RonMexico Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 1 minute ago, Squamfan said: HMMMMMMMMMM Tampering? It's not tampering when you don't have an active contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 does anybody have a solid read on why fox didn't really even get a sniff at the hobey baker? you'd think that his numbers and high profile would have him gain more than 1.8% of the fan voting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 2 hours ago, tas said: does anybody have a solid read on why fox didn't really even get a sniff at the hobey baker? you'd think that his numbers and high profile would have him gain more than 1.8% of the fan voting. Fan voting only accounts for 1% of the final overall selection process. The 3 finalists will be announced tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 27 minutes ago, mll said: Fan voting only accounts for 1% of the final overall selection process. The 3 finalists will be announced tomorrow. ok. does anybody have a solid read on why fox didn't really even get a sniff at the hobey baker fan voting? you'd think that his numbers and high profile would have him gain more than 1.8%. how's that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucksfollower1983 Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 On 4/2/2019 at 12:25 PM, stawns said: speculation, the sky is blue and water is wet all kidding aside, he obviously has a destination in mind. I expect JB will kick the tires, but little to no chance anything comes of it but what would happen if in addition to kicking the tires he also lit the fires? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 From LeBrun in the Athletic (paywall) - a sign and trade to burn the 1st year of his deal this season is not allowed: For starters, the ‘Canes found out this week from the league that the NHL would void any sign-and-trade scenario that occurs before the offseason. The idea being that if Carolina signed Fox and then immediately flipped him to the Rangers, Fox could burn the first year of his entry-level deal before the end of this season. Turns out that can’t happen. The only team Fox can burn the first year of his entry-level deal for 2018-19 is Carolina. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vannuck59 Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 Heres why top end college prospects are better off finishing school get a degree and get to choose where they want to play, sign for more money and oh yah and choose their destination. Oh Yah I said that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SingleThorn Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 4 hours ago, mll said: From LeBrun in the Athletic (paywall) - a sign and trade to burn the 1st year of his deal this season is not allowed: For starters, the ‘Canes found out this week from the league that the NHL would void any sign-and-trade scenario that occurs before the offseason. The idea being that if Carolina signed Fox and then immediately flipped him to the Rangers, Fox could burn the first year of his entry-level deal before the end of this season. Turns out that can’t happen. The only team Fox can burn the first year of his entry-level deal for 2018-19 is Carolina. So......play one game for the Canes then hello NYR ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BabychStache Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 The next CBA really needs to even the playing field from NCAA vs Euro League vs Junior guys. Junior guys should have an AHL option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenhodgejr Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 The right thing to do would be for NYR to send Carolina something for Fox. Fox was a third round pick so thats probably a good start plus an AHL piece with promise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 On 4/5/2019 at 3:07 AM, mll said: 3 D men. And lights frickin out numbers for Makar in particular, plus Fox a year older... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 On 4/3/2019 at 6:25 AM, RonMexico said: It's not tampering when you don't have an active contract. Carolina owns his draft rights. Of course another team getting directly involved is tampering? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonMexico Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 12 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said: Carolina owns his draft rights. Of course another team getting directly involved is tampering? I don't know for sure and am just guessing. But owning rights and having an actual contract, to me, are different things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 1 hour ago, RonMexico said: I don't know for sure and am just guessing. But owning rights and having an actual contract, to me, are different things. Tricky situation if it's not tampering since NCAA players can hit UFA right after college. What's stopping a team from saying they're interested in any drafted NCAA player which may pique their interest in having the choice of which team to join? Personally I would have to put this into the tampering category otherwise it can open up a can of worms. Remember when Butcher and Kerfoot weren't going to sign for their respective teams and then were traded for each other? Perhaps a similar deal can be made for Fox and someone in the NYR system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonMexico Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, theo5789 said: Tricky situation if it's not tampering since NCAA players can hit UFA right after college. What's stopping a team from saying they're interested in any drafted NCAA player which may pique their interest in having the choice of which team to join? Personally I would have to put this into the tampering category otherwise it can open up a can of worms. Remember when Butcher and Kerfoot weren't going to sign for their respective teams and then were traded for each other? Perhaps a similar deal can be made for Fox and someone in the NYR system. Oh I think it's probably tampering to some degree but the original comment was made by Larry Brooks who is just a media member. He can speculate anything he wants. I think that is always the risk of drafting a NCAA player but then the player runs the risk of waiting too long and losing their chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 1 minute ago, RonMexico said: Oh I think it's probably tampering to some degree but the original comment was made by Larry Brooks who is just a media member. He can speculate anything he wants. I think that is always the risk of drafting a NCAA player but then the player runs the risk of waiting too long and losing their chance. Well if the loophole from tampering is to use the media, then maybe it's time to utilize the media to our advantage. Only problem is that our media will cry to the NHL saying we are tampering rather than help us. The issue with the way Brooksie worded his "speculation" is that he made it seem that NYR was interested for sure rather making it known it's his speculation. I expect the league to look into it to either get Brooksie to do proper reporting or actually charge for tampering if the team expressed it to him to "pass on the message". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinatcc Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 On 3/26/2019 at 11:52 PM, Quantum said: I believe they absolutely did. There were rumors back when he was traded that the Flames knew they weren't going to be able to sign him and so that's why they parted with him in the deal that got them Hanifin/Lindholm. Hurricanes stood a "better" chance but it's clear he's got his eyes on some team. I suspect he'll land in either Boston or on the Rangers. This is normally my argument with people praising how bold the Rangers organization initating a rebuild. Yes it was the right move for the Rangers. But when top college prospects and free agents normally target your team the process of rebuilding becomes faster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SingleThorn Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 7 hours ago, iinatcc said: This is normally my argument with people praising how bold the Rangers organization initating a rebuild. Yes it was the right move for the Rangers. But when top college prospects and free agents normally target your team the process of rebuilding becomes faster People who argue that teams like Edmonton and Winnipeg (...and a handful others ) are on a level playing field when UFAs are involved are wrong, wrong, wrong ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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