[PGT] Minnesota Wild at Vancouver Canucks | Dec. 04, 2018

[Alflives]

2 minutes ago, Setyoureyesontheprize said:

Exactly no urgency in our game, not playing like a team that’s lost 12 of 13.

 

whered the team culture go? 

 

“There’s inherent risk in playing hockey, there’s inherent risk in getting into a fight,” Blashill said. “He was sticking up for (teammate Dylan) Larkin in that case, who got his head run against the boards. I know this, he’d do it again. And I’m good with him doing it again. I want him to do it again. 

“We want to make sure we’re sticking up for each other. You’re not going anywhere at any time if you’ve got a team that’s selfish and doesn’t care about each other — no chance. The best chance for us to have great success here is for us to make sure that we’re looking after each other at all times and sometimes these types of things are going to happen. That’s the reality of life. 

“It’s just like saying should you block shots. Of course you should block shots, that’s the sacrifice it takes to win. Every once in a while you’re going to get a broken bone because of it. Should you take a hit to make a play? Of course you should take a hit to make a play. Otherwise you’re never winning. Should you stick up for your teammates? Of course you should stick up for your teammates. Otherwise you’re never winning. That’s just the reality of it.”

Look how good Calgary has done since Hamonick stood up to Guddy.  We need all our players to watch one another's backs.  It's a hockey culture thing.  I see the Laughs doing worse once Nylander is out there.  He's not a teammate.  

[mll]

2 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said:

They miss those clutch goals from the Sedins, and a starting goalie. Even when Demko joins the team, he won't be the starter for a while (1-2 years?). Is Benning going to rely on Markstrom or Nilsson to be the starter for the next two years? I'm curious what the goaltending plan is.  

Woodley says the Canucks have discussed Bobrovsky internally - there's that connection to Ian Clark.  He obviously doesn't know if Bobrovsky is interested but he says that Clark and Bob are very tight.

[The Big Luongo]

40 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said:

If they all played with Motte's heart and fearlessness, they would be a really tough team to play against. I agree with The Big Luongo regarding Granlund. He's not very good. I'd rather give Gaunce another shot.   

I completely agree about Motte and fortunately for us die hard fans you could say the same about Rousell, Horvat, Beagle and a lot of other players that really on most nights deserve much better!

 

Not having Guance on this team on the penalty kill and over using or using Granlund and Schaller period on the PK is to me just some more small but big mistakes that's hurting this team when they least need it.

 

If I'm Green a long time ago I would have had Guance as a 4th line PK specialist and called up Sautner to play left side defense a weakness that has really hurt this team all season either Pouliot or MDZ hurting the team pretty much every night this season.

 

Schaller wouldn't be in the lineup most nights and definitely wouldn't have Granlund on the PK either.

 

 

[Nucker 67]

Just now, mll said:

Woodley says the Canucks have discussed Bobrovsky internally - there's that connection to Ian Clark.  He obviously doesn't know if Bobrovsky is interested but he says that Clark and Bob are very tight.

I'd love to get Goalie Bob here. Nikolay would have his countryman here, and then next up would be enticing Tryamkin to come back.

[NewbieCanuckFan]

49 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said:

If they all played with Motte's heart and fearlessness, they would be a really tough team to play against. I agree with The Big Luongo regarding Granlund. He's not very good. I'd rather give Gaunce another shot.   

At least Granlund has shown us in the past what he can do as a Canuck (I'm talking in positive way)...wtf has Schaller shown?  That he's a cheaper version of Eriksson?  

 

Am I being harsh?  Nope, he's a vet unlike Granlund.  He shouldn't be given any slack ( not to mention he's worse than Granlund)

[NewbieCanuckFan]

55 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said:

 

Oops double post

[mll]

3 minutes ago, NewbieCanuckFan said:

At least Granlund has shown us in the past what he can do as a Canuck (I'm talking in positive way)...wtf has Schaller shown?  That he's a cheaper version of Eriksson?  

 

Am I being harsh?  Nope, he's a vet unlike Granlund.  He shouldn't be given any slack ( not to mention he's worse than Granlund)

Granlund has more experience than Schaller.  Schaller has played less than 2500 NHL minutes while Granlund is close to 4000 - only behind Horvat (5600) and even ahead of Baertschi.

[NewbieCanuckFan]

8 minutes ago, mll said:

Granlund has more experience than Schaller.  Schaller has played less than 2500 NHL minutes while Granlund is close to 4000 - only behind Horvat (5600) and even ahead of Baertschi.

Fair enough...still doesn't explain the only good thing Schaller has shown as a Canuck is the ability to cash Aquamans cheques.

