Coronavirus outbreak

[smokes]

1 hour ago, PhillipBlunt said:

How are you doing, smokes?

Well, I'm a little outside Wuhan but my daughter went to visit her grandparents in Wuhan. I made the mistake of letting her visit her grandparents for too long before this ban on traveling inside of Wuhan. I have tried every means possible to try to get her back to me but to no avail. So me and my wife are on one far side of the city and my daughter is on the other side and we are not allowed to get her. The only thing I can do it is watch the news pray the virus does not hit my daughter's area and wait. I'm not really worried about the virus, if it means I can get to my kid I'll take that virus and smile. As for the virus, we can only wait it out and order supplies via mobile app.

[PhillipBlunt]

5 minutes ago, smokes said:

Well, I'm a little outside Wuhan but my daughter went to visit her grandparents in Wuhan. I made the mistake of letting her visit her grandparents for too long before this ban on traveling inside of Wuhan. I have tried every means possible to try to get her back to me but to no avail. So me and my wife are on one far side of the city and my daughter is on the other side and we are not allowed to get her. The only thing I can do it is watch the news pray the virus does not hit my daughter's area and wait. I'm not really worried about the virus, if it means I can get to my kid I'll take that virus and smile. As for the virus, we can only wait it out and order supplies via mobile app.

I truly hope you're able to get her back soon, smokes. I'm sorry for the pain that must be causing you. Take care and may things get better for you.

[Warhippy]

Turns out it WAS in fact China not allowing Canadian residents to leave citing safety issues involving travel and access to airspace and was not necessarily the Canadian government dragging their feet

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/coronavirus-health-canada-china-airlift-1.5449692

 

 

Permanent residents of Canada with children will be allowed to leave the coronavirus-affected region in Wuhan, China on a government-chartered flight, says Foreign Affairs Minister François-Philippe Champagne.

During a news conference Monday in Ottawa, Champagne said the Chinese government has agreed to allow some permanent residents with kids to take part in the airlift. In order to prevent the spread of the virus, however, Beijing won't allow permanent residents without children to leave the quarantine zone.

 

The decision was China's and is consistent with Chinese protocols to allow repatriation of other countries' citizens, Champagne said.

Health Minister Patty Hajdu clarified the rule on CBC News Network's Power & Politics Monday, saying that China will only make an exception to allow non-foreigners to leave if they are the guardian accompanying a child who is a Canadian citizen.

"In that case, China has agreed to allow a permanent resident or a Chinese citizen to travel with that child who is a Canadian," she told host Vassy Kapelos.

Hajdu said China continues to take a hard line on other cases in an effort to contain the disease.

Federal officials are now on the ground in Wuhan to coordinate the evacuation of Canadians trapped in the coronavirus-affected region of the country.

Champagne said there are 280 Canadian passport-holders, and 24 others, who want to board the chartered flight. A second chartered plane has been secured to transport people if it is required, he said.

 

There is still no firm timeline yet for the flight, as Canada is still awaiting final approval from China to enter Wuhan's airspace, which is now closed. Formal identification and flight manifest information is still getting final approval.

"This is a multiple-step process, which takes time," Champagne said.

Staff from the Global Affairs rapid deployment team are already on the ground in Wuhan and in Hanoi, Vietnam, from where the chartered aircraft will leave for Wuhan, he said.

Hajdu said steps will be taken to screen all passengers and segregate them if they begin showing symptoms during the flight. To date, she said, no Canadians in the Wuhan area have reported infection — which would disqualify them from leaving the quarantine zone.

All staff taking part in the airlift will be wearing protective gear.

Canada-China relations

"What is the holdup? Is the delay on evacuation due to the disastrous state of Canada-China relations?" she asked.

That's "not at all" the case, Champagne replied, saying that the process to assess the needs of Canadians in the outbreak zone, charter a plane and get the required authorizations takes time.

"We will be there for Canadians in Wuhan to be repatriated and I will inform Canadians every step of the way on what this government is doing for them," he said.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said the government is doing all it can to help support stranded Canadians.

"We're working hard with Chinese authorities in terms of bringing people home as quickly as we can," he said.

"We understand there are many steps, both health and safety steps, that have to be gone through, but we're looking forward to bringing them home soon."

China, Canada 'in communication'

In a briefing Monday, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying said that China will make arrangements and provide assistance to countries working to repatriate their citizens "following international customary practices and our epidemic control measures." She did not offer specifics on a potential timeframe.

"I understand China and Canada are in communication on this," Hua said, according to a translated transcript of the briefing.

 

 

[Alflives]

2 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

Turns out it WAS in fact China not allowing Canadian residents to leave citing safety issues involving travel and access to airspace and was not necessarily the Canadian government dragging their feet

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/coronavirus-health-canada-china-airlift-1.5449692

 

 

Permanent residents of Canada with children will be allowed to leave the coronavirus-affected region in Wuhan, China on a government-chartered flight, says Foreign Affairs Minister François-Philippe Champagne.

