VegasCanuck Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, BigTramFan said: On the contrary, our cap issues are likely at their worst in 2021/22. If we replace Eriksson with OEL, then his $6m cap space is already taken, likely more than that if ARZ don't retain salary on OEL. Coming off the books next season is only Sutter, Baer, Pearson, Edler, Benn. This is $19.5m coming off the books. I would say at least 3 of these guys will need direct replacement on the roster. That will cost at least $3m for 3 new players on ELC or cheap deals (e.g. from guys such as Hoglander, Lind, Podz, Jasek, Juolevi, Rafferty). Our performance bonuses from 2020/21 are not likely getting paid this coming season, so that will be another $4.55m cap hit in 2021/22. That leaves $12m to pay for Pettersson, Hughes and Demko's pay rises. Not enough! We are going to have to hope that Seattle takes a player with significant salary in the expansion draft (maybe Myers, Beagle or Roussel) just to make it all fit. Possibly buy out or trade the likes of Roussel, Beagle. Waive Ferland to the AHL as soon as he is considered healthy again (since his NMC shifts to m-NTC) to save $1m instead of having a full $3.5m anchor on the NHL roster. We are certainly not opening up enough space to sign any FA difference makers. Not sure what you are getting excited about... You hit the nail on the head, right there. Benning has already stated that he has 6 - 7 guys who will be NHL ready over the next 2 seasons and that we will be filling lineup from there. As far as Ferland goes, I doubt that he will ever come off LTIR, considering how many times he's tried. All teams with players like Pettersson and Huges, deal with constant cap issues. Is what it is, trust that Benning has a plan, he has stated that they have mapped this out 100 different ways and has access to a LOT more data than any of us do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 1 minute ago, Jayinblack said: And the Spooner buyout is another $1M The year after that... $9M more in Roussel, Beagle, and Luongo's cap penalty Lots of dead cap space for sure. I would say not so much for Rousel and Beagle. They still contribute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTramFan Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 Just now, VegasCanuck said: You hit the nail on the head, right there. Benning has already stated that he has 6 - 7 guys who will be NHL ready over the next 2 seasons and that we will be filling lineup from there. As far as Ferland goes, I doubt that he will ever come off LTIR, considering how many times he's tried. All teams with players like Pettersson and Huges, deal with constant cap issues. Is what it is, trust that Benning has a plan, he has stated that they have mapped this out 100 different ways and has access to a LOT more data than any of us do. I trust Benning has a plan and yes it will include having many ELC players on the team. I'm just not sure why you are so excited about all the cap space coming up when it isn't there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 If Arizona is holding this up by waiting for Boston GM JB should have the guts to then tell Arizona he is going to pull his standing offer. If that is what is indeed happening we are the 2nd choice and JB should realize that. If Boston can sign Krug to a price they like then they will, if Krug walks as a FA tomorrow then Arizona has leverage over Boston maybe to get that better package. So why should the Canucks just sit around and wait...to see if our 2nd choice ends up being what Arizona chooses to take IF they even deal OEL. Take it or leave it offer to Arizona should be on the table today, put the pressure on them...we don't NEED to gut our prospects or picks further WHILE adding a 7yr contract at over 8m. It is not like we are getting rid of Sutter or LE with lengthy term...they are 2 players who in 2 yrs at most will be off our books. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, BigTramFan said: I trust Benning has a plan and yes it will include having many ELC players on the team. I'm just not sure why you are so excited about all the cap space coming up when it isn't there. I'm not excited about it. We'll constantly push to the limit. Its one of the reasons why players like OEL would want to be here. Will always try and shoot for the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 38 minutes ago, Dazzle said: Because the Canucks don't have to do that. There's already a pre-existing deadline. Also, Arizona can't "dictate" the terms in the way you think. It's all about balancing the aggression. Either people are overly aggressive (which alienates your trading partners, i.e. Gillis), or not aggressive at all (taking what is given). I'm glad that no one here is part of the negotiations. That right there tells me you have no clue on how to negotiate. Nobody HAS to do anything when in negotiations... But the ones that do are the ones that get the good deals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Mike Vanderhoek said: Juolevi is very highly ranked in the organization. Not on the block but perhaps a neccessary move if needed. But someone the team wants in their future. He will play big minutes for the Canucks down the road. totally agree, he has a lot of value which is why he'd be targeted by AZ. Have to give to get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 49 minutes ago, stawns said: Hoglander I'd consider. Podz, no chance in hell If I was forced to choose between the two for some reason, for sure. hard nosed Russian F and then Russian tank on d.... me likey. I'm starting to think Jim is going to walk from all of our UFAs this year and go hunting in free agency. Wennberg at 2.5 mil e.g. vs Toffoli at 5, that kind of thing. