Harold Drunken Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, HKSR said: Lol, he did bring Petey, Hughes and Demko. Just the entire young core... maybe give him credit where credit is due, and criticize him for where he messed up? Doesn't need to be so polar. No GM is perfect. I'm not going to give him credit because he hit on 2 first rounders in 7 years of drafting lol. The Canucks have 5 players on this current roster from Benning's drafts. 3 first rounders and 2 second rounders.....in 7 years.. Not a single player after the second round. Giving Benning credit for hitting on two top tier, obvious prospects is being willfully ignorant to all the other whiffs - which greatly outnumber the successes. Couldn't find anything worth mentioning past the first two rounds when proper diligence and scouting really comes into play....but he likely could have had more successes if he hadn't traded so many of them away too. Let's be honest, most GM's no matter how experienced they are can achieve a reasonable track record in the first - it's not that hard. Once you get into the later rounds, different story. It's like striking out on 5 of 7 at bats but saying you're an amazing hitter because one went 400 feet and anyone saying you're average is bad is just "focusing on the negative" Edited December 19, 2022 by Harold Drunken 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold Drunken Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, HKSR said: I'll let others read what you just said and they can draw the conclusion on who's out of touch lol. He's not 100% wrong, other than our core - this franchise doesn't have a high number of desirable assets in terms of prospects and young players. Of course they have some, but they don't have a "surplus" of prospects to dangle in front of teams. I think we can all agree on that, unless we are going to sit here and over value our very unproven prospect pool which continually ranks at the bottom of the league in terms of talent and depth. Edited December 19, 2022 by Harold Drunken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougieL Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 People who don't think this trade was that bad or even like it almost always point to the fact that OEL is still serviceable even if he's not worth his full cap hit. If his contract expired this summer, I doubt people would be complaining very much. The fact that he's here for FOUR more years after this season, until he's 35, is what makes this trade so incredibly stupid. Now I'd argue the way he's playing even right now makes him barely serviceable, but that's a separate issue. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick_theRyper Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 3 hours ago, JohnTavares said: Bo was brought in by Gillis, NOT Jim Benning. We're talking about JB who left this team with nearly no assets (outside of like 3 players), no cap spaec, no prospects and pathetic team. How we still have people defending JB is crazy. This guy single handedly screwed this franchise for 10+ years. He left this team with a huge asset and they didn't move.. with Miller. What he could have brought in would have been a top 4 D (on our team easily) and a extra 1st. We would have taken little to no drop in offense and been way more competitive. So I fail to how we are that irrelevant of a team after JB departure. This new management is just as bad in failing to see we have an abundance of forwards and the same shite D, that where there is blame or where our anger should be. Not GM to GM. They've both done the same dumb shit.now we look to rebuild and sell when we were one good Defensemen from being a decent team ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kacholu Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 Has to go down in history as one of the worst trades ever. Instead of collecting assets for that contract how do you give up 1st and 2nd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 The 2nd might be the killer in this deal, probably going to be a high 2nd in a stacked draft so basically another 1st round pick on any other year. Sure the 9OA is probably equivalent to a 20th overall in most drafts, but this 2nd is going to be equivalent of say a 25OA. Guenther probably ranks 20th or much later even in this 2022 draft. This was obviously a desperation move by JB fuelled by an owner who doesn't want to rebuild and wanted to win-now. Imagine this team without OEL and Garland. Edler would have probably walked or been re-signed to a cheap deal to keep him on our bottom pairing as he has for LA, and with that extra 10 or so million in cap space we could have easily signed a top-4 LD to fill some minutes. This trade was never going to age well. Thing is, if we were winning and made the playoffs, this trade would have looked marvellous. It's not all entirely on OEL and Garland of course. I don't think this current management has the balls or nerve to pull off a trade like this anymore, getting rid of our top picks, but they will make lateral hockey moves to try and stay competitive which is the real shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coryberg Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, DownUndaCanuck