[iceman64]

38 minutes ago, NewbieCanuckFan said:

At least Granlund has shown us in the past what he can do as a Canuck (I'm talking in positive way)...wtf has Schaller shown?  That he's a cheaper version of Eriksson?  

 

Am I being harsh?  Nope, he's a vet unlike Granlund.  He shouldn't be given any slack ( not to mention he's worse than Granlund)

Anyone with a pulse can get 20-25 goals a year on a Sedin line, what did he prove since? 

Secondly, want to fight schaller? Why do you think he's here, yes that was the reason. 

[Nuxfanabroad]

1 hour ago, gizmo2337 said:

Here's my take on where we are at.

Goaltending: We have two ok to less than average backups. Would you not want Luongo back in a heartbeat, even at his age? Both play ok, and have streaks of brilliance, and then cough up and easy pizza once or twice a game. It's been *rare* to see a clean entire 60 minutes from either of them.

 

Defence: Do we even have one? The quality of chances on our goalies is too high. Too many poor pinch choices. Not enough keeping the shots to the outside. Our PK stinks. Heck, even Burrows could probably help on the PK right now. If that's where we are at, we really are that bad.

 

Forwards: Decent core, with more to come. Bo and Jake seem to be on the money lately. Boeser and Pettersson are a bit rusty. I noticed it at the skills competition with target shooting. They just have lost a bit of confidence and their shot and timing is a bit off. I'm not worried, this is a quality group of forwards, and the least of our worries.

 

Coaching: Green has been good. I hope we don't fire a guy just because of win/loss record. He is getting the best out of the team and making changes on the fly. Our power play has been terrible, but we don't have a QB either until Edler came back. Our PK is atrocious, but we don't have Hansen or Burrows anymore. I think we have players that can play that way, they just need to improve on the small things. If anything, maybe we need a change in the defensive side of coaching.

 

Management: Benning has been fine. Drafting has been a bright spot. He didn't nail them all, but we use to miss on pretty much every draft. He's made some trades to shake things up. The only thing I'm not a fan of is the FA signings.

 

Where does that leave us? We are probably 4 defense and a goalie away from making the playoffs. On the optimistic side (if all works out), we have Hughes, Juolevi, Tryamkin, Demko, DiPietro in the pipe. We are short a couple more defense and some depth. Of course, there's always the chance that some players don't work out. Hughes is probably the only "can't miss" player in that list. We aren't that far away from contending, despite our record right now. We are close to turning the corner.

Solid assessment.

[coolboarder]

1 hour ago, Alflives said:

Love to get Jack Hughes to go with his brother.  I know this is sinful, but then I would trade Bo for a top notch (younger) D man.  Much like what Columbus did to get Seth Jones.  I love Bo, but having EP 40 and JH would make Bo expendable, no?  

That what I've been saying, trade Bo Horvat for a top quality defenceman and I got flamed for this in other thread on armchair GM.   Our biggest weakness is D and the first pass as well.    The first pass is just too slow to make their decision to spring free EP to do his things.  They are just too slow in that gap control has closed down immediately. That can be done in the summer but for now, if we ever win the lottery then we can talk trades.  If we don't win the lottery then we find another way to grab some quality defenceman in the UFA.   Karlsson, perhaps?   He is not doing well in San Jose so it's just too risky to consider that when we need cap space to resign Boeser, Petterson and Hughes when time comes.   

[Alflives]

Just now, coolboarder said:

That what I've been saying, trade Bo Horvat for a top quality defenceman and I got flamed for this in other thread on armchair GM.   Our biggest weakness is D and the first pass as well.    The first pass is just too slow to make their decision to spring free EP to do his things.  They are just too slow in that gap control has closed down immediately. That can be done in the summer but for now, if we ever win the lottery then we can talk trades.  If we don't win the lottery then we find another way to grab some quality defenceman in the UFA.   Karlsson, perhaps?   He is not doing well in San Jose so it's just too risky to consider that when we need cap space to resign Boeser, Petterson and Hughes when time comes.   

I wouldn't move Bo unless we get Jack Hughes.  If we do get Jack Hughes, then I feel Bo could return a top notch you D man, much like Seth Jones.  

[EmilyM]

Just now, coolboarder said:

That what I've been saying, trade Bo Horvat for a top quality defenceman and I got flamed for this in other thread on armchair GM.   Our biggest weakness is D and the first pass as well.    The first pass is just too slow to make their decision to spring free EP to do his things.  They are just too slow in that gap control has closed down immediately. That can be done in the summer but for now, if we ever win the lottery then we can talk trades.  If we don't win the lottery then we find another way to grab some quality defenceman in the UFA.   Karlsson, perhaps?   He is not doing well in San Jose so it's just too risky to consider that when we need cap space to resign Boeser, Petterson and Hughes when time comes.   

