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Tories Motion to Declare China's Action Against Uighurs as Genocide Passes 266-0, 72 Abstained (Cowards)


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6 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said:

Yes. Her dad's name is Terry and he's a friend from beer league hockey.

 

During Terry's time here, there was an ongoing debate in the local hockey community about whether he was a worse goalie, or referee. The consensus was, you'd rather have him as a ref, because then he'd be lousy for both teams equally...

 

Great guy, though. As is his brother Steve, who AFAIK, is still a rink rat at the arena here. Never met Bernice herself, but I remember her being the big star of the local Dance Academy when my daughter was just starting out....

She competed for the Miss HK title - and won, if I recall correctly.  Not sure whether or not she went for the Miss Chinese International - or if that competition even existed back then.  Gave up her studies here to pursue her career in HK, but by all reports she self-identified as coming from Prince Rupert instead of Vancouver.  That's why I asked if it was her (knowing your location and affinity to all things North Coast).  :lol:

 

EDIT: she didn't compete for Miss HK, but she did compete for Miss Chinese International, and won that one (her ticket to enter was by winning the Miss Chinese Vancouver competition).  Source - wiki.

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1 minute ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said:

She competed for the Miss HK title - and won, if I recall correctly.  Not sure whether or not she went for the Miss Chinese International - or if that competition even existed back then.  Gave up her studies here to pursue her career in HK, but by all reports she self-identified as coming from Prince Rupert instead of Vancouver.  That's why I asked if it was her (knowing your location and affinity to all things North Coast).  :lol:

Yeah, it even says Prince Rupert on her Wiki page.

 

I did notice however, that Terry (or her mom, for that matter) isn't mentioned at all. She probably doesn't want to be associated with the worst ever goaltender in a town not noted for good goaltenders...:lol:

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1 hour ago, Dazzle said:

I don't think using the word 'genocide' is helpful or entirely accurate. What China is doing to Uighurs is not exactly genocide by the very definitions of the word, but definitely violations of human rights. They're not the same thing.

China absolutely needs to be held accountable though. There are lots of reports of mass rapes and other unspeakable things going on in their concentration camps.

What's happening is in fact genocide by the UN Genocide Convention's definition of the word.

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13 minutes ago, GoCanucks16 said:

What's happening is in fact genocide by the UN Genocide Convention's definition of the word.

The UN says a lot of things. There are human rights things going on around the world. Genocide, I feel, is going to be overused word for anything going on with human rights violations.

 

The Armenians suffered genocide, for example. Yet that in itself is not recognized by Turkey for various reasons.

 

Calling everything a genocide will distort the significance of the word. But like I said in a previous post, China is heading in that direction.

 

It should be noted that the Trump administration called it a genocide already. Politically convenient to do so. Yet nothing was said about Saudi Arabia/Yemen.

 

In fact, Trump supports Saudi Arabia. My point being is that genocide is often used as a catch all word. The fact that Trump did not denounce UAE for genocide shows how it is used as a political tool, rather than accurately labelling a situation. This is what we're seeing here in Canada. Political posturing.

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3 hours ago, Warhippy said:

Imagine...selling some of the largest most vital energy reserves in Canada to China.  Signing a trade agreement with one of the most lopsided FIPAs in the known world.  All to a nation with a history of horrific egregious human rights violations while in power

 

Then using the subjugation of an entire race/religion of people under said nations rule during a ridiculous vote to score political talking points in hoping that the party holding power in a minority government somehow votes against it...

Its almost like they want us to forget about Harper. 

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50 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

Its almost like they want us to forget about Harper. 

At his point in time Harper is gone long enough to stop whinging about him in my opinion.

 

BUt it's still his party because they're all still cabinet ministers from his rule vying for control now.  

 

Need a complete and utter reset

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So I have 2 thoughts on this:

 

1) Good. What China's doing to the Uighurs needs attention and they shouldn't be able to get away with it.

 

2) Would the Conservatives have made the motion if they were in power or was this simply a stunt to put the Liberals in an awkward spot?

 

Don't get me wrong. It's a good motion in my opinion, but I used to vote for the Conservatives and I've been swaying farther and farther away from them.

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Just now, The Lock said:

So I have 2 thoughts on this:

 

1) Good. What China's doing to the Uighurs needs attention and they shouldn't be able to get away with it.

