CanucksJay Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 37 minutes ago, Wayne Glensky said: For gods sake can JB NOT re sign Sutter. Nice enough guy but he is dead weight at this point. Unless he takes a super low cap hit. He's still an NHL player and better than most of our prospects Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 5 minutes ago, Alain Vigneault said: My dream was to watch a competitive Vancouver Canucks hockey team after being sold on the retool 7 years ago. Dreams change, unfortunately. Hope this helps. It would've been nice of management if they told us 7 years ago: "It's going to be rough and painful, but we have a plan that will get us back to the glory days (or VAN's version of glory days) within 10 years. We appreciate your support through this rebuild." If they were just honest and up front - like Shanahan in TOR (sorry), then fine, we can wait. But it's been smoke and mirrors with giving us a taste of those '94 jerseys again, the Heritage uniforms, the cameos from some of the '94 players, putting someone in the RoH or retiring the Sedins jerseys etc. Courtnall is talking with ownership about who knows what, and now the Sedins. I don't think they know what the heck they're doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattJVD Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 Just now, VegasCanuck said: I'd be okay with Edler getting 2.5, but that said, I would want it to be a bonus laden contract that gets him there, not just a flat 2.5 million. Sutter, I would probably happily take back on a 1 year deal for 1.75 million, again with some bonuses that bring him to that. Sutter is inelligible for bonuses. Only ELCs and 35+ contracts can have performance bonuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 1 minute ago, bree2 said: too much, 1 yr @ 1million no more As I said in another post, I'd be fine with Edler at 2.5, but it has to be with bonuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Glensky Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 Just now, CanucksJay said: Unless he takes a super low cap hit. He's still an NHL player and better than most of our prospects You can go and cheaper through FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, MattJVD said: Sutter is inelligible for bonuses. Only ELCs and 35+ contracts can have performance bonuses. Well, 1.5 million then with no trade protection. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, CanucksJay said: Unless he takes a super low cap hit. He's still an NHL player and better than most of our prospects I'd have no issues with Sutter back at 3C. When healthy he's one of the better 200 ft players on the roster. But his caphit needs to reflect the reality of the roster structure. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 Just now, Wayne Glensky said: You can go and cheaper through FA. He is an FA... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 1 minute ago, stawns said: I'd have no issues with Sutter back at 3C. When healthy he's one of the better 200 ft players on the roster. But his caphit needs to reflect the reality of the roster structure. Yup. As long as there is no over payment and the contract term is not long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AV. Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 1 minute ago, NUCKER67 said: It would've been nice of management if they told us 7 years ago: "It's going to be rough and painful, but we have a plan that will get us back to the glory days (or VAN's version of glory days) within 10 years. We appreciate your support through this rebuild." If they were just honest and up front - like Shanahan in TOR (sorry), then fine, we can wait. But it's been smoke and mirrors with giving us a taste of those '94 jerseys again, the Heritage uniforms, the cameos from some of the '94 players, putting someone in the RoH or retiring the Sedins jerseys etc. Courtnall is talking with ownership about who knows what, and now the Sedins. I don't think they know what the heck they're doing. Yes. Any bit of transparency and accountability would have been nice, and would still be appreciated 7 years on. Of course, the mgmt and ownership would rather lie, embellish, excuse, venture into gas-lighting, etc, than do any of that. And can you blame them? Look at some of the posters in here who think this team has done a good job since 2014. They can, and continue, to get away with $&!#ty treatment of its customers. Truly sickening stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Glensky Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, CanucksJay said: He is an FA... Sutter needs to move on. The guy can’t stay healthy for the life of him. Enough is enough man. