This July 1st, Benning can make us a playoff team, or a Cup contender.

[Arrow 1983]

I wanted to write this before July 1st for the fact it pertains to July 1st.

It looks as if JB is all in and a closer look may show it's not to save his job, but I would argue that it's cause the window is open now mucher earlier then some would have expected. 

Here is way;

1) the emergence of EP, 

2) the possible emergence of Quinn Hughes as someone to possibly to relieve pressure off of Edler 

3) Edlers best days are possible behind him but still have some good years left if only these next 2 years.

4) the contracts of both EP and QH in 2 years will mean the possible loss of our depth players; SB, TP, BS. 

5) A last go with Tanev, he is one of the best defensive defenceman but injuries may end his best years early.

Why we could become a Cup contender with the right signings;

1) there are possible top 3-4 D-men available in this draft (Myers) can relieve mins from often injured Edler maybe Edler doesn't get injured if he doesn't have to play as much

2) there are a few good defensive d-men in this Ufa that could relieve mins from Tanev look at Edler explanation why this could be good

3) there are is a possibility that Eriksson could be traded on July 1st due to his bonus being due 9million owed for next 3 years with a cap of 6 mill for 3 years for a team that wants to play at the floor starts to look better.

4) if 3 happens JB could go after another top 6 forward.

 

Conclusion;

We have depth in forward position now and could add more.

We have 6 possible depth guys at centre now ( BH,EP,BS,JB,AG, and Miller).

Miller if Bo or Petty get injured,

Gaud, if Sutter or Beagle is injured.

So no more Sutter as a possibility on our 2nd line.

If July 1st goes well real depth on defense.

Goaltending is pretty good as well

All this leads more to the thought of Cup contender then playoff hopeful.

I would argue that if Benning pulls off what I have mention;

1) playoffs must be a certainty 

2) a first round exit would be considered a disappointment 

3) year 2 of this plan needs to be contending for the Cup.

 

 

 

Edited June 30, 2019 by Arrow 1983

[Grape]

We're not competing for the Cup next year. Weird things do happen in the NHL, but as it stands now and even if JB does really well in free agency, we will not be contending for the cup next year.

[Arrow 1983]

1 minute ago, Grape said:

We're not competing for the Cup next year. Weird things do happen in the NHL, but as it stands now and even if JB does really well in free agency, we will not be contending for the cup next year.

I concluded year 2 of this plan is where we should compete for the cup year 1 a first round exit would be a disappointment.

 

Edited June 30, 2019 by Arrow 1983

[Lancaster]

Any team can be a cup contender in any year... just they need a lot of things to go their way.  

If EP becomes a legit 80+ points player, 

If Brock scores 40+ goals,

If Markstrom can establish himself as a top-5 goalie,

If Bo can play like a 2010 Mike Richards,

If Quinn Hughes can be like a 10/11 Ehrhoff,

If Edler can be the old Edler,

If OJ suddenly jumps into the lineup and plays like a Mattias Ohlund,

If Virtanen can finally emerge to be a Tom Wilson-like player,

If Gaudette can be as effective as a Pahlsson,

If Eriksson suddenly turns back to be a 2-way, 30 goal player,

If Baertschi stays healthy and puts up at least 60+ points

If Schenn re-signs and plays as an effective, physical stay-at-home defenseman,

 

Then yeah... the Canucks would probably be lifting the Stanley Cup on Georgia Street a year from now.  

Unfortunately, the Canucks would already be extremely lucky if even a third of those "ifs" pans out.  

 

[Arrow 1983]

4 minutes ago, Lancaster said:

Any team can be a cup contender in any year... just they need a lot of things to go their way.  

If EP becomes a legit 80+ points player, 

If Brock scores 40+ goals,

If Markstrom can establish himself as a top-5 goalie,

If Bo can play like a 2010 Mike Richards,

If Quinn Hughes can be like a 10/11 Ehrhoff,

If Edler can be the old Edler,

If OJ suddenly jumps into the lineup and plays like a Mattias Ohlund,

If Virtanen can finally emerge to be a Tom Wilson-like player,

If Gaudette can be as effective as a Pahlsson,

If Eriksson suddenly turns back to be a 2-way, 30 goal player,

If Baertschi stays healthy and puts up at least 60+ points

If Schenn re-signs and plays as an effective, physical stay-at-home defenseman,

 

Then yeah... the Canucks would probably be lifting the Stanley Cup on Georgia Street a year from now.  

Unfortunately, the Canucks would already be extremely lucky if even a third of those "ifs" pans out.  

