WolfxHaley Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Fanuck said: Isn't it clear....analytics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bassetgreg Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 1 hour ago, ShawnAntoski said: Sakic is a very shrewd GM. Can we trade Benning and Weisbrod to Colorado for Sakic...Hell, I'd even throw in a conditional 2022 1st round pick and maybe a third rounder 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maketherightmove Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, bassetgreg said: Can we trade Benning and Weisbrod to Colorado for Sakic...Hell, I'd even throw in a conditional 2022 1st round pick and maybe a third rounder The condition on the first being that Byram comes along with Sakic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RakuRaku Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Maketherightmove said: The condition on the first being that Byram comes along with Sakic. And Kerfoot and Barrie too please.... BC boys coming home!! Edited June 25, 2019 by Virtanen#18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5nothincanucksohno Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Stelar said: I like how you list all of the Av's top players/prospects and then compare it to Sutter, Hutton, Schenn, Eriksson, etc. Maybe list our young talent instead. Plus, people always forget that a lot of other teams have missed the playoffs for a much longer span of time. With the Canucks not drafting well (previous to Benning) the team was due for some down years while it restocked. For example, Avs were in the playoffs every year until 2007 and since then have made the playoffs 4 times in 13 seasons...they better have some good prospects in the cupboard. The Canucks in the same span made the playoffs 7 times with the last 4 years being misses (i.e. they are re-building)...the team is adding players and Benning has established a great young core so I find it funny to see how agro people are when it comes to JB. He has made mistakes but he has also done a tonne of great things. Edited June 25, 2019 by 5nothincanucksohno 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5nothincanucksohno Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 29 minutes ago, mll said: Who knows if this will pan out though...young centers could struggle and it could impact Colorado next year. Still need vets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 44 minutes ago, Stelar said: I like how you list all of the Av's top players/prospects and then compare it to Sutter, Hutton, Schenn, Eriksson, etc. Maybe list our young talent instead. The Avs are a deep playoff team with great prospects not even on the team yet. They are set up very well for current and future success. The Canucks have been a bottom feeder for several years now and finally have their prospects in place developing. It'll be a few years before the Canucks are a good playoff team like the Avs. The current state of the Canucks isn't that good though. They've got a handful of bottom 6 veteran players with little value they need to try and move, but this will be very difficult for Benning. COL doesn't have this problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, 5nothincanucksohno said: Who knows if this will pan out though...young centers could struggle and it could impact Colorado next year. Still need vets. Whether it works or not, we will see, but they got a good 5 or so years out of Soderberg to take on some hard minutes and now giving the young guys more opportunities (concurrently as the top offensive guys are going to get paid soon). This plan looks awfully familiar and yet Sakic is a shrewd GM and Benning is a dud. Interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 As I said during the Barrie talks, just opening a spot for Sutter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathew Barzal Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 45 minutes ago, mll said: That's an awful plan. The Avalanche have a wicked core but their forward depth needs some work I thought this trade was because they were 100% landing a top forward UFA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerry35 Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 41 minutes ago, bassetgreg said: Can we trade Benning and Weisbrod to Colorado for Sakic...Hell, I'd even throw in a conditional 2022 1st round pick and maybe a third rounder Whining on every thread I see........ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebreh Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 53 minutes ago, mll said: I wish JB would do something like this. Ship out Sutter to give Gaudette a bigger role as the 3rd line C. I think Gaudette breaks out next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 1 hour ago, NUCKER67 said: Makes me wonder what Benning has up his sleeves to compete with Sakic and the other western GMs making big moves to improve. The Avs are setting up to build a dynasty. Landeskog - Horvat Rantanen - Boeser McKinnon - Pettersson Jost - Gaudette Newhook - Podkolzin Kaut - Hogslander Barrie - doesn't matter, he's leaving the Avs Byram - Juolevi (I still have faith in him) Makar - Hughes Helleson - Woo etc. Ridiculous. I'm just impatient when I see other