Coronavirus outbreak

[Chris12345]

6 minutes ago, stawns said:

While I agree, those people aren't breathing heavily like you do in a gym and that's the difference

You haven't seen me drink and eat chicken wings.....jk

[-DLC-]

Just how it is these days....everything's fragile and we have to do what it takes to stabilize.   The small inconveniences in life can become much bigger if we don't.

[Russ]

47 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

I was late to that conversation and yes I agree they should be closed.

 

My source of anger is the glaring and blatant hypocrisy and seemingly mindless approach to these new lockdowns.  Again, I can not stress enough.

 

My facility.  Masks.  Always.  Appointment only.  6000 SQ FT, maximum of 20 people in building.  Clean downs mandatory.  No showers.  No linens.

 

BUT!

 

We can go to a theater, dank room on an incline with an updraft at 50% capacity.

That image I showed means only 6 to a table.  BUT!  A large party can book two tables and there's no mandate on sitting on both sides of said table

Canucks games and concerts capped at 50%.  Still over 10k in a building with THOSE washrooms but it's all good.

Malls, no changes at all during covid.  Orchard Park in Kelowna?  Metrotown?  Good luck finding consistent mask wearing or sanitizing there

 

I am a business owner.  I also work PT at my gym.  Based on the nature of my business being strictly event coverage during the winter/xmas/new year season I am officially out 2 sources of income.  Again.  I have had my ass handed to me for following the rules for 2 years.  In a normal year I'll shoot upwards of 35-40 weddings at an average $3500+ price point.  I'll do 15 recurring advertisement campaigns for local businesses.  I'll do Santa photos and more.  ALL gone.  Literally have given back close to $30,000 in deposits since Covid started.  Wrote down a $16,000 loss last year alone.  Will write down possibly up to $7000 more this year + any covid/CERB pay back I owe the government.

 

I have done EVERYTHING they have asked.  We have suffered collectively and were promised at that 80%+ coverage from vaccinations they would not lock us down again.  The gym is my only get away on a day to day basis.  Not just for mindless employment but for release.

 

I'm more than pissed bud.  My gym is possibly the safest venue I can think of under our guidelines and now even that's gone.  This is the crap that pushes people over the edge.  Want to lose the goodwill of people?  Want to push them in to the screw you Bonnie camp?  Want to shatter small business owners?  How about damage people's mental health and financial stability.

 

Well, I mean it's all good.  I can drink my face off at the tap at a pub next to 5 other strangers.  But as long as I don't go for a spin at my gym it's all good *sarcasm*

 

Ya mate, no argument you can levy here right now.  I'm pissed and there's nothing I can do about it except watch the lower mainland and alberta swarm our region for the holidays and get punished again further in 3 weeks

They could have simply said no more cardio equipment, only weights and masks all the time with reduced limits like last spring and it would have been better. 

 

 

 

Looks like university are finding the hospitalizations are much less too. High cases not low hospitalizations. Makes it much less reason to lock down. 

[JM_]

14 hours ago, Chicken. said:

Not freaking and no facebook just firsthand experience. Ill survive just disappointed and annoyed but alas aren't  we all.

as will all of us in one way or another.

[stawns]

6 minutes ago, Russ said:

They could have simply said no more cardio equipment, only weights and masks all the time with reduced limits like last spring and it would have been better. 

 

 

 

Looks like university are finding the hospitalizations are much less too. High cases not low hospitalizations. Makes it much less reason to lock down. 

Holy Jesus, disclose tv?  C'mon

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mediabiasfactcheck.com/disclose-tv/%3famp=1

 

[Russ]

Just now, stawns said:

Holy Jesus, disclose tv?  C'mon

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mediabiasfactcheck.com/disclose-tv/%3famp=1

 

I don't care for disclose much but if it's coming out of a university then it's still facts. 

[stawns]

Just now, Russ said:

I don't care for disclose much but if it's coming out of a university then it's still facts. 

But there's no information, no link to the study, no context, no actual source in any way

[stawns]

9 minutes ago, Russ said:

They could have simply said no more cardio equipment, only weights and masks all the time with reduced limits like last spring and it would have been better. 

 

 

 

Looks like university are finding the hospitalizations are much less too. High cases not low hospitalizations. Makes it much less reason to lock down. 

It may very well be legit, but link to the actual study not a site that's been flagged by every major fact checking organization on the planet

[JM_]

13 hours ago, Warhippy said:

 

So I can't go to my gym (that I work at pt for a free membership) under appointment rules only, where masks are worn period

 

But!!!!

 

I can go drink my face off at a bar, pub it restaurant; where the table across from me is doing the same but NOBODY is wearing a mask at all.

 

I mean it's evident wtf is gonna happen in 3 weeks with omicron and it's not gonna be the fault of fitness facilities.

 

The province screwed this roll out up bigly

I feel for you, I really do particularly on whats happened to your business. And on the fitness side too. I like nothing more than to b out xcountry skiing, and to have that shut down 6 weeks early made no sense either, I typically pass about 2 people per 10km, but asshats partying at Sun Peaks and Whistler shut that down for us. I fully expect that to happen once again.

 

I dont envy Dr Henry one bit. The latest rules are designed to try to limit spread in people under 30 and unfortunately people that do the right thing like you get caught up in it.

 

Government is a blunt instrument. Not sure what other option we actually have when you get down to it.

[JM_]

1 hour ago, bishopshodan said:

 

Meanwhile both my families plan to have big gatherings...I feel like I dont know what to do or how to think about things anymore.

