Canucks requiring covid vaccination for staff and fans

[EOTM]

42 minutes ago, morgo said:

I'm finished with this thread.  Enjoy your authoritarianism .

You people make me glad the Canucks have zero cups.  Adios!

And this ladies and gentlemen is the person pissing and moaning about everyone calling them names but for sure doesn't have a victim complex.

[Dumb Nuck]

44 minutes ago, Edge_Case said:

But it can be simple - get vaxxed (like you and me) wear a mask (like me) and drink whisky like ...well all of my Scottish uncles.

 

Cheers!

I’m a beer guy but I hate stout, if everyone was like you there’d be a whiskey shortage and 

prices would be insane so be glad people think differently.

[VegasCanuck]

All NHL games should require vaccination for attendance. It will help restore consumer confidence.

 

My wife is immunocompromised, we call stores before we go, and ask if their staff are vaccinated, before we will go there.

[VegasCanuck]

On 8/12/2021 at 6:10 AM, iinatcc said:

You probably aren't going to prevent Covid from spreading fully ... ever. The point of vaccination is to mitigate the spreading and also preventing hospitalization even if you are infected 

Agreed, this is a 10 year + problem, we will be dealing with vaccination resistant variants before long.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, coho8888 said:

Oh I wouldn’t be surprised either.  But the plaintiffs better hope they get an anti-vaxxer, anti-masking COVID denier as a judge.

Not sure why anyone that doesn't support vaccine passports gets labeled as an anti-vaxxer and anti-masker and a COVID denier.  

 

 

[VegasCanuck]

I'm curious as well, for people hesitant to get vaccinated, where are you seeing information that is convincing you, not to trust the vaccines. I ask because, I've been building stuff online, since back in the 90's, so I know how to disassemble a website.

 

So far, everything that has been sent to me, have been veiled marketing sites or linked back to lobbying sites and organizations. Mostly sites on domains that have l been registered within the last 500 days, and the links from them, all go to other sites, hosted on the same server. Most of them are built around breadcrumb marketing programs designed to push people in a strategic direction, for everything up to and including sales of alternative treatments through to manipulation of stock prices.

 

So, just curious, what people are seeing.

[coho8888]

Just now, VancouverHabitant said:

Not sure why anyone that doesn't support vaccine passports gets labeled as an anti-vaxxer and anti-masker and a COVID denier.  

 

 

not saying they are.  Just trying to make light of the fact that the courts will probably not rule in favour of those Challenging it based purely on violation of rights and freedoms.  Under WorkSafe regulations and Guidelines, the employer must ensure that reasonable steps are taken to make the work environment of the employees safe.  And this is the kicker.  Its not necessarily whether a worker is actually safer or not, its also whether the worker(s) feel safe.  I have a buddy that works as a manager for WorkSafe and these court challenges have very little chance of succeeding according to him.  When the PHO was asked (re: court challenges) during her announcement about the imposition of mandatory vaccines for workers in LTC, she stated that legal counsel was consulted on this matter and she was confident that there would be no legal issues.  

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, VegasCanuck said:

I'm curious as well, for people hesitant to get vaccinated, where are you seeing information that is convincing you, not to trust the vaccines. I ask because, I've been building stuff online, since back in the 90's, so I know how to disassemble a website.

 

So far, everything that has been sent to me, have been veiled marketing sites or linked back to lobbying sites and organizations. Mostly sites on domains that have l been registered within the last 500 days, and the links from them, all go to other sites, hosted on the same server. Most of them are built around breadcrumb marketing programs designed to push people in a strategic direction, for everything up to and including sales of alternative treatments through to manipulation of stock prices.

 

So, just curious, what people are seeing.

It's usually information that is not very credible, and is then retold by word of mouth.  

There's also new age versions of Alex Jones on YouTube.  I really don't care to spend much time looking into any of that, I barely have enough patience to look at the traffic in Google Maps before I leave my house. 

[RU SERIOUS]

2 hours ago, -DLC- said:

They sell out nearly every game...I'd say they're doing a good job.  There is a diverse crowd, all ages and ethnicities from what I've seen.  The only REAL issue is keeping tickets for Canuck fans and not reselling to Leaf fans (etc.).  It's horrible when we're outnumbered in our own rink.  

 

Lions games should have stayed at Empire Stadium....BC Place is too big, cold and it just doesn't work well for games.  When they had the temporary switch back to Empire, it was awesome.  CFL competes with the NFL and it's a bit of a wash trying to.  NHL doesn't have that issue.

i know,that is so embarressing, but on the flip side when the canucks beat TO or MTL when they're in town, there's nothing better than watching their homeys squirm in their seats with their jerseys on.  Then we get the last laugh and in Montreal's case get to sing....na nan na naaaaa, na na nanaaa, hey, hey hey gooooood bye !     That is the ultimate pain for a habs fan!     So, there's two sides to that.

 

Oh yea, and you are so right about the lions.  I loved empire back in the day and loved it a few years ago when they went there during the BC Place construction.    Such a great venue and i'd definately go to more games if they were there.

[Jaimito]

2 hours ago, Dumb Nuck said:

Define reasonable risk, death rate of the flu is about .06% and you can go anywhere you like even when sick, in fact most employers expect you to.

 

Covid, 1.6% (for BC all time).

 

What is the risk if for someone dying from covid that’s vaxxed but exposed to someone unvaxxed? Has to be a lower number.

 

What if a new virus comes out that’s .5%, .4%? Where is the threshold?

