they could fit Brassard on the roster they had to give up reaves and a 4th.

[oldnews]

So Pitt jumps through a lot of hoops to make this happen.

Pays Vegas Reaves +pick - who they paid a 1st (31 - Klim Klostin)  and Oskar Sundqvist for.

Pays a comparable return for Brassard to what they paid for Reaves.

 

Vegas wins.  As did St Louis, obviously.

Pitts gets to send cap to a team that never dressed Brassard.

Ottawa gets bent over.

 

Surprise.

[Tystick]

What a weird trade lol

[mll]

So Pittsburgh lost their toughness.  Reaves was playing 6:45 per game. 

[rekker]

4 minutes ago, peaches5 said:

It's not puzzling at all. They don't have cap space, Vegas has cap space. In order to get Vegas to eat up cap space so they could fit Brassard on the roster they had to give up reaves and a 4th.

Reaves must have fallen out of favour then. If so. St Louis made out like a bandit dumping Reaves on Pitts for a first and prospect. That and I think it helped St Louis with their expansion draft protection.

[RRypien37]

Stupid move getting rid of Reaves ESPECIALLY after what they gave up for him. 

[Topcheeze86]

3 petey!! great hustle

[RRypien37]

6 minutes ago, rekker said:

Reaves must have fallen out of favour then. If so. St Louis made out like a bandit dumping Reaves on Pitts for a first and prospect. That and I think it helped St Louis with their expansion draft protection.

I'm guessing Jim figured he didn't need BOTH Oleksiak and Reaves.

[Rush17]

41 minutes ago, Nuxfanabroad said:

Doesn't it have to be rest of his contract?

Or new rules for new teams?

ya whats going on with that lol.

[Canucks-12]

Pretty good trade for all 3 teams. Everyone got what they wanted. 

[oldnews]

Ottawa just took a 30ish pick, a mid 2nd teenaged draft+1 goaltender, and a 7D - for Brassard.

 

That is a 20-25ish% + abouit 10%ish chance of recovering NHL assets - for an NHL top 6 forward.

 

Very close to what Pittsburgh paid for a 7 minute Ryan Reaves.

 

Too much "pick mania" around here - and not enough realism imo.   That is a horrible return.

 

Ottawa looking more and more like a Banana Republic every day. 

 

[Sean Monahan]

2 minutes ago, oldnews said:

Ottawa looking more and more like a Banana Republic every day. 

Metrosexual?

[coryberg]

34 minutes ago, oldnews said:

they gave up a 1st (31st overall)  and Oskar Sundqvist

 

29 minutes ago, oldnews said:

So Pitt jumps through a lot of hoops to make this happen.

Pays Vegas Reaves +pick - who they paid a 1st (31 - Klim Klostin)  and Oskar Sundqvist for.

Pays a comparable return for Brassard to what they paid for Reaves.

 

Vegas wins.  As did St Louis, obviously.

Pitts gets to send cap to a team that never dressed Brassard.

Ottawa gets bent over.

 

Surprise.

The deal was sundqvist (who will likely never amount to anything) and #31 for reaves and #51.

 

Ended up being reaves for moving up 20 spots.

[Toews]

8 minutes ago, RRypien37 said:

Stupid move getting rid of Reaves ESPECIALLY after what they gave up for him. 

It was a stupid move paying what they did to get him in the first place. They clearly overreacted to what happened in the playoffs with Sid. The league is going away from this type of player. Its no surprise that all over the league players like these are stapled to the press box or waived to go down to the AHL. The NHL is an 'excuse me' league now. Hardly anyone goes out there with the mentality of crushing the opposition, they all think of themselves as scorers now. Maybe by accident someone actually delivers a hard shoulder-to-shoulder bodycheck, then that player gets mugged for the audacity of hitting a player cleanly. 

[oldnews]

14 minutes ago, coryberg said:

 

The deal was sundqvist (who will likely never amount to anything) and #31 for reaves and #51.

 

Ended up being reaves for moving up 20 spots.

yes, thanks - read a source from the time of the deal that didn't realize that was an inclusion at the time.

 

 

Still - that isn't really the issue here - it's the return Ott got.   Which imo is poor.

 

The thing is - the asset value now is a late 1st, 47th overall G, and a 3rd.

 

Brassard could get injured tomorrow.

Ottawa could draft against the odds and get a couple great players.

 

But the actual value - the mean value of those picks = a poor return on a top 6, 4th leading scorer on your team.

I know there's a rebuild/pick mania - but not all picks are equal, and that 1st is spots better than a high 2nd.

Factor in that they gave up Zibanejad and a 2nd for Brassard and the net is ever weaker.

 

St Louis and Vegas win.  Pittsburgh accomplishes a Cup run sacrifice.  Ottawa gets longshot assets.