morrissex95 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 (edited) To Vancouver: RD PK Subban(22% retained = $7 Million AAV) To NJ: C Brandon Sutter LW Loui Eriksson RD Troy Stecher VAN 2nd 2021 New Jersey gets: Out from under that Subban contract while retaining a small amount. More depth at centre to develop Hughes and Hischier. Eriksson could bounce back if not they get a significant amount of financial relief from taking on Eriksson's contract vs. Subban's contract. Troy Stecher still has potential but is still a solid 4/5/6. guy. Vancouver gets: a motivated PK Subban who we finally land after pursuing him for all these years. He's a potential No.1 defender who improves our team drastically for the potential playoff run. Once you're in, if your goalie gets hot you never know how far you can go. Subban would play great next to Edler, Tanev would still with Hughes and Myers would play with Benn/Fantenberg _______________________________ To Vancouver: LW Max Domi To Montreal: LW Tanner Pearson RW Vasili Podkolzin VAN 2nd 2020 Montreal gets: A highly touted young Russian power forward who would look great on Kotkaniemi's wing in the future. Tanner Pearson replaces some of Domi's offence, he's a little older than Domi and he replaces probably 2/3 of Domi's offense. The question is does Montreal think Pearson can fill in the void that Domi had in the room? Does this move mean Montreal is rebuilding? Are they keeping Claude Julien or Marc Bergevin? Bergevin has underachieved as Montreal's GM and has had many opportunities. Reminds me of Kevin Lowe in Edmonton. Way too much rope. EDIT (SORRY FORGOT TO INCLUDE): Vancouver gets: A 60-70 point guy to play with Bo Horvat. At long last someone who can play at Horvat's level and make our offence much more balanced. These two trades make us a potential Stanley Cup Contender. What will JB do? a big Edited February 5, 2020 by morrissex95 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 With the retention the Devils actually ended up spending about $5m more over the 2 seasons plus they take on roughly an additional $6m cap space per year. That’s a big price to pay for 2 cap dumps , a bottom pairing D with arbitration rights and a 2nd in 2021. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCE Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 switch 2nd rd to a 3rd rd and take the retention out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithers joe Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 wouldn’t want subban. rather keep louie. i like domi but will pod become a better version of domi in time. we’ld be giving up 7 players for 2. other than podkolzin, all the players we give up are players that are old, injury prone, on bad contracts or mediocre. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliboy Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 If PK is available, then might be a Tanev trade to whomever, then send those assets to NJ, with a little tweaking, to get PK with salary retained by NJ. Tanev wouldn't have to go to NJ. JB has tried to acquire him twice, I still think he'd be a good fit here, take some pressure off QH, very unlikely JB can swing it but who knows. This is why I say the offers for Tanev would have to be real good because it would have to be good enough to make a deal like this possible, otherwise Tanev stays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timberz21 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 9 hours ago, morrissex95 said: To Vancouver: RD PK Subban(22% retained = $7 Million AAV) To NJ: C Brandon Sutter LW Loui Eriksson RD Troy Stecher VAN 2nd 2021 New Jersey gets: Out from under that Subban contract while retaining a small amount. More depth at centre to develop Hughes and Hischier. Eriksson could bounce back if not they get a significant amount of financial relief from taking on Eriksson's contract vs. Subban's contract. Troy Stecher still has potential but is still a solid 4/5/6. guy. Vancouver gets: a motivated PK Subban who we finally land after pursuing him for all these years. He's a potential No.1 defender who improves our team drastically for the potential playoff run. Once you're in, if your goalie gets hot you never know how far you can go. Subban would play great next to Edler, Tanev would still with Hughes and Myers would play with Benn/Fantenberg _______________________________ To Vancouver: LW Max Domi To Montreal: LW Tanner Pearson RW Vasili Podkolzin VAN 2nd 2020 Montreal gets: A highly touted young Russian power forward who would look great on Kotkaniemi's wing in the future. Tanner Pearson replaces some of Domi's offence, he's a little older than Domi and he replaces probably 2/3 of Domi's offense. The question is does Montreal think Pearson can fill in the void that Domi had in the room? Does this move mean Montreal is rebuilding? Are they keeping Claude Julien or Marc Bergevin? Bergevin has underachieved as Montreal's GM and has had many opportunities. Reminds me of Kevin Lowe in Edmonton. Way too much rope. EDIT (SORRY FORGOT TO INCLUDE): Vancouver gets: A 60-70 point guy to play with Bo Horvat. At long last someone who can play at Horvat's level and make our offence much more balanced. These two trades make us a potential Stanley Cup Contender. What will JB do? a big No thanks to the Domi trade. I don't consider him a 60-70 pts guy when he only reached that milestone once in his career. And he's about to turn 25 and be an RFA who's going to ask for a 60-70 pts guy salary (north of 6M$ IMO). Can't see Benning signing him above Bo and Brock. I've always like Subban (even though he's overpaid), especially with retention , but now that he's 30 and keep declining, i'm not sure anymore if he's worth it. Not sure he can find another gear and get a few good year with the right environnment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly Green Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 No team is going to take on Loui's contract until this summer after his bonus payout unless they are sending a truckload of garbage back, I'd rather just keep him until then. Mutual termination is probably a more realistic option at that point anyway , either way he's done here with no albatross contract coming back. How's that for a trade proposal? :-) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Ward Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 