wallstreetamigo Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Of course they do. They pay 12 million over the next 6 seasons in order to save 50 million. That’s a great deal for them. And you’re missing the part where we get a number 1 defenseman. He is not anywhere near what we need for 6 more years with a nmc. The team needs a RHD to play with Hughes. OEL is going to be the next Loui Eriksson if Benning is stupid enough to trade for him, mark my words. Financial considerations are not the only reason they are desperate to trade him. He is starting to regress already. No chance they retain for 6 years. Edited June 20, 2021 by wallstreetamigo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
combover Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 (edited) 37 minutes ago, DeNiro said: I mean I probably already know the answer but… How would fans feel about: OEL (2mil retained) 37th pick for 9th pick Eriksson Terrible. he’s over paid and over rated his contract is terrible one of the worst in the league they won’t pay him 2 mill for the next 5 years So maybe if they take AR beagle Louie Myers and the 9th For OEL and a second And retain 2 mill for three years. and even Then it’s a maybe. If they retained them replacing Myers with OEL for the same money and dumping the other cap anchors. he gave them two teams so let’s remember when kes did that everyone called him a jerk ( to say it nicely) now we want this jerk. And the return wasn’t very good so the excuse was it was Kes fault not JBs. Well the shoes on the other foot the return shouldn’t be good for OEL since he did the same thing plus has a terrible contract. I hope our cap mismanagement once again saves us from another disaster with 5 years of consequences. Edited June 20, 2021 by combover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 Camt believe people want to trade our 9th OA pick and 1 year left of Eriksson for a 30 year old starting to decline left handed D with 6 years at 8.25 mil left with a full nmc. I mean l, how manty times do we need to see this movie to know the ending sucks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 Just now, wallstreetamigo said: Camt believe people want to trade our 9th OA pick and 1 year left of Eriksson for a 30 year old starting to decline left handed D with 6 years at 8.25 mil left with a full nmc. I mean l, how manty times do we need to see this movie to know the ending sucks? Wow overreact much? It was one proposal to generate discussion on a discussion forum… Now its “people” wanting to trade the 9th overall.? You must have missed the part where I said I already knew the answer. Thanks for the melodramatic response though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzipunch Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 Erikkson, Roussel, Holtby, and Rathbone. Rathbone is the nugget the rest are all gone after one season and they save 50 million on OEL's deal. No 9OA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 5 minutes ago, combover said: Terrible. he’s over paid and over rated his contract is terrible one of the worst in the league they won’t pay him 2 mill for the next 5 years So maybe if they take Nobody trades for him at his full salary that’s the whole point. Arizona retains 2 mil a season in order to not pay him 10.5 mil next season (which they can’t afford). If you’ve got a problem with OEL at 6.25 then you must really have a problem with Myers. OEL is far superior to Myers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, Bertuzzipunch said: Erikkson, Roussel, Holtby, and Rathbone. Rathbone is the nugget the rest are all gone after one season and they save 50 million on OEL's deal. No 9OA Rather have Rathbone than the 9th. Not sold on anyone at number 9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzipunch Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 Yeah i really don’t believe hes regressing like wallstreet is suggesting. Players especially D do still play well in their 30s 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
combover Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 1 minute ago, DeNiro said: Nobody trades for him at his full salary that’s the whole point. Arizona retains 2 mil a season in order to not pay him 10.5 mil next season (which they can’t afford). If you’ve got a problem with OEL at 6.25 then you must really have a problem with Myers. OEL is far superior to Myers. That’s why they have to take Myers lol. He’s an upgrade over Myers or Schmidt if they retained 2 mill and take one of those guys back as well as Louie then it’s a solid maybe lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirCosmoDuffGordon Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 I would say 2m retained and then Schmidt + Joulevi but I would first be exploring a Seth Jones trade with Schmidt being a key piece if nothing can be done there then package him for OEL as long as salary is retained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 Just now, Bertuzzipunch said: Yeah i really don’t believe hes regressing like wallstreet is suggesting. Players especially D do still play well in their 30s He is regressing both statistically and simply with the eye test. Good dman still but not what he used to be and his contract is top 