said: The 2nd might be the killer in this deal, probably going to be a high 2nd in a stacked draft so basically another 1st round pick on any other year. Sure the 9OA is probably equivalent to a 20th overall in most drafts, but this 2nd is going to be equivalent of say a 25OA. Guenther probably ranks 20th or much later even in this 2022 draft. The second round pick has already been taken. The coyotes used it to aquire Jack McBain from Minnesota (22 years old, 40 games and 9 points so far). The wild selected Hunter Haight with the 47th overall pick in the 2022 draft. Edited December 20, 2022 by coryberg 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougieL Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 3 hours ago, DownUndaCanuck said: The 2nd might be the killer in this deal, probably going to be a high 2nd in a stacked draft so basically another 1st round pick on any other year. Sure the 9OA is probably equivalent to a 20th overall in most drafts, but this 2nd is going to be equivalent of say a 25OA. Guenther probably ranks 20th or much later even in this 2022 draft. This was obviously a desperation move by JB fuelled by an owner who doesn't want to rebuild and wanted to win-now. Imagine this team without OEL and Garland. Edler would have probably walked or been re-signed to a cheap deal to keep him on our bottom pairing as he has for LA, and with that extra 10 or so million in cap space we could have easily signed a top-4 LD to fill some minutes. This trade was never going to age well. Thing is, if we were winning and made the playoffs, this trade would have looked marvellous. It's not all entirely on OEL and Garland of course. I don't think this current management has the balls or nerve to pull off a trade like this anymore, getting rid of our top picks, but they will make lateral hockey moves to try and stay competitive which is the real shame. I'm pretty sure the killer in this deal is the player we got stuck with for 6 years... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Canucks Curse Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: hit harder!!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
250Integra Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 This is looking like one of those EA NHL trades where you put in a bunch of players and high draft picks to boost your trade meter so you can get players of higher trade value. Too bad this was a couple of years ago and now OEL's trade value has tanked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougieL Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 Harman Dayal on the Vancast called this trade a nightmare, and we're not even 2 years into OELs decline. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougieL Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 13 hours ago, canuck73_3 said: This trade is literally too stupid and reckless to just let go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KyGuy123 Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 22 hours ago, DownUndaCanuck said: The 2nd might be the killer in this deal, probably going to be a high 2nd in a stacked draft so basically another 1st round pick on any other year. Sure the 9OA is probably equivalent to a 20th overall in most drafts, but this 2nd is going to be equivalent of say a 25OA. Guenther probably ranks 20th or much later even in this 2022 draft. This was obviously a desperation move by JB fuelled by an owner who doesn't want to rebuild and wanted to win-now. Imagine this team without OEL and Garland. Edler would have probably walked or been re-signed to a cheap deal to keep him on our bottom pairing as he has for LA, and with that extra 10 or so million in cap space we could have easily signed a top-4 LD to fill some minutes. This trade was never going to age well. Thing is, if we were winning and made the playoffs, this trade would have looked marvellous. It's not all entirely on OEL and Garland of course. I don't think this current management has the balls or nerve to pull off a trade like this anymore, getting rid of our top picks, but they will make lateral hockey moves to try and stay competitive which is the real shame. We have our first and second this year. It was last years Second we gave up 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeanSeanBean Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 6 hours ago, dougieL said: Harman Dayal on the Vancast called this trade a nightmare, and we're not even 2 years into OELs decline. It was. If this exact trade would have went down with the other rumored team at time, Boston, it likely would have been a great move. Boston would get off money short term, add a couple good players, and take a couple more stabs at the cup and worry about the ramifications later. But, it was us. The state of this franchise the this trade happened dictated it was a terrible move. It's only got worse since then. It is what it is, and it's a big ol' bummer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ilduce39 Posted December 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 21, 2022 7 hours ago, dougieL said: Harman Dayal on the Vancast called this trade a nightmare, and we're not even 2 years into OELs decline. Take OEL out and replace him with any defenceman in the league. Is the team magically transformed into a playoff-lock contender? Of course not. The issues in the locker room are way deeper than any one player and need to be addressed before you can really tell how anyone has “declined” or whatever. He’s probably just bummed out that he left Arizona for an even bigger mess. 