Silver Ghost Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 And i still think to win in the playoffs, especially in the west, you have to build your team at least to some degree to play that physical, speedy, aggressive style. You still need top end skill too of course. But thats why I am optimistic about the Canucks. Guys like Miller, Roussel, etc. are exactly the kind of complimentary guys you need for the playoffs. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 13 minutes ago, Hutton Wink said: It's interesting -- the "St. Louis Model" is only a month old, but we're in high gear on the way to replicating it already. St-Louis isn’t a model. It’s been like that for decades. Heavy, fast, talented, heart, determination, one goal; the Stanley Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 8 minutes ago, Silver Ghost said: That was always what i thought too. Benning going hard after Lucic was a pretty strong tell. But even some of the other guys he has brought in. He definitely drafted for that style this year too. I still think there is a Lucic to Vancouver thing hanging around. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 6 minutes ago, Silver Ghost said: That was always what i thought too. Benning going hard after Lucic was a pretty strong tell. But even some of the other guys he has brought in. He definitely drafted for that style this year too. Big time. Podkolzin looks like an absolute beast, Keppen's no slouch, and Hoglander is shorter but stocky and while supremely skilled can also hit hard. Kid squats over 300lbs, to boot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Ghost Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Me_ said: I still think there is a Lucic to Vancouver thing hanging around. I could actually see it happening tbh. The Lucic for Eriksson smoke is pretty thick. I do think though that as much as Eriksson has been garbage in Van, he is still the overall more useful and better player. Add in the extra year and NMC for Lucic (Benning needs to nullify it if he takes Lucic. which he can do as part of the CBA) and I think expanding the deal to include sonething else from Edm is the only way Benning should consider it. The caveat about those physical players is that to be effective they need at least reasonable speed to play that aggressive forecheck style that served St Louis so well. Lucic is slower than a turtle. Thats why he didnt fit with McDavid. Connor could call and order Dominos and have it delivered and eaten before Lucic would cross the blue line to catch up. Edited June 24, 2019 by Silver Ghost 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoasting Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 6 minutes ago, Me_ said: I still think there is a Lucic to Vancouver thing hanging around. I think you are correct, just a matter of figuring out the finer points... where there is smoke, theres fire! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheRussianRocket1994 Posted June 24, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 24, 2019 12 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said: What utter crap. Unless you want the team to purposefully lose and eventually win the lottery and hope there is a brilliant talent or two in the mix that year, there is far from ANY improved chances of "being great" by flipping a later round pick for a former first round pick that has (and likely will continue to) perform above his draft slot in a position of need for the team. This false narrative that has the future somehow assured IF the team somehow keeps losing and drafting versus picking a time to progress is utter and complete nonsense. As this past year in the NHL demonstrated perfectly, now that the CAP era has really taken root the NHL is closer in equality than ever and the margin between success and "not quite" is thinner than ever. The young Canucks showed last year maturity beyond their years to the point they were a few key injuries away from the playoffs. By adding a year of experience to each and getting full service year from Hughes and introducing OJ when ready, they will be a better team. Adding a few key vets and shipping out others to make room will also improve them. Demko is on the verge of emerging more fully. Marky seemingly has arrived. Being pessimistic and/or assuming some mystical future based upon mythical draft picks is your call but it flies totally in the face of logic given what this team has shown and the moves they are making. Vancouver is well-position to make a Carolina like advance in the next two years (this year even) and given their core, could sustain it much better as well. Nice to see some logic / common sense!!! Love it!! I’ve been following this forum for years & years and just posted for the first time the other day. I mentioned that I was frustrated with the sports media’s / some fans constant negativity / ignorance and I got attacked for it. Its about balance and I appreciate your balanced take / knowledgeable take on the team. Cheers! 1 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuck1991 Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 washington and st louis big and heavy hitting teams with lota of depth and everyone chipping in. We neee 4 line and 6 dmen team not just 2 line and 4 dmen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Nuck1991 said: washington and st louis big and heavy hitting teams with lota of depth and everyone chipping in. We neee 4 line and 6 dmen team not just 2 line and 4 dmen With the cap system does a winning team need to not overspend on one or two players? I think of teams like Edmonton, Toronto, and Buffalo. Now the Sharks with EK. Just wondering if your idea of a more balanced approach is the winning one? