Alflives Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, Tomatoes11 said: Des laurier is not that great dude. Lol I like how you keep closing with Lots Of Love. It shows we all love our team a lot, but just have different views on how to get better. Maybe we should all adopt you salutation? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RU SERIOUS Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 20 hours ago, 18W-40C-6W said: I will start by saying I am a JB fan. I am sure this thread will attract a lot of the JB haters but amongst those of us who appreciate what he’s done for the franchise given what he started with, I do think we need to address a major issue / weakness of his -signing and trading. JB came in, had no prospects, had a team with the Twins that the powers that be felt were owed a chance to keep trying to win a cup, irrespective of their lineup. This was a set of handcuffs for Jim and we don’t know if it was ownership, him, or just simply that you can’t trade the twins and loyalty means something still. Regardless of the reason, not the point of this thread, it made the rebuild harder. Once he he started to restock, he knew he had to bring in some younger but not rookie players to help avoid edmontonitis. He brought in players like Baer, Granlund, Sutter, etc. Some worked some didn’t but the strategy to insulate what little talent we had has actually worked. Now that some of our young players are getting up to speed, the gap fillers are becoming expendable. This is a good sign. He has done a marvellous job drafting and has put together one of the best young prospect pools in the game. As a Canuck fan for 30 years, this young group is the best I’ve ever seen. He deserves credit for this, especially given what he started with and his constraints when he came in. Now where I think JB really hasn’t done well and where we could use some senior oversight (maybe a Brian Burke) is with signings and trades. Why I bring this up, given the recent buyout, talk of ridding Erickson, I started to think of his track record here. It really is weak. It’s not killing us, but it hasn’t helped us, and maybe marginally hurt us. You simply have to look at his history of jettisoning players he’s traded for, or buying them out, it’s not good. I know you’ll never hit on all your moves, but his % is not good in this area. I am sure to miss a few, and I’m sure I’ll invite the JB haters to have a hey day here but that’s not the intent, it’s to have people share their thoughts on this issue - those who are objective that is. sub par trades and signings (again may miss some) Oy Vey! Erickson Gudbranson (the pick is the bigger issue ) Spooner (Although I guess that’s a dead weight trade for Gagner) Gagner Schaller Forsling (not that he’s great but still better than Clandenning) Prust (had to move Kassian but throwing in a pick?) now here’s a good article that is balanced on the issue and shows most of his deals. https://thecanuckway.com/2017/06/16/canucks-jim-benning-trade-history/ While the article says he hasn’t really hurt the team, losing picks has and more importantly he hasn’t made deals other than Baer that made any major difference. When trading the purpose is to improve the team, same with signings. What JB has shown is this is not an area of strength and we really should have someone else making those deals imho. Alternatively, maybe it’s as simple as a pro scouting issue and whomever is doing that job, needs to be replaced. We’re simply not getting value in our trades and signings to warrant many of the moves it seems. Thoughts? I'd say your comments are just about "bang-on". Good post! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomatoes11 Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, Alflives said: I like how you keep closing with Lots Of Love. It shows we all love our team a lot, but just have different views on how to get better. Maybe we should all adopt you salutation? Lol Seriously though. If deslaurier can get a 4th, Benning is doing it all wrong for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Tomatoes11 said: Lol Seriously though. If deslaurier can get a 4th, Benning is doing it all wrong for sure. LOL to you too. I’ve never heard of deslaurier. Who do we have that’s the same level? Goldy? Baer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomatoes11 Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 Just now, Alflives said: LOL to you too. I’ve never heard of deslaurier. Who do we have that’s the same level? Goldy? Baer? He is probably like Schaller or gaunce at best. And we already let gaunce walk for nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, Tomatoes11 said: He is probably like Schaller or gaunce at best. And we already let gaunce walk for nothing. I hope Gaunce gets a chance with another club. Good kid. Schaller is meh. I say he’s in Utica. Almost forgot. LOL Edited July 1, 2019 by Alflives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spur1 Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, Tomatoes11 said: Lol Seriously though. If deslaurier can get a 4th, Benning is doing it all wrong for sure. Seriously?....Is that all you have?....Benning is doing all wrong because I know better.....Benning is dumb....I mean like seriously is that the only tool you have in your tool box? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RU SERIOUS Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Alflives said: I remember JB saying it was a very difficult call to make, when he phoned Aquilini to let him know Gagner was getting sent to the minors. At the time I heard that comment I was thinking JB shouldn’t worry about what Aquilini was thinking. JB is the hockey expert, and the owner should keep his nose out of hockey opps. I think Aquilini is way too involved in hockey opps here. Yes, well said. Aqau-lini has messed this team up for years by sticking his nose in. I've been praying for years he'd be forced to sell the team so we could get real owners interested in a winner not just a tax write off against real estate and now that the Canada’s tax court has upheld a 2007 tax assessment this past week against the Aquilini family because the Aquilini brothers filed net income from AIGLP of about $51,000 each and their mother’s estate of $176,000 in 2007, and were reassessed by Revenue Canada to taxable income of about $11.5 million for each brother and $4.3 million for the mother’s estate, according to the judgment. Now they owe millions + with his recent failed marriage and divorce his wife took a fortune from him so he is now a financial pickle. Hopefully this finally forces him to sell. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomatoes11 Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, spur1 said: Seriously?....Is that all you have?....Benning is doing all wrong because I know better.....Benning is dumb....I mean like seriously is that the only tool you have in your tool box? Hey, I am not the one making the self explanatory poor moves. With bennings help I don’t have to do anything except point out people making much better moves than he is. Don’t shoot the messenger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spur1 Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Tomatoes11 said: Hey, I am not the one making the self explanatory poor moves. With bennings help I don’t have to do anything except point out people making much better moves than he is. Don’t shoot the messenger. Time to clean your glasses as your view is obscured. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyCanuck Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Tomatoes11 said: Hey, I am not the one making the self explanatory poor moves. With bennings help I don’t have to do anything except point out people making much better moves than he is. Don’t shoot the messenger. Name 5 GMs....that you think are better Edited July 1, 2019 by RowdyCanuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hlinkas wrister Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 20 minutes ago, Tomatoes11 said: He is probably like Schaller or gaunce at best. And we already let gaunce walk for nothing. Brendan Gaunce? You think Benning could have got something for the guy who went 94 straight games without scoring and cleared waivers without being claimed? That's a laugh. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spur1 Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 18 minutes ago, RowdyCanuck said: Name 5 GMs....that you think are better Why not 15 GM's as he says JB is so terrible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
18W-40C-6W Posted July 1, 2019 Author Share Posted July 1, 2019 36 minutes ago, Tomatoes11 said: He is probably like Schaller or gaunce at best. And we already let gaunce walk for nothing. Lol! Yes JBs fault because he can’t get anything for our junk? Smh teams have to want it enough to trade for it guy. ”letting gaunce walk for nothing” - a guy who can’t skate, is big but won’t hit, and can’t score at even a ppg pace in the AHL. It seems JB would need someone with even lower hockey knowledge than yourself as a GM to be able to trade him. Your “schtick” is getting old guy, what’s your id on hockey forums? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomatoes11 Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 1 hour ago, RowdyCanuck said: Name 5 GMs....that you think are better I can name 30. Why stop at 5? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomatoes11 Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 56 minutes ago, 18W-40C-6W said: Lol! Yes JBs fault because he can’t get anything for our junk? Smh teams have to want it enough to trade for it guy. ”letting gaunce walk for nothing” - a guy who can’t skate, is big but won’t hit, and can’t score at even a ppg pace in the AHL. It seems JB would need someone with even lower hockey knowledge than yourself as a GM to be able to trade him. Your “schtick” is getting old guy, what’s your id on hockey forums? I used gaunce as an example equivalent for the deslaurier trade. I didn’t say it was easy but it obviously could be done. Dim Jim couldn’t even trade Hamhuis. In fact, the only thing he can trade are high 2nd round picks and even getting into 1st’s now. Don’t shoot messenger. Dim jim’s Lack of trading ability is in full view for everyone to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyCanuck Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 4 minutes ago, Tomatoes11 said: I can name 30. Why stop at 5? Ha just what I figured....your nothing but b.s. Oh you know there's 31 teams right....ha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyCanuck Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Tomatoes11 said: I used gaunce as an example equivalent for the deslaurier trade. I didn’t say it was easy but it obviously could be done. Dim Jim couldn’t even trade Hamhuis. In fact, the only thing he can trade are high 2nd round picks and even getting into 1st’s now. Don’t shoot messenger. Dim jim’s Lack of trading ability is in full view for everyone to see. Hammer trade fell threw cause of Dallas if the rumors are true.....no body wants our junk plain and simple so get off it.... Gaunce was a waste of a first round pick and hammer was free.....trading takes two people something you seem to forget...this isn't EA sports 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollumpus Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 2 hours ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: I'm OK with the player. I'm less OK with the fact that we're going to give him too much money and, more importantly, way too much term. And with the other bad contracts still on the team, as well as the Luongo recapture, there won't be much more opportunity to improve the team. I still think there's a good chance we squeak into the playoffs, but upgrading a poor offense to a mediocre offense and a poor defense to a mediocre defense doesn't exactly fill me with a lot of confidence. I do think we have to get better, but at the end of the day, I doubt we'll have done enough to do any more than possibly sneak in and get ousted in the first round. The actual "at the end of the day" is that if this is what ownership wants then (maybe) they get at least two to three playoff games in Vancouver, with the associated revenues. There are enough fans (fair-weather and die-hard) who will be content with this and show continued support for the Canucks. Those who dislike this approach, at the end of the day, can choose if they want to continue to support the team, or to go to the garden and eat worms. regards, G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 Just now, Gollumpus said: or to go to the garden and eat worms. The hell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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