I have people in my family doing that too, some of them un-vaccinated (the SK ones). I know what I'd do, not go.

 

I don't know if it matters to you now, but times like this let us know who we are. People like you that are doing the right thing get to know that about yourself, when it mattered you did it the right way.

[johngould21]

8 minutes ago, JM_ said:

I feel for you, I really do particularly on whats happened to your business. And on the fitness side too. I like nothing more than to b out xcountry skiing, and to have that shut down 6 weeks early made no sense either, I typically pass about 2 people per 10km, but asshats partying at Sun Peaks and Whistler shut that down for us. I fully expect that to happen once again.

 

I dont envy Dr Henry one bit. The latest rules are designed to try to limit spread in people under 30 and unfortunately people that do the right thing like you get caught up in it.

 

Government is a blunt instrument. Not sure what other option we actually have when you get down to it.

The invincible ones! The invincible ones that take it home to mom, dad, grampa, and granny!

[gizmo2337]

18 minutes ago, Russ said:

They could have simply said no more cardio equipment, only weights and masks all the time with reduced limits like last spring and it would have been better. 

 

 

 

Looks like university are finding the hospitalizations are much less too. High cases not low hospitalizations. Makes it much less reason to lock down. 

 

11 minutes ago, stawns said:

Holy Jesus, disclose tv?  C'mon

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mediabiasfactcheck.com/disclose-tv/%3famp=1

 

 

9 minutes ago, stawns said:

But there's no information, no link to the study, no context, no actual source in any way

I posted the paper yesterday that most people would be referring to. "Early assessment of the clinical severity of the SARS-CoV-2 Omicron variant in South Africa"

It suggest omicron has 70% less severe outcomes, but the data is limited. It's a best effort early study to try to make apples to apples comparison of Omicro vs Delta variant.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.21.21268116v1
 

[JM_]

1 minute ago, johngould21 said:

The invincible ones! The invincible ones that take it home to mom, dad, grampa, and granny!

one run and done because their boots hurt

[stawns]

3 minutes ago, gizmo2337 said:

 

 

I posted the paper yesterday that most people would be referring to. "Early assessment of the clinical severity of the SARS-CoV-2 Omicron variant in South Africa"

It suggest omicron has 70% less severe outcomes, but the data is limited. It's a best effort early study to try to make apples to apples comparison of Omicro vs Delta variant.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.21.21268116v1
 

I had no issue with the study, just the source he used.

[gizmo2337]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/12/22/south-africa-omicron-coronavirus-cases/
"The study found that the omicron variant was 80 percent less likely to lead to hospitalization than the delta variant and that for patients who were hospitalized, the risk of severe illness was 30 percent lower."

I think they are talking about this study:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/12/14/south-africa-omicron-coronavirus/
"The study by Discovery Health, South Africa’s largest health insurer, showed that risk of hospital admissions among adults who developed covid-19 was 29 percent lower than in the initial pandemic wave that emerged in March 2020."

https://www.discovery.co.za/corporate/news-room

Not sure about conflict of interest on that study. The data seems like a ballpark  match to yesterday's pre-print though.

[RUPERTKBD]

43 minutes ago, Russ said:

I don't care for disclose much but if it's coming out of a university then it's still facts. 

 

42 minutes ago, stawns said:

But there's no information, no link to the study, no context, no actual source in any way

Yeah, I actually went looking for it on the U of E website. Nothing.

 

@Russ Maybe you could find the actual source?

[-DLC-]

 

[gizmo2337]

Found the Edinburgh study. "Severity of Omicron variant of concern and vaccine effectiveness against symptomatic disease: national cohort with nested test negative design study in Scotland"
That one is hot off the press today. I didn't even get to read it yet, but it's getting lots of media attention.

https://www.research.ed.ac.uk/en/publications/severity-of-omicron-variant-of-concern-and-vaccine-effectiveness-

[stawns]

1 minute ago, gizmo2337 said:

Found the Edinburgh study. "Severity of Omicron variant of concern and vaccine effectiveness against symptomatic disease: national cohort with nested test negative design study in Scotland"
That one is hot off the press today. I didn't even get to read it yet, but it's getting lots of media attention.

https://www.research.ed.ac.uk/en/publications/severity-of-omicron-variant-of-concern-and-vaccine-effectiveness-

Everyone definitely has all eyes on the UK right now

[StanleyCupOneDay]

12 hours ago, rotiman187 said:

So much for that opening plan. 1 step forward 3 back. 

Welcome to living during the worst pandemic in a century. Fighting this virus is like fighting a war. You constantly have to make moves to keep up with our always evolving enemy. If you do nothing the enemy wins. Does anyone here think that the strategies used at the beginning of a war are exactly the same at the end? What about our opposition? Will it continue doing the same thing from start to finish? Of course not, or at least no one should think that. The enemy learns just as we do as time passes and both sides make adjustments to try to beat the opponent.

That doesn’t mean we somehow get everything right all the time and only COVID suffers setbacks and losses. I don’t think many people realize how fluid a virus is and instead expect every precaution/lockdown/mandate to be effective at all times or else they feel it doesn’t do anything or isn’t worth doing. It’s ridiculous reasoning. If you’re only anticipating making steps forward in a war with a disease as complex and brand new as this then you need to adjust your own expectations as you will always see failure even if there is none to see.

 

The best thing you can do while living through COVID-19 is to recognize the pandemic is always changing like our preventative measures have to combat it, realize it’s not possible to make the right moves to win every battle with the virus and be willing to follow what the properly trained medical experts recommend at all times.