tas Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, Jester13 said: But wouldn't saying these things lower the value and thus create the need to soften the blow in the first place? no. you're softening the blow of him leaving, not the blow of a weak return. a perceived contender, desperate for a playoff run, that is dealing with injuries at the trade deadline isnt going to risk losing out because they were low balling their offers based on an inconsequential comment from the previous july. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 1 minute ago, aGENT said: @Goal:thecup That sound close to you? Sure sounds like Miller is expecting 8 x 8.5 (close to 70 mil) and we are offering 6 x 7.5 (close to 45 mil). 30 mil apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, Alflives said: Letting the Miller’s camp know that if there is a fair offer for the player JR will move him without warning. No final chance to make a new contract. this is another possibility. letting jt know through the media, without the filter of his agent, that the team won't be coming up to whatever they're asking for. maybe miller starts to feel a little hot around the collar if he legitimately wants to come back as bad as he says. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NHL'er Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 9 minutes ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: What possible reason is there to say this publicly? This could be a thread on its own LOL. But desperate resignation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, tas said: no. you're softening the blow of him leaving, not the blow of a weak return. a perceived contender, desperate for a playoff run, that is dealing with injuries at the trade deadline isnt going to risk losing out because they were low balling their offers based on an inconsequential comment from the previous july. What if we are the team in the playoff hunt? Do we trade Miller then? IMHAO if we are in the playoffs or in a playoff fight we are not trading Miller. So it’s either Miller is traded before the season starts (or very shortly into it) or he walks July 1,2023. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 27 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 20 minutes ago, Coconuts said: Cap space is better spent on players who are actually productive 50% of 10.5M ain't pennies, even at the deadline Involving a 3rd team has typically cost a 4th or 5th round pick. 2.9M in salary, 20% left to be paid at the TDL so roughly 600K - or 150K in salary for an intermediary team. Would be a 2.6M cap hit (25% of 10.5M). If the team has banked cap space would be even less. If a team has 525K banked at the TDL they don't need any prospective cap space to fit him in at 75% retained (assuming the rest of their roster is at 82.5M onwards). 25% of 10.5M (cap hit after retention) x 20% of the season left = 525K which would be fully covered by banked cap space. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 3 minutes ago, tas said: this is another possibility. letting jt know through the media, without the filter of his agent, that the team won't be coming up to whatever they're asking for. maybe miller starts to feel a little hot around the collar if he legitimately wants to come back as bad as he says. If Miller’s wife truly does like raising their girls here, then that’s a serious pressure point on him making a fair deal. Tjere is that new house they are building in Pittsburgh though, while they are only renting here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 2 hours ago, RomanP said: So, is this thread the modern day version of "War and Peace"? Or Tale of Two Cities? It was the best of times, it was the blurst of times..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester13 Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 7 minutes ago, tas said: no. you're softening the blow of him leaving, not the blow of a weak return. a perceived contender, desperate for a playoff run, that is dealing with injuries at the trade deadline isnt going to risk losing out because they were low balling their offers based on an inconsequential comment from the previous july. Brinksmanship when nearing the TDL arguably won't favour us, as GMs know that we don't want to let him walk for nothing, which is exactly what JR has also said publicly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, Alflives said: If Miller’s wife truly does like raising their girls here, then that’s a serious pressure point on him making a fair deal. Tjere is that new house they are building in Pittsburgh though, while they are only renting here. how many players around the league spend offseasons in the same city that they play in? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 Just now, Jester13 said: Brinksmanship when nearing the TDL arguably won't favour us, as GMs know that we don't want to let him walk for nothing, which is exactly what JR has also said publicly. but again, a team passing up a potential stanley cup run is under far more pressure than a team potentially letting a player walk with no return, which happens constantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 (edited) Okay, here, rip this to shreds: Trade: To Vancouver: J Toews 50% retained To Chicago Dickinson 2024 2nd 2025 4th (Conditional on Resigning / effectiveness of Toews) Trade: To Vancouver Severson Mukhamadullin 2023 1st round 2025 3rd round To NJ JT Miller Trade: To Vancouver Shattenkirk To Anaheim Myers 2023 4th round pick from Rangers New 2022 / 23 Lineup Forwards Podkolzin / Pettersson / Boeser Pearson / Horvat / Garland Kuzmenko / Toews / Mikheyev Joshua / Lazar / Hoglander Dowling Defense Hughes / Severson OEL / Shattenkirk Rathbone / Schenn Dermott Goal Demko / Martin LTIR Ferland Poolman (if he's healthy, he competes for a spot on the right side, if he can't out perform the guys who are there, we trade or waive him and send to Abbotsford. Mukhamadullin spends a year in Abbotsford maturing and getting ready to replace Schenn when his contract expires next summer. $2,906,667 in remaining cap space. Okay everyone, rip it apart! Edited July 27, 2022 by VegasCanuck 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester13 Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 Just now, tas said: but again, a team passing up a potential stanley cup run is under far more pressure than a team potentially letting a player walk with no return, which happens constantly. Wouldn't the NYR offer be a good example of the value a contending team would offer, though? And that's with an entire year left; this time he'll be a rental. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TmanVan Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, VegasCanuck said: Okay, here, rip this to shreds: Trade: To Vancouver: J Toews 50% retained To Chicago Dickinson 2024 2nd 2025 4th (Conditional on Resigning / effectiveness of Toews) Trade: To Vancouver Severson Mukhamadullin 2023 1st round 2025 3rd round To NJ TJ Miller Trade: To Vancouver Shattenkirk To Anaheim Myers 2023 4th round pick from Rangers New 2022 / 23 Lineup Forwards Podkolzin / Pettersson / Boeser Pearson / Horvat / Garland Kuzmenko / Toews / Mikheyev Joshua / Lazar / Hoglander Dowling Defense Hughes / Severson OEL / Shattenkirk Rathbone / Schenn Dermott Goal Demko / Martin LTIR Ferland Poolman (if he's healthy, he competes for a spot on the right side, if he can't out perform the guys who are there, we trade or waive him and send to Abbotsford. Mukhamadullin spends a year in Abbotsford maturing and getting ready to replace Schenn when his contract expires next summer. $2,906,667 in remaining cap space. Okay everyone, rip it apart! Damn I didn't know TJ Miller was that valuable in the hockey world. Quite the return for some silicon valley nerd! Edited July 27, 2022 by TmanVan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 Just now, TmanVan said: Damn I didn't know TJ Miller was that valuable in the hockey world. Quite the return for some silicon valley! Might have to lose the 3rd round pick, but is that your only issue what what's being proposed??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Herberts Vasiljevs Posted July 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 27, 2022 5 minutes ago, VegasCanuck said: Okay, here, rip this to shreds: Trade: To Vancouver: J Toews 50% retained To Chicago Dickinson 2024 2nd 2025 4th (Conditional on Resigning / effectiveness of Toews) Trade: To Vancouver Severson Mukhamadullin 2023 1st round 2025 3rd round To NJ TJ Miller Trade: To Vancouver Shattenkirk To Anaheim Myers 2023 4th round pick from Rangers New 2022 / 23 Lineup Forwards Podkolzin / Pettersson / Boeser Pearson / Horvat / Garland Kuzmenko / Toews / Mikheyev Joshua / Lazar / Hoglander Dowling Defense Hughes / Severson OEL / Shattenkirk Rathbone / Schenn Dermott Goal Demko / Martin LTIR Ferland Poolman (if he's healthy, he competes for a spot on the right side, if he can't out perform the guys who are there, we trade or waive him and send to Abbotsford. Mukhamadullin spends a year in Abbotsford maturing and getting ready to replace Schenn when his contract expires next summer. $2,906,667 in remaining cap space. Okay everyone, rip it apart! Just getting the popcorn ready for @King Heffy's Toews post. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TmanVan Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, VegasCanuck said: Might have to lose the 3rd round pick, but is that your only issue what what's being proposed??? I mean... I did't even know he could skate, and hes also 41 years old. But hey, if New Jersey wants him then no issues here! Edited July 27, 2022 by TmanVan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, Herberts Vasiljevs said: Just getting the popcorn ready for @King Heffy's Toews post. hahahahahahahahaha See, I figure this proposal is good for at least 50 pages. What are you doing to push us to 2000? Edited July 27, 2022 by VegasCanuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 5 minutes ago, tas said: how many players around the league spend offseasons in the same city that they play in? It sounds like Miller will extend here but it will take a huge number, because his wife and kids are going to be in their new house (it’s their home) in Pittsburgh. She’s pregnant too. So do we overpay to keep him? Several options: Over pay to keep him Trade him for a return that helps us now (older guys like what Calgary got for Turtle) Trade him for futures and clear his cap Keep him and he walks July 1, 2023. JR said again (today) losing Miller for nothing isn’t a real option. So it’s back to the first three. IMHAO, we should always try to get the best piece (BPA). Which could be a player, prospect, or pick. But get the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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