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, ilduce39 said: Take OEL out and replace him with any defenceman in the league. Is the team magically transformed into a playoff-lock contender? Of course not. The issues in the locker room are way deeper than any one player and need to be addressed before you can really tell how anyone has “declined” or whatever. He’s probably just bummed out that he left Arizona for an even bigger mess. Look at Karlsson in SJ right now playing lights out, the Sharks are still dogshit. One player can only do so much the micro analyzing here is hilarious to pathetic at times. Edited December 21, 2022 by canuck73_3 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthonyG Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 On 12/19/2022 at 2:13 PM, JohnTavares said: Bo was brought in by Gillis, NOT Jim Benning. We're talking about JB who left this team with nearly no assets (outside of like 3 players), no cap spaec, no prospects and pathetic team. How we still have people defending JB is crazy. This guy single handedly screwed this franchise for 10+ years. No assets eh?? You mean when JB took over the job there were no assets? cuz from where I’m standing, JT Miller, Boeser, Garland, Demko - all great assets. Far more assets than JB was ever gifted. you do realize we had no prospects 8 years ago and we had an old decrepit team that needed to be replaced. Its impossible to draft a team and build a deep prospect pool at the very same time. Stop your crying about the prospects, you’re ignorant to the fact 8 drafts and like 55-60 picks is not going to build a team and a farm. the man who screwed this franchise for 10+ years is Gillis who went all in. Which is also thanks to our owner. Gillis drafted 1 single NHL player and traded the future away and this is now the pain you are feeling from going all in. The expense of the future and the difficult and long road back to being a contender with a prospect pool. Which… PSSSST… name your top 5 prospects from 2005-2013. Lol Schroeder? Rai? Shinkaruk? Lol lets hear them. Lets here how bad JB f***ed up this gold mine you say he walked into. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 1 hour ago, AnthonyG said: No assets eh?? You mean when JB took over the job there were no assets? cuz from where I’m standing, JT Miller, Boeser, Garland, Demko - all great assets. Far more assets than JB was ever gifted. you do realize we had no prospects 8 years ago and we had an old decrepit team that needed to be replaced. Its impossible to draft a team and build a deep prospect pool at the very same time. Stop your crying about the prospects, you’re ignorant to the fact 8 drafts and like 55-60 picks is not going to build a team and a farm. the man who screwed this franchise for 10+ years is Gillis who went all in. Which is also thanks to our owner. Gillis drafted 1 single NHL player and traded the future away and this is now the pain you are feeling from going all in. The expense of the future and the difficult and long road back to being a contender with a prospect pool. Which… PSSSST… name your top 5 prospects from 2005-2013. Lol Schroeder? Rai? Shinkaruk? Lol lets hear them. Lets here how bad JB f***ed up this gold mine you say he walked into. Benning inherited a pretty bare prospect cupboard, but to say he didn't inherit assets is pretty disingenuous. Benning inherited still valuable and on good contracts players in 32 year olds Bieksa and Hamhuis, Jason Garrison, 29/30 year old Ryan Kesler, a still productive Alex Burrows, 28 year old Jannik Hansen, a 0.5ppg Chris Higgins, and of course a young Chris Tanev, still fairly young Edler, and the Sedins among others. All of those players had value to contenders. The only ones that Benning got good value out of were Kesler and a 2nd for Garrison (which he then stupidly flipped for Linden Vey). Really the biggest problem was that rather than actually collecting assets Benning decided that he would be better off trying to get other teams struggling/not quite good enough for their team's prospects instead to "expedite the rebuild". 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awalk Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 2 hours ago, canuck73_3 said: Look at Karlsson in SJ right now playing lights out, the Sharks are still dogshit. One player can only do so much the micro analyzing here is hilarious to pathetic at times. I just read a comment from you in another thread about not gate keeping, and yet here you are calling people pathetic for wanting to discuss what many of us think was one of the worst trades in Canucks history? Is that not what a discussion forum is for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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