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bad alice french Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 14 minutes ago, stawns said: I'd have no issues with Sutter back at 3C. When healthy he's one of the better 200 ft players on the roster. But his caphit needs to reflect the reality of the roster structure. When healthy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 Boeser Petterson Hog Miller Pod Pearson Horvat Motte Beagle I think these players (not necessarily the lines) are set for next season. Buy out or trade Roussel Bubble players who are RFA or under contract Lind, Gadj, Graovac, McEwan 2 of these 4 should be able to fill 2 empty spots on bottom 6. We really needed toffoli on that top line lol. What a miss... Is there a bonafide top winger available in the next 2 years via UFA? We'll need to draft D this year so it'll be (not these lines) Schmidt Myers Hughes Rathbone Juolevi Sign Edler and Hamonic That should be our 7 D we carry this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Alain Vigneault said: Yes. Any bit of transparency and accountability would have been nice, and would still be appreciated 7 years on. Of course, the mgmt and ownership would rather lie, embellish, excuse, venture into gas-lighting, etc, than do any of that. And can you blame them? Look at some of the posters in here who think this team has done a good job since 2014. They can, and continue, to get away with $&!#ty treatment of its customers. Truly sickening stuff. They certainly have much better young players than they did 2014, and the future should be bright, but Benning has kind of messed up the cap and overpaid aging veterans to surround and rush in the kids - and he'll sign more. They're still paying Spooner ffs lol Well, I think they're finally done with that now. Benning's boy, I mean his 1st ever Draft pick is an accused sex offender, Ferland is collecting dust, Malhotra lost to TOR, Clark not signed - making our star goalie very unhappy, Tryamkin bolted and ended up chosing Russia over VAN, and then there's Loui 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 19 minutes ago, Wayne Glensky said: Sutter needs to move on. The guy can’t stay healthy for the life of him. Enough is enough man. LOL. Im not advocating to keep him. Just saying he's better than our fringe bottom 6 prospects and if the money is low then it's not so far fetched Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhukini Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 Jim either pulls a rabbit out of his hat or is embarrassed with a full house with alcohol in their system next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 7 minutes ago, CanucksJay said: Boeser Petterson Hog Miller Pod Pearson Horvat Motte Beagle I think these players (not necessarily the lines) are set for next season. Buy out or trade Roussel Bubble players who are RFA or under contract Lind, Gadj, Graovac, McEwan 2 of these 4 should be able to fill 2 empty spots on bottom 6. We really needed toffoli on that top line lol. What a miss... Is there a bonafide top winger available in the next 2 years via UFA? We'll need to draft D this year so it'll be (not these lines) Schmidt Myers Hughes Rathbone Juolevi Sign Edler and Hamonic That should be our 7 D we carry this year There's not enough saving in cap to buy Roussel out, and there's not much trade value on him right now. I would give him a chance to show up next season and be the player that he was in the first year of his contract, before the knee injury. If he can't do it and can't outplay the other kids showing up, send him down to Abbotsford and let him ride out his contract there. The difference between doing that and a buyout is only about 350k. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EternalCanuckFan Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 51 minutes ago, bad alice french said: When healthy... Like some others, I don't mind Sutter being back if I were to look at the team in a vacuum. Sutter can still be a very useful player notwithstanding his frequent injuries. The problem with bringing back Sutter is, as others have pointed out, dollars and term, but for me it's also the fact that the Canucks still have Jay Beagle under contract. Now, if Beagle is actually expected to be out all of next season, then I think that provides more rationale to bring back Sutter but even then, it would need to be at far less than the $4.375M cap hit he had this year. Carl Soderberg, who had a 35-point season last year with the Coyotes in the last year of a $4.7M contract, received a $1M contract this year. Given this management group's history, my guess is that any final number would come in higher than that, but I think that Sutter's next contract should be far closer to Soderberg's than what he has had for the last few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 1 hour ago, bad alice french said: When healthy... absolutely.......huge "if" for sure. I'm just not sure they'll find a better fit for a comparable price Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 1 hour ago, CanucksJay said: Boeser Petterson Hog Miller Pod Pearson Horvat Motte Beagle I think these players (not necessarily the lines) are set for next season. Buy out or trade Roussel Bubble players who are RFA or under contract Lind, Gadj, Graovac, McEwan 2 of these 4 should be able to fill 2 empty spots on bottom 6. We really needed toffoli on that top line lol. What a miss... Is there a bonafide top winger available in the next 2 years via UFA? We'll need to draft D this year so it'll be (not these lines) Schmidt Myers Hughes Rathbone Juolevi Sign Edler and Hamonic That should be our 7 D we carry this year Petey, at this point, isn't a good enough cman to play there consistently. He's a much better winger 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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