Patel Bure Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 (edited) [proposal] Benning’s realistic dream defense? Keep in mind that this is not *my* dream defense, but rather, this might be what Benning has in my mind for both the short term and long term. Next season: OEL-Barrie Hughes-Myers Edler-Stecher 2021-2022 OEL-Barrie Hughes-Myers Tryamkin-Stecher ps - I’m not listing Juolevi and/or Rathbone here because if the Canucks get OEL, then I don’t think either of Rathbone or Juolevi has a future here since Hughes and OEL will dominate the top two LD spots. If the Canucks elect to keep Stecher while signing Barrie, then Rafferty will be gone as well. Benning’s vision for next season? Miller-Petterson-Boeser Pearson-Horvat-Toffoli Roussel-Gaudette-MacEwen Motte-Beagle-Sutter OEL-Barrie Hughes-Myers Edler-Stecher Markstrom NewBackUp I don’t want to deviate too far from the focus of this thread, but I can’t see Benning being able to keep both Markstrom and Demko.....and Benning definitely wants to keep Markstrom. My guess is that Benning wants to keep Demko as well, but will realize the impracticality of it. In other words, I think Benning will finally give in and use Demko as a massive sweetener to get rid of Eriksson and Ferland, or Eriksson and Baertschi. We all can sit back and fantasize about the Canucks building a young burgeoning core foe the long run, but Benning’s empahsis on wanting to sign Markstrom and Toffoli, while going after OEL, seems to indicate that he wants to go “all in” now. In order to get rid of some terrible contracts however, a significant sweetener will need to be used, and I believe that Demko might be used here. Juolevi, Rafferty, and Lind can be used to get rid of other bad contracts, but these sweeteners by themselves won’t get you rid of the likes of Eriksson and Ferland. I think Benning will also do whatever he can do keep Boeser and move Virtanen. Edited October 4, 2020 by DarkIndianRises Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post King Heffy Posted October 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 4, 2020 I highly doubt Benning will go full Toronto and ice a defense that poor in our own end. 2 1 3 3 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 6 minutes ago, King Heffy said: I highly doubt Benning will go full Toronto and ice a defense that poor in our own end. Is OEL that bad is on actual defence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 1 minute ago, 73 Percent said: Is OEL that bad is on actual defence? Unless I’m mistaken, his skating seems to be deteriorating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 Just now, 73 Percent said: Is OEL that bad is on actual defence? He's not that awful, but he sure as hell isn't good enough to cover for a guy who is unable or unwilling to play like an NHLer in his own zone. Sub Tanev in for Barrie and that group would be ok. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patel Bure Posted October 4, 2020 Author Share Posted October 4, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, King Heffy said: I highly doubt Benning will go full Toronto and ice a defense that poor in our own end. I’ll sub in Tanev for Barrie below par your suggestion. Maybe if Benning gets OEL, he won’t feel the need to go after Barrie. Hope you’re right, but he seems to be quite high on both Barrie and OEL (or just high in general?). Ps - using my above scenario, if it were to actually go down, my guess is that Benning would use the following measures to create cap space for Pettersson and Hughes. 1) Walk From Edler 2) Walk from Pearson (replaced by Hoglander) 3) Walk from Sutter 4) If Podkolzin is ready for top 6 duty, one of Boeser or Toffoli will be moved. Next season: Miller-Pettersson-Boeser Pearson-Horvat-Toffoli Roussel-Gaudette-MacEwen Motte-Beagle-Sutter OEL-Myers Hughes-Tanev Edler-Stecher Markstrom VetBackUp 2021-2022: Miller-Pettersson-Boeser Hoglander-Horvat-Podkolzin Roussel-Gaudette-MacEwen Motte-Beagle-NewGuy OEL-Myers Hughes-Tanev Tryamkin-Stecher Markstrom Dipietro Something like that? To Arizona: Demko + Virtanen + Rathbone + Eriksson + Ferland. (Yotes possibly buy out their newly acquired bad contracts?) To Canucks: OEL. I have no idea.... Edited October 4, 2020 by DarkIndianRises Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Warhippy Posted October 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 4, 2020 Screw Barrie..... 1 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singing chef Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 While I admire your creativity, I have some doubts this would work. Firstly, I don't think the team outlined will fit under the cap. Secondly, if you pair OEL with Barrie, who on that D pair is going to play defense ? They are both better known as offensive D men and puck movers. As well, there are 3 pp specialist D-men: OEL, Barrie, Hughes. Seems a bit overkill. And, I would want more toughness in the D. OEL, Myers & Edler have size, the others not so much. My two bits worth. Cheers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silky mitts Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 Yes do you understand our cap crunch? It's not pretty at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 OEL rumours......OEL has a NTC and has said he would waive for Boston or Vancouver. That is all we know for sure about the matter. We have heard nothing about whether Benning would make a deal or not. You can bet that he has called Bill Armstrong. But as to actually making a deal, this is pure conjecture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patel Bure Posted October 4, 2020 Author Share Posted October 4, 2020 16 minutes ago, Crabcakes said: OEL rumours......OEL has a NTC and has said he would waive for Boston or Vancouver. That is all we know for sure about the matter. We have heard nothing about whether Benning would make a deal or not. You can bet that he has called Bill Armstrong. But as to actually making a deal, this is pure conjecture. According to guys like Dreger and Dhaliwal, Benning and then Yotes have been in constant talks about OEL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patel Bure Posted October 4, 2020 Author Share Posted October 4, 2020 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Silky mitts said: Yes do you understand our cap crunch? It's not pretty at all Arizona would have to eat atleast two of our bad contracts in order