GMs making moves. Meanwhile, we're all waiting to see what Hutton and Schenn do, like it matters. I beleive Benning will sign 1-2 UFA Dmen, but I'm not very confident he'll be able to trade away Sutter, Eriksson and others that need to go. He'll spin it like: "We want good competition at camp for the young guys. Roster spots will need to be earned, blah blah". Was curious how the Canucks match up. Ridiculousness achieved. I also like that the Canucks have Demko and Dipietro as high ranked prospects in goal as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5nothincanucksohno Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 (edited) 56 minutes ago, theo5789 said: Whether it works or not, we will see, but they got a good 5 or so years out of Soderberg to take on some hard minutes and now giving the young guys more opportunities (concurrently as the top offensive guys are going to get paid soon). This plan looks awfully familiar and yet Sakic is a shrewd GM and Benning is a dud. Interesting. I guess I don't necessarily agree with those versions of Sakic/Benning. It wasn't too long ago that the Avs seemed like a tire fire under Sakic and Roy. I would say about two years ago, Sakic started getting his feet under him (he has been in the job one year longer than Benning). I think it has more to do with the core a GM assembles...starting next year, Benning will look better and better as the core he drafted takes over the team...much like what happened when MacKinnon stepped up his game two years ago. https://milehighsticking.com/2017/10/01/colorado-avalanche-joe-sakic-developing-good-gm/ Edit: That comment might be sarcastic so my mistake if that is the case. Edited June 25, 2019 by 5nothincanucksohno 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzle Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 2 hours ago, NUCKER67 said: Makes me wonder what Benning has up his sleeves to compete with Sakic and the other western GMs making big moves to improve. The Avs are setting up to build a dynasty. Landeskog Rantanen McKinnon Jost Newhook Kaut Barrie Byram Makar Helleson etc. Ridiculous. I'm just impatient when I see other GMs making moves. Meanwhile, we're all waiting to see what Hutton and Schenn do, like it matters. I beleive Benning will sign 1-2 UFA Dmen, but I'm not very confident he'll be able to trade away Sutter, Eriksson and others that need to go. He'll spin it like: "We want good competition at camp for the young guys. Roster spots will need to be earned, blah blah". Yeah but look at their picks. Yes they built it through the draft but were generally all high picks. Avalanche were bad for a very long time. Only the Oilers have been worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butters Stoch Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 I know they're trying to clear cap space but anyone else think Avs could've easily gotten more for Soderberg? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Trebreh said: I wish JB would do something like this. Ship out Sutter to give Gaudette a bigger role as the 3rd line C. I think Gaudette breaks out next season. Maybe he is. It would be the right plan. Beagle and Horvat provide enough veteran leadership that Balls can be traded. Although who's in the market? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 54 minutes ago, 5nothincanucksohno said: I guess I don't necessarily agree with those versions of Sakic/Benning. It wasn't too long ago that the Avs seemed like a tire fire under Sakic and Roy. I would say about two years ago, Sakic started getting his feet under him (he has been in the job one year longer than Benning). I think it has more to do with the core a GM assembles...starting next year, Benning will look better and better as the core he drafted takes over the team...much like what happened when MacKinnon stepped up his game two years ago. https://milehighsticking.com/2017/10/01/colorado-avalanche-joe-sakic-developing-good-gm/ Edit: That comment might be sarcastic so my mistake if that is the case. Sakic joined the team further into their rebuild while Benning joined right at the start of it. There's going to be that time lag for a rebuilding squad. The comment I made was meant for those who continually call Sakic a shrewd GM or whatever and given this example here where they used a vet to take on the hard minutes before letting the younger guys take over seems very familiar to the trajectory and development plan we have in place as well. Yet Benning is continuously harped on by some here. Colorado luckily had some top end picks like MacKinnon and Landeskog in which we never had the luxury of. But yes, I agree that the team is only going to get better and better and hopefully Benning gets to see it through rather than another GM inheriting the work Benning has done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 They lose a 49 point guy that was on his last year for 4.75M and they get spare parts from the junkyard in return. I can’t see how this was done for them to create space to land a Panarin. Soderberg was a good deal of a contract. If they wanted to go for it next year, this was not the player to let go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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