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2 minutes ago, DarkIndianRises said:

It’s the unfortunate nature of UFA when a team is bottom feeding and/or trending downwards.    The player has more power and leverage and the team will have to hand out more unfavorable term and money.  
 

If a team is unwilling to do this, then it has to push kids into roles that they may not be ready for (and hence, ruining their development).   
 

The mistake that most media members and HF “Canucks fans” make, is that they believe that signing cheap vets and PTO’s to ideal term and money is akin to shooting fish in a barrell.  It’s not.   
 

As teams improve and assemble a young and promising nucleus of talent, the “power shift” slowly takes place to which UFA’s would be more inclined to sign at discounts and more favorable terms (team perspective) in order to win a cup (think:  Marian Hossa with Chicago).  
 

As it relates to the Canucks, it’s no coincidence whatsoever that all of our bad contracts will come off the books both this summer and next.  It was specifically designed this way because this is when management really saw our window starting.  
 

The only “bad” contract that will still be on the books is Tyler Myers due to the fact that our organizational depth on RD was embarrassingly atrocious.

If a player like Roussell asks for 3 million per, you dont automatically give that to him, no matter how bad the team is. You can very well find another similar player for much cheaper. Its not like we signed players like Pietrangelo and we didnt have a choice. No, we gave top dollars for a bottom 6 player that wasnt even great to begin with. At no point in Roussel's career does he deserve to make 3 million dollar per year. Benning just vastly overpaid for players that are not contributing, that is a big problem. 

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2 minutes ago, DefCon1 said:

Well some experienced coaches have made huge impacts like Queenville. With Rookie coaches, you never know what you have exactly or how they will be coaching in NHL, look at Roy's short NHL coaching stint. Its a safer route to go with an experienced coach this time.

But even a coach of Qunneville's quality has arguably had seasons where his team's played poorly. Look at Florida before this season. Look at the team Quenneville left in Chicago. Then look at a coach like Berube who won the cup his first year.

 

It's why I really question when people talk about rookie vs veteran and I really think it's more about having the right coach at the right time. Torts for example was an experienced coach, but we brought him in and it was a disaster. How do we know that wouldn't happen again with a veteran coach? (or even a rookie coach?)

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1 hour ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

Florida's GM at the time was a moron letting Gallant go.

However, when Vegas turfs him at the first chance they get. Sorry guys, that's a red flag. 

It's not like he was doing horrible either.  A four game losing streak and you fire the coach? And he was 5 games above .500? 

Sorry, something's wrong there. And If I was the GM I'd do my due diligence before hiring him. 

I'd take a risk and hire Scott Niedermayer or Willie Mitchell, because at least they can teach and preach defence and positioning. 

 

 

Scott and Willie sound like good assistant coaches, we don't need another rookie coach. Go with Gallant and add a defensive specialist like Scott or Willie as Gallants assistant

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1 minute ago, Sbriggs said:

sorry not a chance, smart like dump truck

That dump truck made the Canucks one of the best in the league two years in a row and brought us to game 7 of a cup final. If he is smart as a dump truck then what does that make Benning? Benning wishes to build a team that can go to cup finals and be president trophy winners back to back. 

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Just now, DefCon1 said:

That dump truck made the Canucks one of the best in the league two years in a row and brought us to game 7 of a cup final. If he is smart as a dump truck then what does that make Benning? Benning wishes to build a team that can go to cup finals and be president trophy winners back to back. 

I don't want to get into a debate about Gillis, we had most of our core here, he just added fillers. Not a Gillis fan

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3 minutes ago, The Lock said:

But even a coach of Qunneville's quality has arguably had seasons where his team's played poorly. Look at Florida before this season. Look at the team Quenneville left in Chicago. Then look at a coach like Berube who won the cup his first year.

 

It's why I really question when people talk about rookie vs veteran and I really think it's more about having the right coach at the right time. Torts for example was an experienced coach, but we brought him in and it was a disaster. How do we know that wouldn't happen again with a veteran coach? (or even a rookie coach?)

Well do you really think all rookie coaches are like Berube? Plus he kind of rode hot Bennington to the cup with a roster that was talented. We tries our luck twice with rookie coaches, now its not the time to experiment with another rookie coach.

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Give me Gallant as Head Coach with Igor Larionov as assistant.

 

Hextall as GM. Keep Benning but demote him but entice him to stay with the organization by giving him full authority over scouting and drafting.

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2 hours ago, DefCon1 said:

well, I will say if these blow out losses keep piling up, they will have no choice but to change the coach just for the sake of players. You dont want to destroy the confidence of young players by keeping the status quo. 

I think at this point this is going to be neccesary. We have very young players who cannot go through a complete season like this. We are at a breaking point and there is a need to intervene soner rather then later.

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7 minutes ago, DefCon1 said:

Well do you really think all rookie coaches are like Berube? Plus he kind of rode hot Bennington to the cup with a roster that was talented. We tries our luck twice with rookie coaches, now its not the time to experiment with another rookie coach.