During a news conference Monday in Ottawa, Champagne said the Chinese government has agreed to allow some permanent residents with kids to take part in the airlift. In order to prevent the spread of the virus, however, Beijing won't allow permanent residents without children to leave the quarantine zone.

 

The decision was China's and is consistent with Chinese protocols to allow repatriation of other countries' citizens, Champagne said.

Health Minister Patty Hajdu clarified the rule on CBC News Network's Power & Politics Monday, saying that China will only make an exception to allow non-foreigners to leave if they are the guardian accompanying a child who is a Canadian citizen.

"In that case, China has agreed to allow a permanent resident or a Chinese citizen to travel with that child who is a Canadian," she told host Vassy Kapelos.

Hajdu said China continues to take a hard line on other cases in an effort to contain the disease.

Federal officials are now on the ground in Wuhan to coordinate the evacuation of Canadians trapped in the coronavirus-affected region of the country.

Champagne said there are 280 Canadian passport-holders, and 24 others, who want to board the chartered flight. A second chartered plane has been secured to transport people if it is required, he said.

 

There is still no firm timeline yet for the flight, as Canada is still awaiting final approval from China to enter Wuhan's airspace, which is now closed. Formal identification and flight manifest information is still getting final approval.

"This is a multiple-step process, which takes time," Champagne said.

Staff from the Global Affairs rapid deployment team are already on the ground in Wuhan and in Hanoi, Vietnam, from where the chartered aircraft will leave for Wuhan, he said.

Hajdu said steps will be taken to screen all passengers and segregate them if they begin showing symptoms during the flight. To date, she said, no Canadians in the Wuhan area have reported infection — which would disqualify them from leaving the quarantine zone.

All staff taking part in the airlift will be wearing protective gear.

Canada-China relations

"What is the holdup? Is the delay on evacuation due to the disastrous state of Canada-China relations?" she asked.

That's "not at all" the case, Champagne replied, saying that the process to assess the needs of Canadians in the outbreak zone, charter a plane and get the required authorizations takes time.

"We will be there for Canadians in Wuhan to be repatriated and I will inform Canadians every step of the way on what this government is doing for them," he said.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said the government is doing all it can to help support stranded Canadians.

"We're working hard with Chinese authorities in terms of bringing people home as quickly as we can," he said.

"We understand there are many steps, both health and safety steps, that have to be gone through, but we're looking forward to bringing them home soon."

China, Canada 'in communication'

In a briefing Monday, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying said that China will make arrangements and provide assistance to countries working to repatriate their citizens "following international customary practices and our epidemic control measures." She did not offer specifics on a potential timeframe.

"I understand China and Canada are in communication on this," Hua said, according to a translated transcript of the briefing.

 

 

Why aren’t we being more cautious?  

[BPA]

2 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Why aren’t we being more cautious?  

We are.

 

They will be brought to Trenton ON where they will stay at the military base there for a period of 14 days.

 

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/coronavirus-epidemic-nearly-300-returning-canadians-will-be-quarantined-at-trenton-heres-how-that-will-work/ar-BBZC15I?li=AA521o&ocid=ientp

 

Coronavirus epidemic: Nearly 300 returning Canadians will be quarantined at Trenton. Here's how that will work

 

Edited February 3, 2020 by BPA

[nuckin_futz]

[Alflives]

1 minute ago, nuckin_futz said:

Don’t trust China govt. multiply their number by 10.  They built a brand new hospital in 10 days just to house the sick in that one area.  That tells me this is super serious, and we (o er here) shouldn’t be letting anyone from ?China into Canada.  

[-DLC-]

1 hour ago, BPA said:

We are.

 

They will be brought to Trenton ON where they will stay at the military base there for a period of 14 days.

 

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/coronavirus-epidemic-nearly-300-returning-canadians-will-be-quarantined-at-trenton-heres-how-that-will-work/ar-BBZC15I?li=AA521o&ocid=ientp

 

Coronavirus epidemic: Nearly 300 returning Canadians will be quarantined at Trenton. Here's how that will work

 

Not well enough.

 

"If they show signs" isn't good enough....what's the point of quarantining them in Ontario if they let them off the plane in Vancouver first??  Makes no sense at all.   Some may not show signs but it doesn't mean they won't at some point and a better safe than sorry approach seems the only responsible thing to do.  Mind boggling to consider anything BUT quarantining everyone on board as part of the process if they're destined for...quarantine?

 

 

[Alflives]

38 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said:

Not well enough.

 

"If they show signs" isn't good enough....what's the point of quarantining them in Ontario if they let them off the plane in Vancouver first??  Makes no sense at all.   Some may not show signs but it doesn't mean they won't at some point and a better safe than sorry approach seems the only responsible thing to do.  Mind boggling to consider anything BUT quarantining everyone on board as part of the process if they're destined for...quarantine?