5 worst in the NHL imo. Mostly due to the crazy term left on it with a nmc. If you are paying 8.25 mil for 6 years for a D, he should be approaching or in his prime and still improving as a player. He may not fit with Hughes but if you are throwing that kind of money around without needing to get a partner for Hughes, just sign Dougie Hamilton. OEL would be better than Edler. But 6 seasons is a huge bet to make on him being your #1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 (edited) Lets clarify things here a little...... OEL is now a 2nd pairing Dman in Arizona with Chychrun holding down the 1st pairing LHD So let for sake of argument say we get 3 of 5 years as a decent LHD, with no right to move That means we eat 8.25 X 2 years of crap..............that has value So let's move Myers for OEL + a 1st Hey, Myers and OEL are totally different players, but very close in contributions....both play 2nd pairing So the difference is that last 3 years the Canucks are locked into.......that 8.25 million per for 2 years What is the value of taking on that cap hit...what is the risk? What is the value of that risk? Edited June 20, 2021 by janisahockeynut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 20 minutes ago, combover said: That’s why they have to take Myers lol. He’s an upgrade over Myers or Schmidt if they retained 2 mill and take one of those guys back as well as Louie then it’s a solid maybe lol A maybe to swap Myers for OEL? Every GM in the league makes that move. OEL anywhere else is still in the top 15 discussion for defensemen. Arizona is killing his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 OEL gave a list of 2 teams he would accept a trade to. Vancouver or Boston. Unless he has opened that up to the whole league, why would either of those teams give up anything remotely close to the on ice value of the player? Especially when his value is significantly downgraded by his contract terms and cap hit? If Arizona wants to cap dump him, so be it. No way should Benning pay any assets of premier value for him. With 3 mil retention for the whole contract and an agreement to nullify the nmc portion, maybe he is worth an asset or two. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzipunch Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said: Lets clarify things here a little...... OEL is now a 2nd pairing Dman in Arizona with Chychrun holding down the 1st pairing LHD So let for sake of argument say we get 5 of 8 years as a decent LHD, with no right to move That means we eat 8.25 X 3 years of crap..............that has value So let's move Myers for OEL + a 1st Hey, Myers and OEL are totally different players, but very close in contributions....both play 2nd pairing So the difference is that last 3 years the Canucks are locked into.......that 8.25 million per for 3 years What is the value of taking on that cap hit...what is the risk? What is the value of that risk? Wait he only has 5 years left Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 18 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said: He is regressing both statistically and simply with the eye test. Good dman still but not what he used to be and his contract is top 5 worst in the NHL imo. Mostly due to the crazy term left on it with a nmc. If you are paying 8.25 mil for 6 years for a D, he should be approaching or in his prime and still improving as a player. He may not fit with Hughes but if you are throwing that kind of money around without needing to get a partner for Hughes, just sign Dougie Hamilton. OEL would be better than Edler. But 6 seasons is a huge bet to make on him being your #1. You keep saying 8.25… The deal doesn’t happen without retention. It isn’t even possible. As for regressing statistically. You maybe think that could have to do with Arizona getting worse and playing a boring trap style? Top 5 worst? Not even close. He can still play at a high level. There’s lots of contracts where teams are just burying them in the minors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 Just now, Bertuzzipunch said: Wait he only has 5 years left Yes, I caught myself on that, and corrected it Sorry, just a little slow..... and you are so damned quick! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 52 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said: Eriksson has 1 year at 6 mil left then that is free cap. OEL has 6 years at 8.25 mil left. With a full nmc. No chance Arizona retains 2 mil (or any amount) for 6 years. Doesn’t hurt to try. No salary retention = no team interested. OEL is in the neighbourhood of a 6M value player not 8.25M (given his age and production). I’m sure Arizona understands....I think they would bite. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzipunch Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said: Yes, I caught myself on that, and corrected it Sorry, just a little slow..... and you are so damned quick! 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzipunch Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 At this point id try anything to improve the D. Just dont touch quinn and maybe rathbone. Rest can go away and try something new Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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