No. I don't think all rookie coaches are like Berube, but I also don't think all veteran coaches are the answer either. This is my point. Rookie or veteran it doesn't matter. We can give excuses for even Green or WD if we wanted and we'd be right: we had a bad team for a few years. So do we say "Berube rode Bennington" while also saying "Green isn't playing Demko right"? Where do we draw the line in our claims to what's true and what's not? Is it only when it satisfies what we want to say? ;)

 

I just think it's more about the right coach at the right time. I don't think it's about rookie vs veteran at that point. At the very least, history's kind of shown it's the team in front that has the biggest impact and really think that what you need is a person who will motivate them. There is nothing in my last sentence that claims "rookie" or "veteran".

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1 hour ago, Trebreh said:

Green was a good coach for this team when we we're going through the growing pains of the rebuild inserting youth into the lineup. But now that our club looks ready to take the next step, I don't think he is the right coach to take group to the next level. 

 

the thing that made AV successful here was he was he was able to coach a stingy defensive system then transitioned to a more offensive system when the guys matured. 

 

I'm seeing Petey kinda  plateauing this season, same with Hughes. I don't know if coaching has anything to do with that but Petey has lost some of his killer instinct. Rookie Petey was an offensive threat whenever he stepped on the ice, but now he's more concerned about his defence than being a finisher these days. 

 

We've got some of the best young players in the league but I don't think their skills are being utilized properly with Green's system. 

 

Look at Schmidt for example, the Schmidt in Vegas was a totally different defenceman than the one playing under Green. 

 

 

 

This has been a concern for me for awhile as well. Our players keep coming here with great attributes and then they become something else when they get here, why is that? Virt was a great up and coming player and he is nothing but a shell of himself now. Roussel was an agitator who played on the edge, what does he do now? Like you said about Schmidt, what is up with him?

Gudette is not growing, OJ is already benched and somehow Lui Ericksson has made his way back on the team, what!!?

We have gone as far as we can with this inexperienced NHL coach, time for an upgrade. 

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22 minutes ago, Sbriggs said:

Agree, but Benning needs to bring in some management help, like someone to help with trades and contracts

I disagree.

 

Trades such as Leivo, Pearson, Toffoli, Miller, and Motte were huge wins for us.     

 

As far as contracts go, we will be able to offer more favourable term and money once this team pushes closer to its window (i.e. The Holtby signing).   

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Yes I would say TG is done and if we don’t salvage this season by a playoff performance so is JB.

 

I loved Crow and would love Burkie back here. Retreads but definitely good at their jobs

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1 hour ago, Trebreh said:

I voted for Gillis in the polls too.. lol I wonder if the Aquailinis would welcome him back to fix the cap or has that bridge been burnt? 

 

I was a Gillis hater lol but one thing you couldn't deny was his teams were tough to play against. 

 

Alberts, Torres, Lappy, Rome, Ballard, Hamhuis etc. I wish we had half of the toughness the 2011 team had. :(

We have toughness on the team ; Myers, Edler, Mac, Rouss, Beagle,Jake etc. but I don't think that is part of the coaches plan. Our less aggressive, talented players get the lions share of ice time. 

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1 minute ago, EdgarM said:

We have toughness on the team ; Myers, Edler, Mac, Rouss, Beagle,Jake etc. but I don't think that is part of the coaches plan. Our less aggressive, talented players get the lions share of ice time. 

Is it bad that when I think "toughness" I think "take penalties" and "get scored on"? lol

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26 minutes ago, DefCon1 said:

Well do you really think all rookie coaches are like Berube? Plus he kind of rode hot Bennington to the cup with a roster that was talented. We tries our luck twice with rookie coaches, now its not the time to experiment with another rookie coach.

That's not exactly fair. Berube turned the season around from a total dump that St. Louis had. His impact on the team was undeniable.

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41 minutes ago, EdgarM said:

We have toughness on the team ; Myers, Edler, Mac, Rouss, Beagle,Jake etc. but I don't think that is part of the coaches plan. Our less aggressive, talented players get the lions share of ice time. 

Edler, Myers, Roussel and Jake are our tough players? That is the big problem because they are rarely hitting much and Myers takes bad penalties. Another problem is these players have played inconsistent and couple of them have been getting scratched.

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in terms of coaching changes, i think it will depend on what happens in the next 2 weeks - they have HOME games against Calgary, Wpg and Edmonton - the remaining teams they are battling against - lose most or all - the season is probably done by that point. Any replacement will probably be internal (farm etc) until the seasons end - and they will evaluate again.

 

I hope for the team's sake, to at least put out a darn effort in the next 2 weeks - enough for them to look at themselves and say they did their very best - this constant bickering on the ice is pointless - you know, opponents are kind of smiling right now - even after Matthew's first goal last night, looked like he was kind of bored and was wondering where's the challenge. The great Pat Quinn would have thrown the Gatorade barrel across the room after the game and not allow this nonsense to continue.

 

 

 

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