Noble 6 Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 5 minutes ago, Kanukfanatic said: Eriksson (especially now that his actual salary is much lower than 6m) Baertschi (although personally I like him) Gagner (Chicago rumors a couple months ago) Granlund I am not saying they will move these players but they certainly could if they feel the youngsters have forced their way onto the roster. Edit: and some contending teams may want the depth if they can get a good deal. Eriksson: No team is taking him yet unless we give up something really nice along with him. We have him for at least one more year. Baertschi: Just signed a contract. Benning keeps his word and tries to work with players (Higgins). We won't be moving Baertschi immediately after signing him. Gagner: Green likes him, he fills his role and he's our only veteran option for an offensive 2C. We could, but it wouldn't be for the best unless we got a replacement, which doesn't fix anything. Granlund: I don't even have him in my lineup. He barely frees anything up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanukfanatic Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 Just now, Horvat is a Boss said: Eriksson: No team is taking him yet unless we give up something really nice along with him. We have him for at least one more year. Baertschi: Just signed a contract. Benning keeps his word and tries to work with players (Higgins). We won't be moving Baertschi immediately after signing him. Gagner: Green likes him, he fills his role and he's our only veteran option for an offensive 2C. We could, but it wouldn't be for the best unless we got a replacement, which doesn't fix anything. Granlund: I don't even have him in my lineup. He barely frees anything up. You asked for three names and I gave them. It is possible. You may disagree and that is fine. But it is possible regardless of whether you disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 Just now, Horvat is a Boss said: Where we'll be evaluating one of them from the press box. Nice. The role of the bottom-6 isn't set in stone. Every team in the Conference finals (East and West) got there with at least 1 offensive/two way center in their bottom 6 as opposed to a defensive specialist (Eller, Gourde, Little and Haula). We don't need two defensive specialists in out bottom-6. And I think Benning would disagree on moving Baertschi, at least for the next little while. That's up to them, not me or anyone else. Why are you comparing us to teams in the Finals? We're not a playoff team, full of top flight established NHL'ers. We're a rebuilding team with (hopefully) budding ones. No wonder your so confused... Is that right....? Quote "And make no mistake, if young players come in and prove that they deserve to be on this time, I will make room for them, I will move out other players whether through trades or sending them to the minors, but we will make room for them." - Jim Benning, July 26, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Horvat is a Boss said: I'm not saying that Goldobin or Leipsic are top-6 locks, but we need to see if they are. If one or both of them show that they can be legitimate top-6 players then great, if they don't then we can move on. We just need to opportunity to evaluate them fairly. Can you show me a lineup where both of those players are put in good offensive positions? GAME LINEUP Player A Player B Player C Goldobin* Player D Player E Leipsic* Player F Player G Player H Player I Player J Player K Player L Player M Player N Player O Player P Player Q Player R Goalie Goalie Coach Note to Self - Put *players in good offensive positions. Avoid bad offensive positions. Vertical with hands above head after scoring goal = good position. Horizontal on ice = bad position. 1 minute ago, Horvat is a Boss said: As for Gaudette, can you remind me what Horvat did in his first year in the NHL? And remember, Horvat was a top-10 pick, Gaudette was a 5th rounder. If Horvat can start on the 4th line and work his way up to the 1st, tell me why Gaudette can't do the same. Horvat played hockey for Vancouver in his first year in the NHL. Who said Gaudette couldn't do that start on 4th line thing. I have not heard anyone from the Canucks say that. Did you have a dream about it or where are you getting that? Then again, if Horvat was a top 10 pick and Gaudette was fifth rounder, perhaps a year in Utica would be a nice idea too but I digress. 1 minute ago, Horvat is a Boss said: That Pettersson comment was completely out of nowhere. In the post you quoted I literally say "Pettersson is the top priority to get offensive minutes." Can you explain how you took that to mean 4th line and/or penalty killing minutes? No, the comment came from my keyboard - that is somewhere. I took it from your constant (relentless....) implication that signing some veteran leadership that is destined to play down in the lineup is someone in the way of players like EP. If you are changing your tune, great! 