for this to work. So for example: Demko + Virtanen + Rathbone + Eriksson + Ferland for OEL. And then, Rafferty, rights to Tryamkin, or Juolevi in a separate deal to get rid of someone like Sutter or Baertschi (probably Baertschi). I haven’t done the exact math, but I think doing the above would make us cap compliant for this coming season: For the following season, Edler and Pearson can come off the books. That money can go towards one of Petey or Hughes. Toffoli or Boeser can be traded for make room for Podkolzin, while Dipietro can replace our vet back up. That should be enough to have enough money to sign the other of Petey or Hughes. Agreed with most in this thread that if we get OEL, then we should keep Tanev and not pursue Barrie. Miller-Pettersson-Boeser Pearson-Horvat-Toffoli Roussel-Gaudette-MacEwen Motte-Beagle-Sutter OEL-Myers Hughes-Tanev Edler-Stecher Markstrom VetBackUp 2021-2022: Miller-Pettersson-Boeser Hoglander-Horvat-Podkolzin Roussel-Gaudette-MacEwen Motte-Beagle-Lind OEL-Myers Hughes-Tanev Tryamkin-Stecher Markstrom Dipietro Edited October 4, 2020 by DarkIndianRises Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 6 minutes ago, DarkIndianRises said: According to guys like Dreger and Dhaliwal, Benning and then Yotes have been in constant talks about OEL. I think that Benning should be very very careful if he is seriously considering trading for OEL. $8.25 for 7 more years, he'll be 36 AND he has a full NMC until the end of his contract. This is dynamite imo. He really needs to consider the cap structure of the team for the next 7 years. I think that in general, it is dangerous to have more than your 2 star players with salaries greater than $6M. Depth is so important. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinky-Winky Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 (edited) Hope we get OEL, but barrie pass ....alot of vancouver fans want OEL tryamkin wont be playing in the NHL ...so people need to stop dreaming.... Edited October 4, 2020 by x00x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 A severe lack of Rathbone in these proposed lineups. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 That defense would get destroyed by Vegas. Demko would be looking at 60 shots a night. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patel Bure Posted October 4, 2020 Author Share Posted October 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Crabcakes said: I think that Benning should be very very careful if he is seriously considering trading for OEL. $8.25 for 7 more years, he'll be 36 AND he has a full NMC until the end of his contract. This is dynamite imo. He really needs to consider the cap structure of the team for the next 7 years. I think that in general, it is dangerous to have more than your 2 star players with salaries greater than $6M. Depth is so important. I completely agree with what you’re saying, but everything that I’m hearing from Benning is that he wants to be all in for next year. Benning’s approach is to roll with Markstrom, Boeser, Tanev, and a guy like OEL and try and make a huge push within the next 1-4 years. My approach would have been to let Markstrom and Tanev walk, committing to Demko, Stecher, and Virtanen, and moving a guy like Boeser for Carlo or Ekblad. Preserving and building a youngish core that would remain in tact for a long time, while having guys like Hoglander, Podkolzin, Rathbone, etc., join the team. Pettersson and Horvat would lead the way at center, while Hughes and [Carlo or Ekblad] would be our version of Keith and Seabrook. That’s more or less what I had in my mind, but Benning is taking a more aggressive stance than I would. Benning seems like he’s willing to be all in for these coming years, and have another GM worry about future cap complications (ie Markstrom and OEL being bad value 5 years from now). It’s a different way of thinking for sure, but I’m confident that Benning will steer us in the right direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patel Bure Posted October 4, 2020 Author Share Posted October 4, 2020 (edited) 55 minutes ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: A severe lack of Rathbone in these proposed lineups. If Hughes and OEL are on the same time, they’ll dominate the top two LD position does years to come. Guys like Juolevi and Rathbone might not get an opportunity here as a result, which sucks because I really both those young guys. It also leads me to believe that if we do in fact land OEL, while also committing to Stecher, then guys like Juolevi, Rathbone, and Rafferty will be used as sweeteners to get rid of other bad contracts of ours (assuming of course, that some of the aforementioned were involved in the OEL deal). Edited October 4, 2020 by DarkIndianRises Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patel Bure Posted October 4, 2020 Author Share Posted October 4, 2020 2 hours ago, Warhippy said: Screw Barrie..... Benning seems to love him. I think Benning sees Barrie as a guy that can be had for a good cap hit and term due to his misfit in Toronto. At the end of the season presser, Benning talked about his desire to have more PMD’s in the line-up. That’s why I suspect that if Benning can’t get things done with OEL, he’ll target Barrie as a consolation prize. My initial post was likely erroneous however (ie both OEL and Barrie being here). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kloubek Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 (edited) Barrie is fine if you can pair him with a shutdown guy like Tanev. There is no denying his ability to put up points with the right team. Toronto wasn't the right team, apparently. He must be a somewhat buy-low proposition, which is still risky for us to commit to, given our need for better D and cap woes. If he isn't able to put up points, that's a massive screw up from our perspective with precious cap. We also don't have a 2nd elite defensive defenseman, as Hughes needs one too on the right in order to cover during his heroics. Barrie does nothing for making our d stronger or harder to play against either. As already mentioned, I'm also not crazy about Rathbone and/or OJ not having ice time this year. Maybe during injury? But otherwise, I think OEL is a better fit. I think he would thrive on our team. Edited October 4, 2020 by kloubek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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