Case fatality rate isn't the only thing that matters when you are deciding what public health measures are needed. SARS in 2003 was 10%. MERS up to 30%.   Neither were as transmissable as COVID-19.  Ebola is 50-80%, but it's not respiratory and certainly doesn't transmit asymptomatically like SARS-CoV-2 (the virus that causes Covid-19).  Seasonal flu is less transmissable than Covid-19, and also we have vaccine, anti virals, and good pre existing immunity among the entire human population vs flu. 

 

In a severe flu season, you will never overwhelm a hospital system in developed countries.  So even with 40-60,000 deaths a year in US, no ICU is flooded because of the factors I mentioned above, and also they don't all come in within weeks of each other. 

 

In contrast, in Mar-May 2020, my hospital in NYC had over 2000 admitted at any one time, we had to convert lecture halls and conference rooms into Covid wards.  All elective procedures, surgeries, tests were canceled. Our morgue was overfilled.  We needed refrigerated trucks outside to hold the bodies. Hospitals ran out of PPE. One of our resident doctor was handed a Yankees rain poncho as a PPE, I kid you not.  We lost over 20 staff to the virus.  Rest of NYC had it just as bad or worse.  Hospital tents in Central Park, naval hospital ship docked at the pier.  

 

That is what a pandemic pathogen looks like. No government can stand by and do nothing. Trump tried to do nothing as much as possible, and over 600,000 Americans died in about a little over a year, more than all the US war casualties in the 20th century. 

 

Now with effective covid vaccines, if a society can reach high enough vaccination rates like 80-90%, a surge will not overwhelm a hospital system. Most of covid is treated as a outpatient, at home. Only the most severe get admitted.  What that means is that if you ever need an ICU for any medical problems, the hospital is sufficiently staffed to help you. Cancer, stroke, heart attack, trauma etc.  Then we will not need to shut down for Covid this fall or next winter.  Some new antivirals are in phase 3 trials, and that will help.  Eventually covid will be more like the seasonal flu for countries that are well vaccinated. 

Edited August 16, 2021 by Jaimito

[jovocop55]

Waiting for canucks to send out email about this and wonder what option they give to season ticket holders.   I’m sure some will opt out (either not vaccinated or not comfortable going to games at this time).   I still don’t see canucks having 100% capacity 

[RU SERIOUS]

1 hour ago, jovocop55 said:

Waiting for canucks to send out email about this and wonder what option they give to season ticket holders.   I’m sure some will opt out (either not vaccinated or not comfortable going to games at this time).   I still don’t see canucks having 100% capacity 

Absolutely agree.  With the 4th wave doubling numbers every week to 10days, I would not be surprised to see some form of decree from Dr. Bonny limiting live audience sizes. So unfortunately, it has come to this. This all lies at the feet of the Anti vax creatures. So if the Canucks have any choice they should be the first ones to be banned. No one wants to be around those selfish people anyways.

[John.Tallhouse]

9 hours ago, morgo said:

You people make me glad the Canucks have zero cups.  Adios!

 

The salt levels here are astounding 

[RogersTowell]

On 8/15/2021 at 9:02 PM, VegasCanuck said:

Agreed, this is a 10 year + problem, we will be dealing with vaccination resistant variants before long.

With m-rna technology it's very easy to bring out a new vaccine specific for variants resistant to the original vaccine.  You use a differently coded m-rna strand along with all of the other ingredients.

[CDeM85]

https://t.co/WjEoLV5srN
 

MLSE to require vaccination or proof of negative COVID-19 test.  I’d imagine Canucks will be doing the same.

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, CDeM85 said:

https://t.co/WjEoLV5srN
 

MLSE to require vaccination or proof of negative COVID-19 test.  I’d imagine Canucks will be doing the same.

That's pretty fair

[VegasCanuck]

13 hours ago, RogersTowell said:

With m-rna technology it's very easy to bring out a new vaccine specific for variants resistant to the original vaccine.  You use a differently coded m-rna strand along with all of the other ingredients.

Exactly!

[Me_]

On 8/15/2021 at 10:17 PM, morgo said:

I'm finished with this thread.  Enjoy your authoritarianism .

You people make me glad the Canucks have zero cups.  Adios!

Krakenboy? Is that you?

[MattJVD]

On 8/15/2021 at 7:23 PM, morgo said:

Lets say these numbers are correct.  I don't believe they are but lets just for arguments sake say that only 6,631 died from the vaccine.  It wouldn't matter if there were 5 deaths out of the 351 million, you still don't have the right to force or coerce anyone into getting a medical procedure against their will... Period.  If you think you have that right, you are a delusional authoritarian and a waste of skin.
 

The feeling is 100% mutual.  Enjoy what's coming.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobson_v._Massachusetts

 

Mandatory vaccination is within the power of the state in the US, period. The supreme court ruled on that in 1905.

 

In Canada, it has never been tested if an omni-requirement would stand at the supreme court: but provinces have successfully passed laws to make it a requirement to receive some other services, unless the individual provides a compelling reason for an exemption. And the burden of proof is on the individual. 

 

The first line of the charter says "reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society". Any charter right can be limited for a "good reason". We have already seen multiple Covid restrictions vs religious freedom suits (Public health restrictions banning in-person religious services/ceremonies) and the courts have upheld the restrictions as reasonable. See: https://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/judge-dismisses-gracelife-pastor-s-charter-challenge-of-covid-19-public-health-measures-1.5459335 for an example.

[4petesake]

I can’t say I agree with this. It’s one thing to insist on vaccination or a negative Covid test but totally different and wrong to not refund ticket holders who don’t want to comply.