With the current pricetag on defensemen, I don't think we are going to get anything close to Horvat's "true" value in a deal for a D. I don't know if this management group can afford to take a bath on a player of Bo's stature, a guy the city has already anointed the future captain.

[Nuxfanabroad]

1 hour ago, NUCKER67 said:

If they all played with Motte's heart and fearlessness, they would be a really tough team to play against. I agree with The Big Luongo regarding Granlund. He's not very good. I'd rather give Gaunce another shot.   

I agree on Granlund. Every time I cast shade(or suggested to trade) this guy, some told-ya-so(!) poster would send snarky replies(replete with emoji confused-face).

 

If you don't like some player, you also might wind up with pages of analyticz-data, in defense. Guess we pay in diff ways for all this bluddy tech! :^)

 

Shoulda cashed on this guy after he mysteriously potted 19. Oh well..more than Shinky will ever pull off, of course. But it seems we get too overly hyped about these trade "wins", while another 60-80% of the squad is spiraling the drain.

[Nuxfanabroad]

1 hour ago, 'NucK™ said:

Compared to Shaller, Granlund looks like an all-star.. 

That bum's an agent-saboteur, likely funded by the Broons & Hillary foundation!!!

[lmm]

1 hour ago, NUCKER67 said:

lol, yes, I watched Schaller last night too, and he wasn't able to do anything. Just an extra body out there. Seems every time we play Minny, the other Granlund gets a few points. What's wrong with our Granlund? lol

 

Canucks play the Preds tomorrow night, and I'm not feeling overly confident about that one. Will be interesting to see what Benning does to improve the situation. If he does anything at all. The team started the regular season on fire, everyone was giving 100%, full effort every shift, seemed there was chemistry with the new guys, they were scoring and producing wins, and now, they look like they've regressed back to the preseason when they went 1-6.

I think the problem is the line blender. Has Green played one whole game with set lines all season? Certainly not since we started losing. That 6 game raod trip he iced the exact same  line up  the whole trip, except for Biega and Bachman for one game each.  so he is not shuffling out of need because of injury. 

[lmm]

2 minutes ago, Nuxfanabroad said:

That bum's an agent-saboteur, likely funded by the Broons & Hillary foundation!!!

its a retirement contract. the dude doesn't want to play any more, but wants the money. What better place to do that than the other side of the continent in a foreign country?

[DogOnABoneHorvat]

12 hours ago, iceman64 said:

We need another quin hughes except 6'4 210 and we obviously need D worse than forwards

Check out some highlights of Philip Broberg.  I've got him at #6 on my very amateur and uninformed drafting list.

[NewbieCanuckFan]

23 minutes ago, iceman64 said:

Secondly, want to fight schaller? Why do you think he's here, yes that was the reason. 

He's had one more fight than Horvat since 2016.

[bishopshodan]

I am never on team tank however I respect the rebuild and have no problem with losing. We have 8 one goal loses in the last 12. We are competing.

 

Last night a few things that I liked:

 

-Hated that EP was slated to play on a line with Shaller and Motte. I whined to my wife saying 'why not put Leivo on that line as he is supposed to have a good shot? I could see EP setting him up, to see that rumoured good shot'. Well, my thoughts came true and he scored on his first attempt ( who else did that? I'm thinking Noonan or Zezel?)

-After Beagle was being mugged in the front of the net I was now griping at my lovely wife again, saying 'isn't Shaller gonna do something? maybe he's tired? I though he was a bit of a fighter?

Then, didn't Green double shift them? ( I might be wrong here) the 4th line getting an O-zone face off right after a tough shift....I was like, 'oh man, now a tired 4th line...thanks Green...' but, this is why I sit behind a keyboard and Green in an NHL coach....Shaller made a great play that ended up with a Motte goal.

 

CDC is a discussion board and all opinions should be allowed and respected. 

I am not one for excuses but this team is better than it's record in my opinion and it has a very bright future. We have had a terrible schedule, too many injuries to key players. We are in a re-build so a high draft pick couldn't hurt. We are in most games,  we have had some bad bad reffing and good old Canuck luck has bit us too. 

 

Before the season started , we decided not to select a Captain. I know this is not unique to us but It does hint at what we all knew. This year we play the kids, we develop, we have patience and if we do it right we build a contender in the next few years. But this is not our year. 

 

I'm planning the parade for 2021.

See, we need to get that cup before the Seattle 'Whatevers' get established in the league....I hate them already.