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoosh Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 25 minutes ago, BigTramFan said: On the contrary, our cap issues are likely at their worst in 2021/22. If we replace Eriksson with OEL, then his $6m cap space is already taken, likely more than that if ARZ don't retain salary on OEL. Coming off the books next season is only Sutter, Baer, Pearson, Edler, Benn. This is $19.5m coming off the books. I would say at least 3 of these guys will need direct replacement on the roster. That will cost at least $3m for 3 new players on ELC or cheap deals (e.g. from guys such as Hoglander, Lind, Podz, Jasek, Juolevi, Rafferty). Our performance bonuses from 2020/21 are not likely getting paid this coming season, so that will be another $4.55m cap hit in 2021/22. That leaves $12m to pay for Pettersson, Hughes and Demko's pay rises. Not enough! We are going to have to hope that Seattle takes a player with significant salary in the expansion draft (maybe Myers, Beagle or Roussel) just to make it all fit. Possibly buy out or trade the likes of Roussel, Beagle. Waive Ferland to the AHL as soon as he is considered healthy again (since his NMC shifts to m-NTC) to save $1m instead of having a full $3.5m anchor on the NHL roster. We are certainly not opening up enough space to sign any FA difference makers. Not sure what you are getting excited about... Could you be any more depressing while still pointing out quality facts? Almost made me cry and had me looking for a calculator at the same time. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegionOfDoom Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, Robert Long said: If I was forced to choose between the two for some reason, for sure. hard nosed Russian F and then Russian tank on d.... me likey. I'm starting to think Jim is going to walk from all of our UFAs this year and go hunting in free agency. Wennberg at 2.5 mil e.g. vs Toffoli at 5, that kind of thing. Yes I was thinking the same thing, I think tofo has inflated numbers playing with petey and wennberg or some other fish could do similar things at half the price Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petey Castiglione Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 9 minutes ago, Robert Long said: If I was forced to choose between the two for some reason, for sure. hard nosed Russian F and then Russian tank on d.... me likey. I'm starting to think Jim is going to walk from all of our UFAs this year and go hunting in free agency. Wennberg at 2.5 mil e.g. vs Toffoli at 5, that kind of thing. Would not mind this route at all. Full money puck value during FA if JB can be smart about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noseforthenet Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 6 hours ago, 70seven said: Hughes is exempt from expansion draft FYI. Right on. I thought he might not be after playing one more full season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, Petey Castiglione said: Would not mind this route at all. Full money puck value during FA if JB can be smart about it what has the market been calling for? a young elite core with cap flexibility when their window opens. If Jim lets our older UFAs walk, in one year we can have that. Maybe thats the plan all along here. The OEL thing fell in his lap and I'm sure he'll do it if it doesn't cost too much, but he's better imo than any skater we're letting go by a long shot. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTramFan Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 12 minutes ago, Spoosh said: Could you be any more depressing while still pointing out quality facts? Almost made me cry and had me looking for a calculator at the same time. Haha! Sorry about that. Not trying to depress anyone! We just need to temper our expectations of how much room JB has to play with in the next 2 seasons. Things will be very tight to the cap. Many decisions will be based on whether things can be made to fit. What will be exciting is the amount of young talent that will be infusing into the lineup over the coming seasons. We have A LOT to look forward to! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post aGENT Posted October 8, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 8, 2020 23 minutes ago, Spoosh said: Could you be any more depressing while still pointing out quality facts? Almost made me cry and had me looking for a calculator at the same time. The key takeaways should be that none of our 'problems' are unmanageable, are short term, and we're far from alone with covid. There's work to be done. But that should always be the case if your constantly trying to improve. You should inherently be dancing around the cap ceiling. Doubly so during a global pandemic. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 Anyone else getting a little nervous about the lack of activity by the Canucks? tic toc Benning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post aGENT Posted October 8, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 8, 2020 1 minute ago, NUCKER67 said: Anyone else getting a little nervous about the lack of activity by the Canucks? tic toc Benning Nope. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petey Castiglione Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 12 minutes ago, Robert Long said: what has the market been calling for? a young elite core with cap flexibility when their window opens. If Jim lets our older UFAs walk, in one year we can have that. Maybe thats the plan all along here. The OEL thing fell in his lap and I'm sure he'll do it if it doesn't cost too much, but he's better imo than any skater we're letting go by a long shot. Completely agree. They had a plan in place and the OEL deal just appeared. If we get a great deal, awesome. If not, we're still sitting pretty for with our young core moving forward 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NucksIn50 Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 1 minute ago, aGENT said: Nope. I second that. Nope. Everyone needs to relax n stay frosty, our team is on the rise so kick back, have a drink of choice and let our GM of the year in 2021 work some magic adding to our already dynamic young core. Our ownership is on board to spend to cap year in year out, we are lucky to have that type of support. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 6 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said: Anyone else getting a little nervous about the lack of activity by the Canucks? tic toc Benning 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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