 

I'm not looking at it as career years for everyone but a team of depth guys surrounding our young emerging stars playing a team system.

Edited June 30, 2019 by Arrow 1983

[fecklund]

This team is a total mess. Benning has A LOT of work to do to fix that - if he even can.



Baertschi : at 26 he still needs a fire lit under his ass before he plays 4 or 5 good games in a row. is one concussion away from death. 

Sutter      : "foundational player" who was brought in to be a reliable 2-way shut down guy, but is -30 since arriving, and you forget he's even on your team because he's in the hospital more than the doctors that work there.

Beagle     : is a 33 years old Sutter clone. Overpaid "glue guy" that really doesn't do anything, other than exist.

Eriksson   : scores an own goal on his first day. (HELLO!) Another guy that's kind of "just there"

Granlund   : was on the cusp of becoming a 20 goal scorer before being turned into another useless "200 foot" useless robot. I hope he gets a new start somewhere and does well.

Pearson     : needs to become the 40+ point player he was in LA or say goodnight. 

Spooner     : already gone

Hutton         : already gone

Poopalot      : already gone. 

That's 6 guys that still need to have their asses peeled off this lineup and replaced. JT Miller was a good add, but we have huge holes all through the lineup still, and I'm not even going to get into the Defence.
I don't envy Benning's job, tell ya that much. 
 

[Googlie]

11 minutes ago, Lancaster said:

Any team can be a cup contender in any year... just they need a lot of things to go their way.  

If EP becomes a legit 80+ points player, 

If Brock scores 40+ goals,

If Markstrom can establish himself as a top-5 goalie,

If Bo can play like a 2010 Mike Richards,

If Quinn Hughes can be like a 10/11 Ehrhoff,

If Edler can be the old Edler,

If OJ suddenly jumps into the lineup and plays like a Mattias Ohlund,

If Virtanen can finally emerge to be a Tom Wilson-like player,

If Gaudette can be as effective as a Pahlsson,

If Eriksson suddenly turns back to be a 2-way, 30 goal player,

If Baertschi stays healthy and puts up at least 60+ points

If Schenn re-signs and plays as an effective, physical stay-at-home defenseman,

 

Then yeah... the Canucks would probably be lifting the Stanley Cup on Georgia Street a year from now.  

Unfortunately, the Canucks would already be extremely lucky if even a third of those "ifs" pans out.  

 

TG has already had this printed out in huge bold letters and stapled to the dressing room notice board.

 

Look for all these "ifs" to happen !!!

[Alflives]

31 minutes ago, Arrow 1983 said:

I concluded year 2 of this plan is where we should compete for the cup year 1 a first round exit would be a disappointment.

 

I totally 100% agree with your assertions.  I’d add that JB knows he has a really good group of prospects, who will be pushing for spots in 1 to 3 years.  The window for winning with this young core (as you say) is open now.  JB is making moves to get it wide open, and keep it wide open for as long as possible.  

Excellent posts OP. 

[Nucker 67]

I think Pettersson, Boeser, Horvat and Hughes will have a good year. Maybe J.T. Miller forms some chemistry with Elias or Bo. Let's hope so anyway. It looks like they're going to lose Hutton and Schenn. Will Tanev play another (half) season in VAN? Benning sounded confident with the additions of Teves and Rafferty. Really? Big day for Benning tomorrow, to turn this team around. This D is nowhere near good enough yet though. He's got work to do.

 

Edler - Stecher

 Hughes - Tanev

Sautner/Juolevi - Rafferty

Teves

 

Also, they really need to get rid of Eriksson and Sutter, they don't need that negativity in the room or the $10m cost to keep them around. 

[appleboy]

Benning is already admitting that they won't be able to do what they wanted in this years ufa market.  Luongo's recapture and the mil to unload Spooner has hurt. They will need to replace Hutton and hopefully improve the D. I personally don't think that is Myers. I think it is who they want.

I think Tampa will get a 2021 lotto pick.

[appleboy]

Reports are out that Myers will be 5 X 6mil. Sounds realistic.  They are also to be close on Benn. I like that a lot.

I am not sold on Myers but a 5 year term is palatable. 

Just think about what they could have accomplished if they had not squandered their cap on players like Sutter, LE and......

Now would have been the time to be sitting with 30 plus mil. 

Edited July 1, 2019 by appleboy

[iceman64]

5 hours ago, Arrow 1983 said:

I wanted to write this before July 1st for the fact it pertains to July 1st.

It looks as if JB is all in and a closer look may show it's not to save his job, but I would argue that it's cause the window is open now mucher earlier then some would have expected. 

