Alflives Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 1 minute ago, stawns said: 100% support that. You want freedom? You want choice? Well that choice, that freedom comes with a consequence.........no different than quitting, imo. I sure hope there's no whining as most of the unvaxxed are also those crying about the govt paying people, via cerb, to sit at home Exactly! That’s a great point. The antivaxxers want less government. This is what they want. So give it to them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 17 minutes ago, stawns said: 100% support that. You want freedom? You want choice? Well that choice, that freedom comes with a consequence.........no different than quitting, imo. I sure hope there's no whining as most of the unvaxxed are also those crying about the govt paying people, via cerb, to sit at home thats really what it comes down to, consequences. Which of course they are trying to avoid any way that they can. We have to take a tough love approach with them, and protect them from themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 33 minutes ago, JM_ said: it is, its the fed's saying it. You have to comply with the terms of your employment, and not doing that makes you ineligible for EI. Its a good move. Anti-vaxxers are off the rails, they can't think rationally. Its only by playing hardball that we'll be able to wake them up. We’re not talking about welfare we’re talking about EI. Something that everyone who works pays into (essentially your own money) It should not be denied to anyone who is out of work no matter what the reason. This is not actually giving people a choice if you’re saying get the vaccine or end up homeless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, JM_ said: thats really what it comes down to, consequences. Which of course they are trying to avoid any way that they can. We have to take a tough love approach with them, and protect them from themselves. The media really has done a masterful job at turning people against the unvaccinated. Do you really want to see people with no money and on the street because they made a poor choice? I don’t think that’s the type of country I wanna live in. I may not agree with their choice but I don’t want to see their lives ruined over it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 Just now, DeNiro said: We’re not talking about welfare we’re talking about EI. Something that everyone who works pays into (essentially your own money) It should not be denied to anyone who is out of work no matter what the reason. This is not actually giving people a choice if you’re saying get the vaccine or end up homeless. no matter what the reason? really? They are free to go get another job that will accept their choice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 1 minute ago, JM_ said: thats really what it comes down to, consequences. Which of course they are trying to avoid any way that they can. We have to take a tough love approach with them, and protect them from themselves. Yup, as I mentioned yesterday, my school community suffered the loss of a 31 year old father of one of our grade 3 students. I found out yesterday he was a vocal anti masker/vaxxer. He's now left an 8 year old girl without a father, a wife without a husband and a young family without his income. For the unvaxxed it's getting to the point of "when" not "if" 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, DeNiro said: We’re not talking about welfare we’re talking about EI. Something that everyone who works pays into (essentially your own money) It should not be denied to anyone who is out of work no matter what the reason. This is not actually giving people a choice if you’re saying get the vaccine or end up homeless. Do you get EI if you choose to leave your job? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 Just now, JM_ said: no matter what the reason? really? They are free to go get another job that will accept their choice. Yes. It’s your own money. That’s like saying they wouldn’t be able to get a tax return. Its an abuse of power by the government no matter how you look at it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 Just now, DeNiro said: The media really has done a masterful job at turning people against the unvaccinated. Do you really want to see people with no money and on the street because they made a poor choice? I don’t think that’s the type of country I wanna live in. I may not agree with their choice but I don’t want to see their lives ruined over it. it has nothing to do with the media. Go look at the hospitalization rates and whats happening to our healthcare workers. That's not spin. I'd rather see an antvaxxer live with the consequences of their choice than be allowed to go hurt someone else in their workplace. Not sure why you think thats an acceptable alternative? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 1 minute ago, stawns said: Do you get EI if you choose to leave your job? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 Just now, DeNiro said: Yes. It’s your own money. That’s like saying they wouldn’t be able to get a tax return. Its an abuse of power by the government no matter how you look at it. but the basis of EI is that its "no fault of your own" that you lost your job. How does being an anti-vaxxer qualify for that? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 1 minute ago, DeNiro said: Yes. only if you have just cause. Being anti-vax doesn't apply. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 Just now, JM_ said: it has nothing to do with the media. Go look at the hospitalization rates and whats happening to our healthcare workers. That's not spin. I'd rather see an antvaxxer live with the consequences of their choice than be allowed to go hurt someone else in their workplace. Not sure why you think thats an acceptable alternative? Except you’re lumping everyone in who hasn’t gotten vaccinated as an “antivaxxer”. People choose not to get the vaccine for other reasons than being against vaccines. I would say the measures in place were already harsh enough. We as taxpayers will end up paying for these people when they’re on welfare on the street anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post stawns Posted October 23, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 23, 2021 1 minute ago, DeNiro said: The media really has done a masterful job at turning people against the unvaccinated. Do you really want to see people with no money and on the street because they made a poor choice? I don’t think that’s the type of country I wanna live in. I may not agree with their choice but I don’t want to see their lives ruined over it. My feelings toward the unvaxxed have nothing to do with media. It has to do with a group of people in my community who are refusing to step up and do their part to keep our community safe.........all based on ignorance and misinformation. If they don't want to step up and do what's right for the greater good, why should they get to benefit. Ask that little 8 year old in my school what she thinks of people who refuse to get it. She started the year in isolation from a day care exposure and likely passed it to him, now, because of his unbelievable selfishness, she has to.live with that for the rest of her life. That makes me sick to my stomach and it's got nothing to do with the media 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, JM_ said: only if you have just cause. Being anti-vax doesn't apply. That’s not a thing. They just made that up which is an abuse of the system IMO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 Just now, DeNiro said: Except you’re lumping everyone in who hasn’t gotten vaccinated as an “antivaxxer”. People choose not to get the vaccine for other reasons than being against vaccines. I would say the measures in place were already harsh enough. We as taxpayers will end up paying for these people when they’re on welfare on the street anyways. The interview I heard was people with legit medical issues would not be denied 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Except you’re lumping everyone in who hasn’t gotten vaccinated as an “antivaxxer”. People choose not to get the vaccine for other reasons than being against vaccines. I would say the measures in place were already harsh enough. We as taxpayers will end up paying for these people when they’re on welfare on the street anyways. no I'm not doing that. People with legitimate reasons have no reason to be concerned, they would get EI. Again tho, why do the rights of an anti-vaxxer trump someone elses? there are real, legitimate reasons to keep unvaccinated people out of some jobs. OTOH there's no good reason to expose someone to covid because of someones choice. Its pretty black and white. Edited October 23, 2021 by JM_ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 1 minute ago, stawns said: The interview I heard was people with legit medical issues would not be denied What about religious and cultural reasons? Medical reasons that don’t fall under their list? I don’t think cutting off people’s own money is the answer. What about the poor kids of these people who have made poor choices? Should they suffer too? My opinion is EI is a right that shouldn’t ever be taken away. That’s not gonna change. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 6 minutes ago, DeNiro said: That’s not a thing. They just made that up which is an abuse of the system IMO. which part do you think isn't at thing? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, JM_ said: no I'm not doing that. People with legitimate reasons have no reason to be concerned, they would get EI. Again tho, why do the rights of an anti-vaxxer trump someone elses? there are real, legitimate reasons to keep unvaccinated people out of some jobs. OTOH there's no good reason to expose someone to covid because of someones choice. Its pretty black and white. These people will still get punished by losing their job. Giving them a financial buffer so that they don’t end up homeless and having us paying for them isn’t giving them that much. Everyone should be entitled to EI if they’ve paid into it. It shouldn’t be used as a political pawn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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