kingofsurrey Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Warhippy said: Yet again, you're ignorant of how things work; it's murky but I explained it very clearly a few pages back. Hereditary chiefs have no power over title holders or band councils and sit as more titular figureheads but STILL have the power to hold things up as their power is recognized in provincial and federal law, a large part of why hereditary titles are dying out and quickly Wrong again. Signing contracts that lay pipe on non reserve - first nations teritorrial lands with out hereditary chiefs consent was just completely irresponsible strategy by our governments negotiation team. Simple, our governemtns negotiators is trying to circumvent the system with is thoussands of year old.. The indian act was set up . designed to break up and destroy first nations communities..... When you see the rail and ports shutdown... you will realize that this strategy was poorly thought out. Edited February 11, 2020 by kingofsurrey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said: KOS is my favourite poster on this forum... Settlers wiped out 60% of BC indigenous people in 1860 with introduced disease.... Stole their land..... Forced them into residential schools... Apprenhended their children into foster care with non first nation families..... Watched their women disappear from our highways hitchhiking as bus options are so limited / expensive.... then we locked up 25 % of mostly males first nations in prison.. ( even when they make up 5% of the population )..... Then we watched then non grad from our school system and drop out due to so little first nation curriculum in our textbooks / school courses... Yah its first nations peoples fault.... YET we are still blaming first nations people for everything that is wrong in our province..... Not we. You or them. I'm a First Nations member, Broken Head Ojibwe, my people were recruited to help settlers cross the prairies. My band helped secure vital land areas for expansion. My band lost 90% of its history and 2 full generations to residential schools and the SCOOP program after being pushed further north and out of the bracken and tree lines to effectively freeze to death. Much of my band still lives without water and spotty power. We were pushed away from Winnipeg and resettled near Gimli, then forcibly resettled to the other side of the Bay. I know about my people's history 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuktravella Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 8 hours ago, kingofsurrey said: Those bands have been here for thoussands of years.... why should they risk permanently poisoning their lands for quick buck. Handouts are not the answer. Indigenous owned and run businesses are a much bettter idea. liquid natural gas is non toxic and it helps the economy having this pipeline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said: Wrong again. Signing contracts that lay pipe on non reserve - first nations teritorrial lands with out hereditary chiefs consent was just completely irresponsible strategy by our governments negotiation team. Simple, our governemtns negotiators is trying to circumvent the system with is thoussands of year old.. The indian act was set up . designed to break up and destroy first nations communities..... When you see the rail and ports shutdown... you will realize that this strategy was poorly thought out. Contracts signed in good faith by the title holders and agreed upon by the members of the area. That is all it takes; except now the push back is coming from non power holders and outsiders to the area. I applaud the protestors. Anything that brings light to these issues is good. But I do not applaud or accept non power holders dictating what title holders can and can not do with their titled land within band license Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 5 minutes ago, canuktravella said: liquid natural gas is non toxic and it helps the economy having this pipeline. Sorry . No. LNG extraction is very bad for the environment. Very dirty and consumes tons of energy to produce it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 6 minutes ago, Warhippy said: Contracts signed in good faith by the title holders and agreed upon by the members of the area. That is all it takes; except now the push back is coming from non power holders and outsiders to the area. I applaud the protestors. Anything that brings light to these issues is good. But I do not applaud or accept non power holders dictating what title holders can and can not do with their titled land within band license The issue is not about reserve land / titled land. The issue is about off reserve land. Territorial lands...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 17 minutes ago, canuktravella said: liquid natural gas is non toxic and it helps the economy having this pipeline. Forget the economy. It does amazing things for Global emissions. 11 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said: Sorry . No. LNG extraction is very bad for the environment. Very dirty and consumes tons of energy to produce it. Listen buddy we tease back and fourth. But honestly, we need to lift First Nations communities out of poverty. Projects like this will do just that while also. Lowering our Global emissions footprint 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said: Forget the economy. It does amazing things for Global emissions. Listen buddy we tease back and fourth. But honestly, we need to lift First Nations communities out of poverty. Projects like this will do just that while also. Lowering our Global emissions footprint How does laying a piece of pipe across a bands territorial land raise them from poverty.... Indigenous people want to own the means of production.... not to just collect a few dollars a week to host a few lengths of pipe....... Thats chump change. Real first nations leaders are thinking bigger than that...... the others are just selling out for enough bucks for a weekend downtown.... Edited February 12, 2020 by kingofsurrey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 1 minute ago, kingofsurrey said: How does laying a piece of pipe across a bands territorial land raise them from poverty.... Indigenous people want to own the means of production.... not to just collect a few dollars a week to host a few lengths of pipe....... That's why I would say. You should look at the Alberta approach. I know we make jokes back and fourth. However, Alberta has always done a good job of including its first Nations population in energy projects. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Warhippy said: Not we. You or them. I'm a First Nations member, Broken Head Ojibwe, my people were recruited to help settlers cross the prairies. My band helped secure vital land areas for expansion. My band lost 90% of its history and 2 full generations to residential schools and the SCOOP program after being pushed further north and out of the bracken and tree lines to effectively freeze to death. Much of my band still lives without water and spotty power. We were pushed away from Winnipeg and resettled near Gimli, then forcibly resettled to the other side of the Bay. I know about my people's history I really think it is time our next generation ( eg. students / youth ) need to learn about Canada's indigenous peoples contributions to Canadian history... and the sad story of how often our first nations people have been mistreated. Our schools systems curriculum needs to corrected and we need to stop lying / hiding about the truth. Hopefully your band can re-establish its history and pass it down to the youth of today - so much to be proud about. Failure to properly negotiate is just making a mess of things... Anti-pipeline protesters have blocked one of Vancouver’s busiest intersections. The intersection of Cambie Street and Broadway has been shut down and blocked in all directions by demonstrators since around 2 p.m. Vancouver police say traffic isn’t getting through. Edited February 12, 2020 by kingofsurrey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 (edited) 30 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said: I really think it is time our next generation ( eg. students / youth ) need to learn about Canada's indigenous peoples contributions to Canadian history... and the sad story of how often our first nations people have been mistreated. Our schools systems curriculum needs to corrected and we need to stop lying / hiding about the truth. Hopefully your band can re-establish its history and pass it down to the youth of today - so much to be proud about. Failure to properly negotiate is just making a mess of things... Anti-pipeline protesters have blocked one of Vancouver’s busiest intersections. The intersection of Cambie Street and Broadway has been shut down and blocked in all directions by demonstrators since around 2 p.m. Vancouver police say traffic isn’t getting through. I feel like the same people that want to Not talk about the Injustices done to First Nations communities Are the same people crying racism in the Trump thread. So why is it they want to ignore What happened in this country to our indigenous people? Because that in itself was a complete travesty and Injustice. And no apologies will ever be acceptable. But together we can try to move forward to a better future. Edited February 12, 2020 by Ryan Strome 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken. Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 28 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said: I really think it is time our next generation ( eg. students / youth ) need to learn about Canada's indigenous peoples contributions to Canadian history... and the sad story of how often our first nations people have been mistreated. Our schools systems curriculum needs to corrected and we need to stop lying / hiding about the truth. Hopefully your band can re-establish its history and pass it down to the youth of today - so much to be proud about. Failure to properly negotiate is just making a mess of things... Anti-pipeline protesters have blocked one of Vancouver’s busiest intersections. The intersection of Cambie Street and Broadway has been shut down and blocked in all directions by demonstrators since around 2 p.m. Vancouver police say traffic isn’t getting through. Is this the intersection near VGH? Disrupting ambulances, other hospital goers and those with long awaited specialist appointments isnt a good way to publicize the protest movement, imo... public reactions are not positive from what i read, but perhaps any attention is good attention... here is a clip i saw https://streamable.com/umjxo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Chicken. said: Is this the intersection near VGH? Disrupting ambulances, other hospital goers and those with long awaited specialist appointments isnt a good way to publicize the protest movement, imo... public reactions are not positive from what i read, but perhaps any attention is good attention... here is a clip i saw https://streamable.com/umjxo Equally arresting peaceful elders / woman and children protesting on their OWN land is also not really a good image for our government. Public reactions from what i see have not been good. The whole world is watching Canada once again mistreat its indigenous peoples..... Edited February 12, 2020 by kingofsurrey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken. Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 1 minute ago, kingofsurrey said: Equally arresting peaceful elders / woman and children protesting on their OWN land is also not really a good image for our government. Public reactions from what i see have not been good. The whole world is watching Canada once again mistreat its indigenous peoples..... Yeah the government sucks too, we should advocate for smaller government and a more libertarian approach Two wrongs don’t make a right me thinks though On the CBC radio this morning one of the hereditary chiefs was interviewed and said that they have done a walk through with LNG. That these protesters are not actually part of the band and that creating these blockades hurt the cause. I respect the right to protest and have your voices heard, but blocking major routes here in Vancouver uncalled for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 2 hours ago, Squamfan said: hey are burning our flag, wonder how they would feel if we burned some totems poles i am not anti native but a disgrace that there burning our flag I don`t like people messing with the flag. It`s a statement to all Canadians, even the ones that support your cause. I was also annoyed when I saw one of the AB separatist groups hanging it upsides down. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonLever Posted February 12, 2020 Author Share Posted February 12, 2020 Blockage at Cambie and Broadway has been ongoing for hours. No traffic going through all 4 directions. As you know, the B-Line goes to UBC. Ten of Thousands are affected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 25 minutes ago, bishopshodan said: I don`t like people messing with the flag. It`s a statement to all Canadians, even the ones that support your cause. I was also annoyed when I saw one of the AB separatist groups hanging it upsides down. I opposed the pipeline before the protests. I probably could have forgiven the massive blockages eventually. Burn my flag and it's on. I can't describe how disgusted I am with these people on a family friendly site. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPA Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 The protesters are planning on setting up tents to block the intersection at Cambie and Broadway 24/7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squamfan Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, BPA said: The protesters are planning on setting up tents to block the intersection at Cambie and Broadway 24/7. Why the f can’t they be arrested Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squamfan Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 50 minutes ago, DonLever said: Blockage at Cambie and Broadway has been ongoing for hours. No traffic going through all 4 directions. As you know, the B-Line goes to UBC. Ten of Thousands are affected. Plus it is midterm season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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