Here is way;

1) the emergence of EP, 

2) the possible emergence of Quinn Hughes as someone to possibly to relieve pressure off of Edler 

3) Edlers best days are possible behind him but still have some good years left if only these next 2 years.

4) the contracts of both EP and QH in 2 years will mean the possible loss of our depth players; SB, TP, BS. 

5) A last go with Tanev, he is one of the best defensive defenceman but injuries may end his best years early.

Why we could become a Cup contender with the right signings;

1) there are possible top 3-4 D-men available in this draft (Myers) can relieve mins from often injured Edler maybe Edler doesn't get injured if he doesn't have to play as much

2) there are a few good defensive d-men in this Ufa that could relieve mins from Tanev look at Edler explanation why this could be good

3) there are is a possibility that Eriksson could be traded on July 1st due to his bonus being due 9million owed for next 3 years with a cap of 6 mill for 3 years for a team that wants to play at the floor starts to look better.

4) if 3 happens JB could go after another top 6 forward.

 

Conclusion;

We have depth in forward position now and could add more.

We have 6 possible depth guys at centre now ( BH,EP,BS,JB,AG, and Miller).

Miller if Bo or Petty get injured,

Gaud, if Sutter or Beagle is injured.

So no more Sutter as a possibility on our 2nd line.

If July 1st goes well real depth on defense.

Goaltending is pretty good as well

All this leads more to the thought of Cup contender then playoff hopeful.

I would argue that if Benning pulls off what I have mention;

1) playoffs must be a certainty 

2) a first round exit would be considered a disappointment 

3) year 2 of this plan needs to be contending for the Cup.

 

 

 

You were half right but not this year or next and further until depth is built up to get through battles in a post season... whether that be in prospects or trades etc, without that, we won't get far. 

Edited July 1, 2019 by iceman64

[CanadianRugby]

5 hours ago, fecklund said:

Beagle     : is a 33 years old Sutter clone. Overpaid "glue guy" that really doesn't do anything, other than exist.

He does stuff.  Like get injured and overpaid.  

[Gollumpus]

If, as some suggest, that Eriksson is gone (just waiting for July 1) then a number of options open up. I guess it depends on how/where he goes.

 

                                                           regards,  G.

[HockeyHarry]

When Canucks make the playoffs anything can happen. 94 Canucks are proof of that.

so I’m not ruling out anything this season or any season moving forward.

i believe a cup run is a low percentage possibility this season but there’s still a chance. But each year I think Canucks odds will go up. This Team is on the rise.

[deus.ex.makina]

double post

Edited July 1, 2019 by deus.ex.makina

[deus.ex.makina]

triple. 
do i win something? 

 

i can't even edit properly. French connection... but internet connection as its finest.

Edited July 1, 2019 by deus.ex.makina

[deus.ex.makina]

6 hours ago, fecklund said:

This team is a total mess. Benning has A LOT of work to do to fix that - if he even can.



Baertschi : at 26 he still needs a fire lit under his ass before he plays 4 or 5 good games in a row. is one concussion away from death. 

Sutter      : "foundational player" who was brought in to be a reliable 2-way shut down guy, but is -30 since arriving, and you forget he's even on your team because he's in the hospital more than the doctors that work there.

Beagle     : is a 33 years old Sutter clone. Overpaid "glue guy" that really doesn't do anything, other than exist.

Eriksson   : scores an own goal on his first day. (HELLO!) Another guy that's kind of "just there"

Granlund   : was on the cusp of becoming a 20 goal scorer before being turned into another useless "200 foot" useless robot. I hope he gets a new start somewhere and does well.

Pearson     : needs to become the 40+ point player he was in LA or say goodnight. 

Spooner     : already gone

Hutton         : already gone

Poopalot      : already gone. 

That's 6 guys that still need to have their asses peeled off this lineup and replaced. JT Miller was a good add, but we have huge holes all through the lineup still, and I'm not even going to get into the Defence.
I don't envy Benning's job, tell ya that much. 
 

I'm running out of patience with this team, (been a fan since the 93-94 run and still angry for a cup contending team years in years out). So i'm agree with you on your list.
But you have to admit that, even if there is a lot of work to do, the trend is toward the good direction. 
we can live with Sutter (1/2 season on ice, 1/2 season in hospital) and Beagle. But we HAVE TO get rid of Eriksson.

Edited July 1, 2019 by deus.ex.makina

[JesseBlue]

i feel that almost every July 1st, benning just makes us a laughing stock of the league

[189lb enforcers?]

Pay 10m per year if you have to, but do it on one year deals or whatever it takes to not repeat a LE.