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Ghost Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, Alflives said: With the cap system does a winning team need to not overspend on one or two players? I think of teams like Edmonton, Toronto, and Buffalo. Now the Sharks with EK. Just wondering if your idea of a more balanced approach is the winning one? Overpaying is subjective. Paying quality players slightly above market value to get them to sign is different than signing marginal players to much higher contracts than their contributions warrant. It is a given though now that teams need some players on their roster punching above their pay grade and contributing more than they are worth to be successful, especially in the playoffs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyCanuck Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Me_ said: I still think there is a Lucic to Vancouver thing hanging around. Lucic and a unprotected first for Loui Edited June 24, 2019 by RowdyCanuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, RowdyCanuck said: Lucic and and unprotected first for Loui That probably means Eriksson isn’t part of the deal. Holland wouldn’t do that. Edited June 24, 2019 by Me_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyCanuck Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Me_ said: That probably means Eriksson isn’t part of the deal. Holland wouldn’t do that. Only if they kept peter ha I was be sarcastic sorry to be serious I would sutter 50% retained for Lucic and unprotected first.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 1 minute ago, RowdyCanuck said: Only if they kept peter ha I was be sarcastic sorry to be serious I would sutter 50% retained for Lucic and unprotected first.... The Canucks absorb term, and recover a first. The Oilers are a much better team with Sutter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyCanuck Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 Just now, Me_ said: The Canucks absorb term, and recover a first. The Oilers are a much better team with Sutter. And we beat them out for a wild card spot and they miss the playoffs and then the ping pong balls bounce and we finally get a top three pick 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post oldnews Posted June 24, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 24, 2019 (edited) There seems to be some impression that the team 'could have' just went to the UFA market and signed an alternative. But let's be real about that option - the possibilities are limited - and taper off quicky... Anders Lee - gonna get paid, and does not play as heavy or versatile a game as Miller Ferland - ditto, and probably a bigger risk over term Patrick Maroon - one reasonably priced placeholder option, but not really a comparable - would be a stop gap. Connolly - a RW and again not as heavy or versatile - is also likely to cash in. Beyond that it's even more of a stretch. The probability of signing one of the two 'big fish' is probably quite low, realistically - and debatable whether a few of those are advisable. Edited June 24, 2019 by oldnews 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rindiculous Posted June 24, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 24, 2019 So I’ve seen some opinions from the other side on NHL Instagram . A lot of Lightning fans hate the trade. They say that Miller is one of the only players on their team to do something every night which I’m really liking. Since some on both sides hate the trade I’m thinking it’s pretty even in value. I’m looking forward to seeing a second version of Horvat on our team. This really sets us in the right direction making sure we have all our pieces at the same time. We can’t do everything by drafting and this is the perfect time to go for the playoffs with the cap this year. Get cheaper UFAs and get players like Miller in trade and start being a playoff contender. I’m excited! 2 1 3 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeefcakeBo Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 13 minutes ago, oldnews said: There seems to be some impression that the team 'could have' just went to the UFA market and signed an alternative. But let's be real about that option - the possibilities are limited to and taper off quicky... Anders Lee - gonna get paid, and does not play as heavy or versatile a game as Miller Ferland - ditto, and probably a bigger risk over term Patrick Maroon - one reasonably priced placeholder option, but not really a comparable. Connolly - a RW - is also likely to cash in. Beyond that it's even more of a stretch. The probability of signing one of the two 'big fish' is probably quite low, realistically - and debatable whether a few of those are advisable. I think you might pay more than 5.25 for any of those guys in free agency too. But regardless, we are going to spend on a dman now. So if we moved the first for a dman instead we would be targeting one of these wingers instead of Myers ect. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JeremyCuddles Posted June 24, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Rindiculous said: So I’ve seen some opinions from the other side on NHL Instagram . A lot of Lightning fans hate the trade. They say that Miller is one of the only players on their team to do something every night which I’m really liking. Since some on both sides hate the trade I’m thinking it’s pretty even in value. I’m looking forward to seeing a second version of Horvat on our team. This really sets us in the right direction making sure we have all our pieces at the same time. We can’t do everything by drafting and this is the perfect time to go for the playoffs with the cap this year. Get cheaper UFAs and get players like Miller in trade and start being a playoff contender. I’m excited! Nobody with half a brain should hate the trade on our end. Draft pick hard on around here needs to chill and replace it with a love for winning hockey. 1 4 1 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 5 minutes ago, Rindiculous said: So I’ve seen some opinions from the other side on NHL Instagram . A lot of Lightning fans hate the trade. They say that Miller is one of the only players on their team to do something every night which I’m really liking. Since some on both sides hate the trade I’m thinking it’s pretty even in value. I’m looking forward to seeing a second version of Horvat on our team. This really sets us in the right direction making sure we have all our pieces at the same time. We can’t do everything by drafting and this is the perfect time to go for the playoffs with the cap this year. Get cheaper UFAs and get players like Miller in trade and start being a playoff contender. I’m excited! A TB blogger said he started the season on the first line, and Cooper took him off it after one game and he never went back. Was then with Killorn and Cirelli for most of the rest of the year, and claims he "wasn't the play driver". Would seem opinions vary... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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