 

 

And what about the flight crew, and all those who work with the plane?  The virus is airborne!  It’s all over that plane’s insides.  The flight crew is breathing the same air as the passenger side too.  

How about our health minister welcomes each of those passengers with a kiss on the forehead?  

[Alflives]

41 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said:

Not well enough.

 

"If they show signs" isn't good enough....what's the point of quarantining them in Ontario if they let them off the plane in Vancouver first??  Makes no sense at all.   Some may not show signs but it doesn't mean they won't at some point and a better safe than sorry approach seems the only responsible thing to do.  Mind boggling to consider anything BUT quarantining everyone on board as part of the process if they're destined for...quarantine?

 

 

Seriously Deb.  This virus kills 1:100 it infects.  Would you go to work on a day you knew you had 1/100 chance of dying? Of course not.  People here have kids.  WE naturally want to protect them.  

[CBH1926]

Gas mask-wearing passenger removed from American Airlines flight amid coronavirus panic

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-gas-mask-passenger-removed-american-airlines-flight-coronavirus-20200201-nsbojmpq2vdp3aim3ld7eqwmde-story.html

[BPA]

This reminds me of the paranoia when SARS came out.  Hysteria in the West but largely contained in China. 

 

I wasn't  worried then, not worried now.

[-DLC-]

Not really "hysteria".  I mean, it's good to have discussions, be proactive and lean toward doing things to prevent this if possible.

 

I have a father who's survived cancer but has a compromised immune system....he means everything to me so of course it's a concern.  And if people are en route to quarantine it only makes sense that the entire journey is part of that...not just the end destination. 

[Russ]

2 hours ago, debluvscanucks said:

Not well enough.

 

"If they show signs" isn't good enough....what's the point of quarantining them in Ontario if they let them off the plane in Vancouver first??  Makes no sense at all.   Some may not show signs but it doesn't mean they won't at some point and a better safe than sorry approach seems the only responsible thing to do.  Mind boggling to consider anything BUT quarantining everyone on board as part of the process if they're destined for...quarantine?

 

 

I assume they won't let them off the plane.  It'll basically be a touchdown, fuel and back in the air.  As much as the government buggers up time after time always I can't see them being dumb enough to let anyone actually off the plane because that would be a HUGE uproar and not good at all.  

[Kakanucks]

After Philippines, another death outside of Mainland China.

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3048839/coronavirus-hong-kong-confirms-first-death-39

 

Yet the damn HK government still wouldn’t close the border, and wouldn’t listen to the plea of medical people in HK.

[MoneypuckOverlord]

16 minutes ago, Kakanucks said:

After Philippines, another death outside of Mainland China.

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3048839/coronavirus-hong-kong-confirms-first-death-39

 

Yet the damn HK government still wouldn’t close the border, and wouldn’t listen to the plea of medical people in HK.

HK Government wants to close it actually, Chinese government not allowing it.  

[BPA]

3 hours ago, debluvscanucks said:

Not well enough.

 

"If they show signs" isn't good enough....what's the point of quarantining them in Ontario if they let them off the plane in Vancouver first??  Makes no sense at all.   Some may not show signs but it doesn't mean they won't at some point and a better safe than sorry approach seems the only responsible thing to do.  Mind boggling to consider anything BUT quarantining everyone on board as part of the process if they're destined for...quarantine?

 

 

Sorry to burst your bubble but there have been hundreds/thousands of flight passengers from China since early January coming into Canada. 

 

I believe you had a friend who had a friend that came back from Wuhan.  How is that person doing? Or has he/she been quarantined just because he/she came back from China?

Edited February 4, 2020 by BPA

[-DLC-]

2 hours ago, BPA said:

Sorry to burst your bubble but there have been hundreds/thousands of flight passengers from China since early January coming into Canada. 

 

I believe you had a friend who had a friend that came back from Wuhan.  How is that person doing? Or has he/she been quarantined just because he/she came back from China?

You totally missed the point, but that's ok.

[BPA]

27 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said:

You totally missed the point, but that's ok.

Then please educate me.  What is the point?

[-DLC-]

On 1/28/2020 at 8:44 PM, BPA said:

I think that is the real fear.  That it can be spread so quickly and is virtually unnoticeable up to 2 weeks.

Here....I'll use your words.

 

So to base it on people with "symptoms" doesn't seem to quite cover it.

 

The point is that these people who have been evacuated out are headed for quarantine for 2 weeks so it makes sense that's supported from the get go.  

 

I didn't decide this plan, the Government did.  So it seems that it's a preventative measure and to breach that by allowing people off the plane (although I may have misread that) would seem kind of counter productive.  To pick and chose based on observations.