2 minutes ago, Horvat is a Boss said: Can you show me a lineup where Pettersson, Goldobin and Leipsic are given a chance to show their offensive potential, while Gaudette has a spot to adjust to the NHL, all while Virtanen has the freedom to move up and down the lineup as his play dictates? Because if you can I'll be happy as all of our young NHL players will be in good spots. GAME LINEUP Petterson* Player B Player C*** Goldobin* Player D Player E*** Leipsic* Player F Player G*** Player H Player I Player J*** Gaudette** Player L Player M Player N Player O Player P Player Q Player R Goalie Goalie Coach Notes to Self: Put *players put in situations to show offensive potential. Avoid positions to show defensive potential. Put ** player in a spot to adjust to NHL - avoid position that has him adjusting to KHL, MISL, MLB, NFL or any other league Put *** as being Jake Virtanen and move him up and down the line up. Try not to do it all on the same shift or on too many back-to-back-to-back shifts to avoid confusing Jake Virtanen and having people question his hockey IQ. Avoid moving him so far down the lineup so that he ends up in goal.....Jake in goal = bad coaching decision and another meeting with Francesco....remember, you don't like those meetings 2 minutes ago, Horvat is a Boss said: Are you telling me the Canucks are no bigger than Benning and Green? Really? If those two guys got canned the Canucks would fold and cease to exist? Nope, they are the exact size of Benning and Green. Those two combined form the entire size of the Canucks. If they got canned, the entire enterprise would exist still but be a virtual reality versus the real thing. Benning's hair gel alone accounts for 23.7% of all Canuck volume. Oh, and in terms of who decides who plays, yes I believe Benning and Green are the two to make the final decisions. Just in case that is what you meant. 2 minutes ago, Horvat is a Boss said: Can you name me 3 players that could be moved to make room for any of Goldobin, Leipsic, Gaudette, Dahlen and/or Pettersson? Player B, Player C, Player J.....Player I less likely but you never know. Putting it another way, ANY player not named any of those above because I choose to believe the coach/GM when they said, as plain as any human can make a statement, that IF a young player earns a spot, the veteran player will be moved out of the way be it by trade, waive, cut or cement boots in Vancouver harbour (oops, that came from Aquilini, that shouldn't have slipped out). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noble 6 Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Hutton Wink said: I think this needs to make this into a sig, because I have a feeling the copy-and-paste is going to be frequent these next two months... Can you tell me who you would move if Gaudette makes the team? And then also who you would move if Goldobin, Leipsic, Pettersson and Dahlen all show they can play in the NHL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noble 6 Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 5 minutes ago, aGENT said: That's up to them, not me or anyone else. Why are you comparing us to teams in the Finals? We're not a playoff team, full of top flight established NHL'ers. We're a rebuilding team with (hopefully) budding ones. No wonder your so confused... Is that right....? Teams that are more successful than us are doing something that we aren't. We should try build to what the successful teams are have, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, Horvat is a Boss said: Teams that are more successful than us are doing something that we aren't. We should try build to what the successful teams are have, right? I think you're missing a few steps there Sparky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 6 minutes ago, Horvat is a Boss said: Can you tell me who you would move if Gaudette makes the team? The player(s) he plays better than. Hard to name them right now as it is the middle of the summer. Remember all the veteran "locks" on the team from two years ago.....where are they now? Oh yeah, they got removed for players that beat them out. Repeat answer for any other player you wish to keep asking about. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noble 6 Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said: GAME LINEUP Player A Player B Player C Goldobin* Player D Player E Leipsic* Player F Player G Player H Player I Player J Player K Player L Player M Player N Player O Player P Player Q Player R Goalie Goalie Coach Note to Self - Put *players in good offensive positions. Avoid bad offensive positions. Vertical with hands above head after scoring goal = good position. Horizontal on ice = bad position. Horvat played hockey for Vancouver in his first year in the NHL. Who said Gaudette couldn't do that start on 4th line thing. I have not heard anyone from the Canucks say that. Did you have a dream about it or where are you getting that? Then again, if Horvat was a top 10 pick and Gaudette was fifth rounder, perhaps a year in Utica would be a nice idea too but I digress. No, the comment came from my keyboard - that is somewhere. I took it from your constant (relentless....) implication that signing some veteran leadership that is destined to play down in the lineup is someone in the way of players like EP. If you are changing your tune, great! GAME LINEUP Petterson* Player B Player C*** Goldobin* Player D Player E*** Leipsic* Player F