Subban would not be good for team chemistry. Also, he's not good enough anymore for the long term cap risk. Pearson is a legit 2nd line LW. Great attitude and chemistry with Bo. Podkolzin is a beast and was ranked 3rd overall most of last season. Slipped due to being Russian and under contract for 2 years. Podkolzin and Hoglander are the reason JB was ok trading a 1st for Miller. Domi a very good player but for me he is a mediocre 1st line player and a very good 2nd liner. I think that is a huge overpayment. I think Pearson and a 2nd is as far as I would go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Dixon Ward said: Subban would not be good for team chemistry. Also, he's not good enough anymore for the long term cap risk. Pearson is a legit 2nd line LW. Great attitude and chemistry with Bo. Podkolzin is a beast and was ranked 3rd overall most of last season. Slipped due to being Russian and under contract for 2 years. Podkolzin and Hoglander are the reason JB was ok trading a 1st for Miller. Domi a very good player but for me he is a mediocre 1st line player and a very good 2nd liner. I think that is a huge overpayment. I think Pearson and a 2nd is as far as I would go. Pearson and a 2nd doesn’t remotely get it done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcam Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 10 hours ago, morrissex95 said: To Vancouver: RD PK Subban(22% retained = $7 Million AAV) To NJ: C Brandon Sutter LW Loui Eriksson RD Troy Stecher VAN 2nd 2021 New Jersey gets: Out from under that Subban contract while retaining a small amount. More depth at centre to develop Hughes and Hischier. Eriksson could bounce back if not they get a significant amount of financial relief from taking on Eriksson's contract vs. Subban's contract. Troy Stecher still has potential but is still a solid 4/5/6. guy. Vancouver gets: a motivated PK Subban who we finally land after pursuing him for all these years. He's a potential No.1 defender who improves our team drastically for the potential playoff run. Once you're in, if your goalie gets hot you never know how far you can go. Subban would play great next to Edler, Tanev would still with Hughes and Myers would play with Benn/Fantenberg _______________________________ To Vancouver: LW Max Domi To Montreal: LW Tanner Pearson RW Vasili Podkolzin VAN 2nd 2020 Montreal gets: A highly touted young Russian power forward who would look great on Kotkaniemi's wing in the future. Tanner Pearson replaces some of Domi's offence, he's a little older than Domi and he replaces probably 2/3 of Domi's offense. The question is does Montreal think Pearson can fill in the void that Domi had in the room? Does this move mean Montreal is rebuilding? Are they keeping Claude Julien or Marc Bergevin? Bergevin has underachieved as Montreal's GM and has had many opportunities. Reminds me of Kevin Lowe in Edmonton. Way too much rope. EDIT (SORRY FORGOT TO INCLUDE): Vancouver gets: A 60-70 point guy to play with Bo Horvat. At long last someone who can play at Horvat's level and make our offence much more balanced. These two trades make us a potential Stanley Cup Contender. What will JB do? a big Big No to Subban 31 years old soon with personality that might not fit in with great chemistry in Vancouver dressing room now.. Trading 2nd rounder and other prospect for short term is wrong direction.. We need to keep on track and be patient and not make silly trades for short term additions and no older players.. Would rather target younger D man like Dumba 25 year old would be #1 type D man....This type of deal makes us so scary with D man like Dumba.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 Absolute no to Punk Kid. He's a known 'me first' player who takes selfish, badly timed penalties and who has a contract which, with declining production, makes him grossly overpaid. As for Domi, he's one of their 'core' players. If you're interested in him you'd better be ok with giving up BoHo who is likely the guy they ask for in return. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tree n Me Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 No to Subban. The Montreal trade is mindnumbingly bad. Whatever happened to: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyndall2 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 No to both deals. We don't need baggage we need hungry guys who want to play and stay. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DADDYROCK Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 PK Subban,OH HELL NOI! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Ward Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 4 hours ago, qwijibo said: Pearson and a 2nd doesn’t remotely get it done I am not saying it would. I am saying that is all I would want to give up. I think Domi is better but not by as much as others think. Pearson also has Stanley Cup experience. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Dixon Ward said: I am not saying it would. I am saying that is all I would want to give up. I think Domi is better but not by as much as others think. Pearson also has Stanley Cup experience. So essentially you’re not willing to offer what it would take to get Domi. That’s cool. Pearson has been great on Horvat’s wing Edited February 5, 2020 by qwijibo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DJSkingz Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 No to both. Lets run with what we have and see if we get into the dance. Next year we can tool around. Lets keep status quo for now. We are not expected to compete for the cup. Next 3 years after we should move into contender status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morrissex95 Posted February 6, 2020 Author Share Posted February 6, 2020 Why does everyone think Subban is a bad guy? He made his phone number accessible to fans and actually responded to my texts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 10 minutes ago, morrissex95 said: Why does everyone think Subban is a bad guy? He made his phone number accessible to fans and actually responded to my texts Yeah. He strikes me as a genuinely good guy. He just had a big personality, which apparently is frowned upon in the nhl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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