 

2) Would the Conservatives have made the motion if they were in power or was this simply a stunt to put the Liberals in an awkward spot?

 

Don't get me wrong. It's a good motion in my opinion, but I used to vote for the Conservatives and I've been swaying farther and farther away from them.

Only two? Quelle surprise....B)

 

Seriously, I agree on both.

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59 minutes ago, Dazzle said:

The UN says a lot of things. There are human rights things going on around the world. Genocide, I feel, is going to be overused word for anything going on with human rights violations.

 

The Armenians suffered genocide, for example. Yet that in itself is not recognized by Turkey for various reasons.

 

Calling everything a genocide will distort the significance of the word. But like I said in a previous post, China is heading in that direction.

 

It should be noted that the Trump administration called it a genocide already. Politically convenient to do so. Yet nothing was said about Saudi Arabia/Yemen.

 

In fact, Trump supports Saudi Arabia. My point being is that genocide is often used as a catch all word. The fact that Trump did not denounce UAE for genocide shows how it is used as a political tool, rather than accurately labelling a situation. This is what we're seeing here in Canada. Political posturing.

An ethic group is being forcibly detained en masse with some members of it being involuntarily sterilized. How is genocide not an accurate label?

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21 minutes ago, GoCanucks16 said:

An ethic group is being forcibly detained en masse with some members of it being involuntarily sterilized. How is genocide not an accurate label?

Because genocide is always brought up whenever it's convenient, and not used when it isn't. Example: US/SaudiArabia on Yemen. At what point does genocide mean anything? It seems to be used whenever you want to cast outrage at a particular group.

 

Genocide can also be used to name anything and everything under the sun. Where are we drawing the lines on what is genocide and what isn't genocide? According to the UN standards, Yemenis are being targeted/treated in the same way as Ugihurs. After doing some research: there isn't mass sterilization, yet there are mass rapes/murders on civilians. I'm sure Yemeni rebels probably engaged in crimes against humanity too.

 

Perhaps my position should be revised to: yes, genocide is happening. Now what? What is the difference with what's happening with Yemenis vs Ugihurs?

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So, here is my first statement

I have no problem with Muslim's

It is not my religion, but there are a lot of not my religion's out there

 

So, here is my question

 

Would you vote to allow Canada to let all Uighurs to immigrate to Canada?

I am not sure how many there are, but we have plenty of land and water

and alot more money than them, so I am sure, we could afford it,

with a little down turn in our economy, but we would rebound eventually

 

So would you vote yes?

 

Let's be honest here! 

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Just now, janisahockeynut said:

So, here is my first statement

I have no problem with Muslim's

It is not my religion, but there are a lot of not my religion's out there

 

So, here is my question

 

Would you vote to allow Canada to let all Uighurs to immigrate to Canada?

I am not sure how many there are, but we have plenty of land and water

and alot more money than them, so I am sure, we could afford it,

with a little down turn in our economy, but we would rebound eventually

 

So would you vote yes?

 

Let's be honest here! 

I feel that if we really wanted to make a stand as United Nations we should have a lot of these 1st World countries(USA/Canada/UK/etc) offer to take them in and let them decide for themselves where they want to settle down and live freely.
 

It would really grind the Chinese government’s gears knowing that the lot of us are standing against their tyranny. 
 

Unite together and grant them the right of freedom of choice. 

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5 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said:

So, here is my first statement

I have no problem with Muslim's

It is not my religion, but there are a lot of not my religion's out there

 

So, here is my question

 

Would you vote to allow Canada to let all Uighurs to immigrate to Canada?

I am not sure how many there are, but we have plenty of land and water

and alot more money than them, so I am sure, we could afford it,

with a little down turn in our economy, but we would rebound eventually

 

So would you vote yes?

 

Let's be honest here! 

I would have zero issues letting them in. Canada needs to be a leader as a human rights country. That being said, there will surely be objections (some of them rightfully so) about what we'll do with these refugees, and what about the indigenous people, as well as other marginalized people?

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22 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said:

Those old analog synths are just ridiculous...I want a Motif or a Prophet or something like that....

It's too bad they're so expensive. I write music and have the Arturia bundle at least ("softsynth" simulations of those old hardware synths) so until I have the money, I at least have something.

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