Player G*** Player H Player I Player J*** Gaudette** Player L Player M Player N Player O Player P Player Q Player R Goalie Goalie Coach Notes to Self: Put *players put in situations to show offensive potential. Avoid positions to show defensive potential. Put ** player in a spot to adjust to NHL - avoid position that has him adjusting to KHL, MISL, MLB, NFL or any other league Put *** as being Jake Virtanen and move him up and down the line up. Try not to do it all on the same shift or on too many back-to-back-to-back shifts to avoid confusing Jake Virtanen and having people question his hockey IQ. Avoid moving him so far down the lineup so that he ends up in goal.....Jake in goal = bad coaching decision and another meeting with Francesco....remember, you don't like those meetings Nope, they are the exact size of Benning and Green. Those two combined form the entire size of the Canucks. If they got canned, the entire enterprise would exist still but be a virtual reality versus the real thing. Benning's hair gel alone accounts for 23.7% of all Canuck volume. Oh, and in terms of who decides who plays, yes I believe Benning and Green are the two to make the final decisions. Just in case that is what you meant. Player B, Player C, Player J.....Player I less likely but you never know. Putting it another way, ANY player not named any of those above because I choose to believe the coach/GM when they said, as plain as any human can make a statement, that IF a young player earns a spot, the veteran player will be moved out of the way be it by trade, waive, cut or cement boots in Vancouver harbour (oops, that came from Aquilini, that shouldn't have slipped out). I've had Pettersson on the top line with Horvat and Boeser for months now. You really are pulling that out of nowhere, even if it shielded in sarcasm. Everything else is sarcastic, which is fine I guess, but you didn't answer any of my questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 6 minutes ago, Horvat is a Boss said: Teams that are more successful than us are doing something that we aren't. We should try build to what the successful teams are have, right? Just like when Vancouver was near/at top of the league for about a decade.... Hockey has cycles (like all pro sports). If you struggle with the down cycle, your life as a fan will be a tough one Sparky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Horvat is a Boss said: I've had Pettersson on the top line with Horvat and Boeser for months now. You really are pulling that out of nowhere, even if it shielded in sarcasm. Everything else is sarcastic, which is fine I guess, but you didn't answer any of my questions. I answered the questions with the exact level of input the questions deserved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noble 6 Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 Just now, Rob_Zepp said: Just like when Vancouver was near/at top of the league for about a decade.... Hockey has cycles (like all pro sports). If you struggle with the down cycle, your life as a fan will be a tough one Sparky. Where did that come from? I just said we should try and build a good team like the ones we saw this year and now I'm being questioned as a fan? 1 minute ago, Rob_Zepp said: I answered the questions with the exact level of input the questions deserved. Code for you couldn't. That's fine, it's summer. We don't have all the answers yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchincanucks Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 So remind me again who did Alex Burmistrov out play in preseason that earned him a spot over Brock Boeser? Cause I remember him being in a bunch of games to start the season, because he was a newly signed vet, he was gifted a spot, and he was only on a 1 year $900,000 contract. But no that will never happen again, if they earn it they’ll be in the lineup. I’ll believe it when I see it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 49 minutes ago, Grape said: I would think the opposite. Too lazy to dig up the reports but they did indicate that Trevor was against the recent FA signings and was more on the side of ‘let’s not rush things.’ And it created a rift with the ownership as they believe that with young talent like Hughes and Pettersson and the recent FAs and the vets we have like Edler, that we can push for the playoffs and win this season. And apparently Linden was most vocal about NOT having Hughes in Vancouver. Again, the difference is that the owners and management want to push forward and accelerate the rebuild, especially by bringing in the young players, whereas Linden appears to be the one holding the e-brake, keeping the likes of Edler around and even extending him. If he didn't agree with the signings, then who was going to play in those roles? He said the team would be very young, but if he thought he could just throw unproven kids into all four lines then maybe it's a good thing he's not making or overseeing hockey decisions anymore. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonoman Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 2 hours ago, Horvat is a Boss said: Just wanted to post this quick. Compare what you see above to what you see below: That's insane. Not too many better 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Viper007 Posted July 28, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 28, 2018 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Watchincanucks said: So remind me again who did Alex Burmistrov out play in preseason that earned him a spot over Brock Boeser? Cause I remember him being in a bunch of games to start the season, because he was a newly signed vet, he was gifted a spot, and he was only on a 1 year $900,000 contract. But no that will never happen again, if they earn it they’ll be in the lineup. I’ll believe it when I see it. And look who ended up with the canucks at the end. Just because Brock didn't play the first 2 games doesn't mean that Burmistrov was gifted a spot ahead of him. Boeser looked tired at the end of preseason, considering he played alot more of the preseason games then the vets. Boeser would've played in game 2, but the canucks won game 1 and TG didn't want to change the lineup that won the first game. This is a Quinn Hughes post. Stop talking about forwards. I would understand this argument if you're talking about defenseman and the log jam we have there, but nope it's all about OMG WE HAVE TOO MANY FORWARDS!! THE YOUNG GUYS ARE GONNA GET WAIVED AND BAD ASSET MANAGEMENT!!!!!! ARGH!!!!!. Start putting your opinions in the battles at camp thread on the canucks talk page. Stick to Quinn Hughes talk. This also goes for you @Horvat is a Boss. Anyways back to the thread at hand ...... QH sure can dangle!! Can't wait to see him sign that contract and play in Penticton (On Livestream of course, since I don't actually live in Penticton). Edited July 28, 2018 by Viper007 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilduce39 Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 33 minutes ago, Watchincanucks said: So remind me again who did Alex Burmistrov out play in preseason that earned him a spot over Brock Boeser? Cause I remember him being in a bunch of games to start the season, because he was a newly signed vet, he was gifted a spot, and he was only on a 1 year $900,000 contract. But no that will never happen again, if they earn it they’ll be in the lineup. I’ll believe it when I see it. That argument kinda works against you, though, as Brock had a fabulous season and those 2 games didn’t mean a thing. I’m loving the battles heading into camp... others will run around like chicken little with his tail feathers on fire. Guaranteed a kid or two people think should be on the team gets sent to Utica after pre season. I also guarantee those players, if they keep up the success in Utica, will get a proper NHL look before the season is done. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gaudette Celly Posted July 28, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 28, 2018 47 minutes ago, Watchincanucks said: So remind me again who did Alex Burmistrov out play in preseason that earned him a spot over Brock Boeser? Boeser made the team. 1 3 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilduce39 Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 37 minutes ago, Hutton Wink said: And apparently Linden was most vocal about NOT having Hughes in Vancouver. Again, the difference is that the owners and management want to push forward and accelerate the rebuild, especially by bringing in the young players, whereas Linden appears to be the one holding the e-brake, keeping the likes of Edler around and even extending him. If he didn't agree with the signings, then who was going to play in those roles? He said the team would be very young, but if he thought he could just throw unproven kids into all four lines then maybe it's a good thing he's not making or overseeing hockey decisions anymore. I believe that. Canucks tripped up with Jake in 2014 and someone if not all of management have been deliberate in not pushing the kids into the limelight. As an overall approach these past years, I agree with the strategy. For Hughes, though, he has the AHL “out” that Jake didn’t.. as well as a high skill game that is elite at any level rather than relying a lot on his physical tools like Jake. Again, I’m fine with whatever Quinn decides but I think the pro route could work if he goes this way. We still have Olli to watch! Maybe Linden’s input is why Q is taking his time to really think about it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckledraggin Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 My take on the Hughes signing is that they probably have a deal in place, but they are trying to make a trade prior to signing him. There's not enough room for him with the current contracts on the team so they need to get a trade done before he signs. If they sign him 1st, it takes value away from the trade they are trying to make, because teams will look at the logjam on defense and give a lowball offer based on the need to offload a D-man. I think the Del Zotto to Chicago rumors make the most sense in terms of getting a deal done. I'd like to see Del Zotto and Gagner deal to Chicago for picks and a prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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